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iScouser
20-8-10, 15:41
Hi guys, is there any chance to watch www.liverpoolfc.tv/video on Apple's iPad? The issue is that the iPad doesn't support Flash Technology so the only way to watch video on iPad is HTML5 video...

So it would be really good to add HTML5 option to players dropdown in settings:
- Media player
- Real player
- Flash
- HTML5! ))

Thanks in advance!

Joedaley86
20-8-10, 15:46
Hi guys, is there any chance to watch www.liverpoolfc.tv/video on Apple's iPad? The issue is that the iPad doesn't support Flash Technology so the only way to watch video on iPad is HTML5 video...

So it would be really good to add HTML5 option to players dropdown in settings:
- Media player
- Real player
- Flash
- HTML5! ))

Thanks in advance!

Jailbreak it and download thrash.

HeadgarDavids
20-8-10, 16:03
I want the forums available on the PS3

djskuff
20-8-10, 16:05
I'd like this for my iPad too. Thought about jailbreak but I didn't pay £600 to then risk having no warranty. Think I'll jailbreak after it's run out

dookar
20-8-10, 16:05
I want the forums available on the PS3

They are

YoungHOV
20-8-10, 16:07
Jailbreak it and download thrash.

is it possible to watch it on iphone..mine is jailbroken also

HeadgarDavids
20-8-10, 16:07
They are

To be fair I haven't tried but I made a post on one of the other forums on EST and was told, unless PS3 make another version of flash available via an update then it wouldn't be possible

iScouser
20-8-10, 16:07
Jailbreak it and download thrash.

It's already jailbroken... and "Flash" app from Cydia is installed, but it allows just to watch the flash banners, not stream flash video. Is "thrash" is working with flash-video?

dookar
20-8-10, 16:08
To be fair I haven't tried but I made a post on one of the other forums on EST and was told, unless PS3 make another version of flash available via an update then it wouldn't be possible

The forums don't use flash. I can't remember whether I used the PS3 OS or the linux OS to use the forums to be honest, but both should work

mkd
20-8-10, 16:09
I want it on my iPhone too! How about Quicktime links? I don't like the idea of getting my brand new iPhone 4 jailbroken and voiding the warranty.

Matt-CM
20-8-10, 16:10
Hi guys, is there any chance to watch www.liverpoolfc.tv/video on Apple's iPad? The issue is that the iPad doesn't support Flash Technology so the only way to watch video on iPad is HTML5 video...

So it would be really good to add HTML5 option to players dropdown in settings:
- Media player
- Real player
- Flash
- HTML5! ))

Thanks in advance!

Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

dookar
20-8-10, 16:22
Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

Where's the android app?

stevenc
20-8-10, 16:25
Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

:crying

Long wait......! :(

NedKelly21
20-8-10, 16:25
Yes, I too would like to see iPad support!!

HTML5 and/or quicktime options please site admins!!

I'm heading to Indonesian and Malaysia for 4 weeks tomorrow with only an iPad for interweb stuff and I wont be able to use our site (in full) the whole time. :crying

:scarf

mkd
20-8-10, 16:29
Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

Better still, tell Mr. Jobs to stop f'ing about and allow flash integration! Biggest draw back to iPhone/iPad!

KloppOfTheWorld
20-8-10, 16:38
I've been bnging in about this for nearly 2yrs since I got my 1st iPhone.

YouTube, BBC iplayer etc all use QuickTime to wonderfull effect but not LFC.

Mad given the unrivaled popularity of the iPhone and iPad.

I can watch Porn till I go blind but not my beloved LFC. :D

What a topsy turvy world we live in.

NedKelly21
20-8-10, 16:39
Better still, tell Mr. Jobs to stop f'ing about and allow flash integration! Biggest draw back to iPhone/iPad!

yes and no.

Flash is super widespread and does some great stuff. But it's far from perfect as a mobile platform (high battery drain for one), and HTML5 is an open standard....unlike everything else Apple pushes.

You could argue all cases without a winner, but I personally would prefer wide spread open platforms first, for generic tools that run 90% of the world web pages and the like.

omg this is so not the right conversation for the pool boards hehehe :D

Dublinfan
4-1-11, 16:47
Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

Any development with iphone videos been made available.

Matt-CM
4-1-11, 16:51
Any development with iphone videos been made available.

Not that I'm aware of. The colleague who told me about the potential solution is back tomorrow. I don't think when he said after Christmas he was suggesting it would be immediately implemented, but can't hurt to ask!

REDULATE
4-1-11, 16:57
Hope this happens, sick of going off my iPad onto the laptop to watch videos. :(

SixYardBoxer
4-1-11, 17:03
I want an ipad permanently installed in my face so i don't have to hold it. My wife did offer to do it for me over xmas :p

exit59
4-1-11, 19:12
I would also love to be able to stream vids on my iPad.


iPad reds unite!

Lucasherano
4-1-11, 19:19
Is there a way to listen to match commentary on iPhone? Vids would be awesome but the commentary is so basic is surely must be available no?:mad:

Zamarano
4-1-11, 19:58
I've been bnging in about this for nearly 2yrs since I got my 1st iPhone.

YouTube, BBC iplayer etc all use QuickTime to wonderfull effect but not LFC.

Mad given the unrivaled popularity of the iPhone and iPad.

I can watch Porn till I go blind but not my beloved LFC. :D

What a topsy turvy world we live in.

Totally agree. Unfortunately we are always a bit backward with this kind of thing. Surely NESV with their forward thinking should solve these types of issues.

Klopptimist
4-1-11, 21:58
Not that I'm aware of. The colleague who told me about the potential solution is back tomorrow. I don't think when he said after Christmas he was suggesting it would be immediately implemented, but can't hurt to ask!

Ask him for me too ;)

-Pace-
4-1-11, 22:09
I've got thrash but it doesn't work very well at all.

Basically the only flash I've gotten to work is the main news bit on the homepage of the website.

never had any flash videos work properly with thrash.

please make it available to watch via quicktime.. or some other solution :)

Ive Got It All(Most)
4-1-11, 23:07
yes and no.

Flash is super widespread and does some great stuff. But it's far from perfect as a mobile platform (high battery drain for one), and HTML5 is an open standard....unlike everything else Apple pushes.

You could argue all cases without a winner, but I personally would prefer wide spread open platforms first, for generic tools that run 90% of the world web pages and the like.

omg this is so not the right conversation for the pool boards hehehe :D


You're right that Flash can be a bit of a battery drain but that's not really a reason not to support it. Apple could easily sell their products with an option in the settings to turn on Flash.

Open platform is also my preferred route but I also think Flash is quite open in itself. I don't understand where the Flash vs HTML5 comes from they can quite easily both work together in the future. I think it's more like Flash vs The Apple platform. If Apple supports flash they would have less control on what goes on their closed platform.

Saying that i'm surprised this site does not support Quicktime, it's hardly a new format.

runebinder
14-1-11, 11:51
You're right that Flash can be a bit of a battery drain but that's not really a reason not to support it. Apple could easily sell their products with an option in the settings to turn on Flash.

Open platform is also my preferred route but I also think Flash is quite open in itself. I don't understand where the Flash vs HTML5 comes from they can quite easily both work together in the future. I think it's more like Flash vs The Apple platform. If Apple supports flash they would have less control on what goes on their closed platform.

Saying that i'm surprised this site does not support Quicktime, it's hardly a new format.

Think a lot of it comes from the very p*** poor implementation on the Mac, Flash videos can quite often use up to 80% of the CPU on mine, and I've got a i7 MacBook Pro so not exactly an underpowered machine. Can't blame Apple for not wanting it anywhere near their idevices considering Adobe's OS X offering.

mkd
14-1-11, 12:16
Iphone and Ipad should still support flash, there's no acceptable reason why they shouldn't. I love Apple products, but their refusal to add flash support to mobile devices drives me mad!

billboy
14-1-11, 12:19
Apple has a long relationship with Adobe. In fact, we met Adobe’s founders when they were in their proverbial garage. Apple was their first big customer, adopting their Postscript language for our new Laserwriter printer. Apple invested in Adobe and owned around 20% of the company for many years. The two companies worked closely together to pioneer desktop publishing and there were many good times. Since that golden era, the companies have grown apart. Apple went through its near death experience, and Adobe was drawn to the corporate market with their Acrobat products. Today the two companies still work together to serve their joint creative customers – Mac users buy around half of Adobe’s Creative Suite products – but beyond that there are few joint interests.

I wanted to jot down some of our thoughts on Adobe’s Flash products so that customers and critics may better understand why we do not allow Flash on iPhones, iPods and iPads. Adobe has characterized our decision as being primarily business driven – they say we want to protect our App Store – but in reality it is based on technology issues. Adobe claims that we are a closed system, and that Flash is open, but in fact the opposite is true. Let me explain.

1.Open Web

Adobe’s Flash products are 100% proprietary. They are only available from Adobe, and Adobe has sole authority as to their future enhancement, pricing, etc. While Adobe’s Flash products are widely available, this does not mean they are open, since they are controlled entirely by Adobe and available only from Adobe. By almost any definition, Flash is a closed system.

Apple has many proprietary products too. Though the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary, we strongly believe that all standards pertaining to the web should be open. Rather than use Flash, Apple has adopted HTML5, CSS and JavaScript – all open standards. Apple’s mobile devices all ship with high performance, low power implementations of these open standards. HTML5, the new web standard that has been adopted by Apple, Google and many others, lets web developers create advanced graphics, typography, animations and transitions without relying on third party browser plug-ins (like Flash). HTML5 is completely open and controlled by a standards committee, of which Apple is a member.

Apple even creates open standards for the web. For example, Apple began with a small open source project and created WebKit, a complete open-source HTML5 rendering engine that is the heart of the Safari web browser used in all our products. WebKit has been widely adopted. Google uses it for Android’s browser, Palm uses it, Nokia uses it, and RIM (Blackberry) has announced they will use it too. Almost every smartphone web browser other than Microsoft’s uses WebKit.*By making its WebKit technology open, Apple has set the standard for mobile web browsers.

2.Full Web

Adobe has repeatedly said that Apple mobile devices cannot access “the full web” because 75% of video on the web is in Flash. What they don’t say is that almost all this video is also available in a more modern format, H.264, and viewable on iPhones, iPods and iPads. YouTube, with an estimated 40% of the web’s video, shines in an app bundled on all Apple mobile devices, with the iPad offering perhaps the best YouTube discovery and viewing experience ever. Add to this video from Vimeo, Netflix, Facebook, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ESPN, NPR, Time, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Sports Illustrated, People, National Geographic, and many, many others. iPhone, iPod and iPad users aren’t missing much video.

Another Adobe claim is that Apple devices cannot play Flash games. This is true. Fortunately, there are over 50,000 games and entertainment titles on the App Store, and many of them are free. There are more games*and entertainment titles available for iPhone, iPod and iPad than for any other platform in the world.

3.Security

Symantec recently highlighted Flash for having one of the worst security records in 2009. We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash. We have been working with Adobe to fix these problems, but they have persisted for several years now. We don’t want to reduce the reliability and security of our iPhones, iPods and iPads by adding Flash.

In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath. Who knows how it will perform?

4.Battery Life

To achieve long battery life when playing video, mobile devices must decode the video in hardware; decoding it in software uses too much power. Many of the chips used in modern mobile devices contain a decoder called H.264 – an industry standard that is used in every Blu-ray DVD player and has been adopted by Apple, Google (YouTube),*Vimeo, Netflix and many other companies.

Although Flash has recently added support for H.264, the video on almost all Flash websites currently requires an older generation decoder that is not implemented in mobile chips and must be run in software.*The difference is striking:*on an iPhone, for example,*H.264 videos play for up to 10 hours, while videos decoded in software play for less than 5 hours before the battery is fully drained.

When websites re-encode their videos using H.264, they can offer them without using Flash at all. They play perfectly in browsers like Apple’s Safari and Google’s Chrome without any plugins whatsoever, and look great on iPhones, iPods and iPads.

5.Touch

Flash was designed for PCs using mice, not for touch screens using fingers. For example, many Flash websites rely on “rollovers”, which pop up menus or other elements when the mouse arrow hovers over a specific spot. Apple’s revolutionary multi-touch interface doesn’t use a mouse, and there is no concept of a rollover. Most Flash websites will need to be rewritten to support touch-based devices. If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5,*CSS*and JavaScript?

Even if iPhones, iPods and iPads ran Flash, it would not solve the problem that most Flash websites need to be rewritten to support touch-based devices.

6.More Importantly

Besides the fact that Flash is closed and proprietary, has major technical drawbacks, and doesn’t support touch based devices, there is an even more important reason we do not allow Flash on iPhones, iPods and iPads.*We have discussed the downsides of using Flash to play video and interactive content from websites, but Adobe*also wants developers to adopt Flash to create apps that run on our mobile devices.

We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers.

This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms.

Flash is a cross platform development tool. It is not Adobe’s goal to help developers write the best iPhone, iPod and iPad apps. It is their goal to help developers write cross platform apps. And Adobe has been painfully slow to adopt enhancements to Apple’s platforms. For example, although Mac OS X has been shipping for almost 10 years now, Adobe just adopted it fully (Cocoa) two weeks ago when they shipped CS5. Adobe was the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X.

Our motivation is simple – we want to provide the most advanced and innovative platform to our developers, and we want them to stand directly on the shoulders of this platform and create the best apps the world has ever seen. We want to continually enhance the platform so developers can create even more amazing, powerful, fun and useful applications. Everyone wins – we sell more devices because we have the best apps, developers reach a wider and wider audience and customer base, and users are continually delighted by the best and broadest selection of apps on any platform.

Conclusions.

Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice. Flash is a successful business for Adobe, and we can understand why they want to push it beyond PCs. But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short.

The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 250,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.

New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.

sparkycufc
14-1-11, 12:45
Steve Jobs wants the world to change to suit Apple rather than creating Apple products to suit the world.

The question is are enough people using ipads to access this website to make it worthwhile having HTML5, I doubt it.

billboy
14-1-11, 13:23
Steve Jobs wants the world to change to suit Apple rather than creating Apple products to suit the world.

The question is are enough people using ipads to access this website to make it worthwhile having HTML5, I doubt it.

Yup, have to agree with you on this one, but in the meantime, no flash for the ipad.:(

mkd
14-1-11, 13:25
The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 250,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.



Firstly, thanks for posting this, its a very interesting read. Secondly, regarding the highlighted area, Liverpoolfc.tv need re-write the LFCTV Online area so that it can be accessed via Iphone and Ipad! Its so annoying having to get a laptop out to view the content when I've got my Iphone in my pocket!

mkd
14-1-11, 13:26
Steve Jobs wants the world to change to suit Apple rather than creating Apple products to suit the world.

The question is are enough people using ipads to access this website to make it worthwhile having HTML5, I doubt it.

I bet there are enough using iPad and iPhone! And that number will continue to grow!

MatthewQuinn
14-1-11, 13:38
I haven't read most of the above but I get the general feeling. Here is where we are at.

We are working on getting video on iOS (iPod, iPad, Iphone), its not that straight forward though as the Premier League require a level of content protection on all FAPL club websites for video content. On the site this manifests itself as token authentication on the streams so the links are hashed and dead within seconds, then RTMPE protocol which means the sytream rippers dont work. For downloads this is WMDRM.

Currently there is no DRM (digital rights managment) for video on these devices. As such we are looking into using token authentication methods and in the long term true HTTP streaming with AES encryption on the chunked data. This is being researched actively, I have personally overseen the content preparation and delivery section of this to iOS and its looking good. We are now waiting on the content protection part of it to be finished then we will be looking at the presentation element (the web page)

As with all things, this is in a long list of jobs for the technology dept but its something I hope to see soon.

As for Android, it already supports Flash (in v2.2) there is a plan to optimise the presentation for mobile devices after all of the above so we are continuously working on LFCTV Online to make it more accessable for more devices.

I would like to add my views on HTML 5, this is simply a language and not a video format, I dont think that it will revolutionise web video. If anything this is going to create two formats content providers will have to work with, h264 and WebM as google have announced they wont be supporting H264 in HTML5 for Chrome. On top of that there are no content protection mechanisms, live streaming options, DVR, smooth streaming etc. HTML5 video tags will allow simple video for simple websites. For content providers proven and secure technologies such as Flash and Silverlight will remain their chosen method of delivery until the technologies around HTML5 video mature.

As always your feedback is always welcome.

Matthew Quinn
Digital Media Systems Coordinator

mkd
14-1-11, 14:01
I haven't read most of the above but I get the general feeling. Here is where we are at.

We are working on getting video on iOS (iPod, iPad, Iphone), its not that straight forward though as the Premier League require a level of content protection on all FAPL club websites for video content. On the site this manifests itself as token authentication on the streams so the links are hashed and dead within seconds, then RTMPE protocol which means the sytream rippers dont work. For downloads this is WMDRM.

Currently there is no DRM (digital rights managment) for video on these devices. As such we are looking into using token authentication methods and in the long term true HTTP streaming with AES encryption on the chunked data. This is being researched actively, I have personally overseen the content preparation and delivery section of this to iOS and its looking good. We are now waiting on the content protection part of it to be finished then we will be looking at the presentation element (the web page)

As with all things, this is in a long list of jobs for the technology dept but its something I hope to see soon.

As for Android, it already supports Flash (in v2.2) there is a plan to optimise the presentation for mobile devices after all of the above so we are continuously working on LFCTV Online to make it more accessable for more devices.

I would like to add my views on HTML 5, this is simply a language and not a video format, I dont think that it will revolutionise web video. If anything this is going to create two formats content providers will have to work with, h264 and WebM as google have announced they wont be supporting H264 in HTML5 for Chrome. On top of that there are no content protection mechanisms, live streaming options, DVR, smooth streaming etc. HTML5 video tags will allow simple video for simple websites. For content providers proven and secure technologies such as Flash and Silverlight will remain their chosen method of delivery until the technologies around HTML5 video mature.

As always your feedback is always welcome.

Matthew Quinn
Digital Media Systems Coordinator

Thanks for the update Matthew! I just want to bang Apple's, Adobe's and whoever else's out there heads together, it's simply ridiculous that the most advanced portable Apple products cannot run such widely used platform's such as Flash.

MatthewQuinn
14-1-11, 14:22
I agree, if it was all flash my life would be so much easier. My thoughts are that if you put flash on the iDevices then you would crumble the walls of iTunes and content would be available from every where which is where Apple make a large sum of money from, this is apparent with the app store migrating to apples desktop range now.

Actually what will make my life easier is moving from an f4v wrapper on a h264 file to using an mp4 wrapper for h264, this way flash, iOS and HTML5 will be able to play it. This is something Im looking into but it will mean a massive job on our archive. One for the summer I reckon.

Super-Mac-and-Fries
14-1-11, 14:25
I agree, if it was all flash my life would be so much easier. My thoughts are that if you put flash on the iDevices then you would crumble the walls of iTunes and content would be available from every where which is where Apple make a large sum of money from, this is apparent with the app store migrating to apples desktop range now.

Actually what will make my life easier is moving from an f4v wrapper on a h264 file to using an mp4 wrapper for h264, this way flash, iOS and HTML5 will be able to play it. This is something Im looking into but it will mean a massive job on our archive. One for the summer I reckon.

I had an f4v wrapper on a twix once if that helps

MatthewQuinn
14-1-11, 14:26
Not a patch on the old Marathon

NDawg
14-1-11, 14:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9tFj4fQWps

MatthewQuinn
14-1-11, 14:32
Quality

Roshi98
14-1-11, 14:39
is it possible to watch it on iphone..mine is jailbroken also

The fact is that the iPhone and iPad do not natively support Flash and this has been hardcoded into those devices, so it doesn't matter if your device is jailbroken. Apple simply does not want to support Flash because they're making a heavy (and probably wise) bet that HTML5 will supplant Flash as the predominant online media delivery tool in a couple of years.

There is an application called Skyfire which is a combination browser/converter. Basically what it does is convert most embedded Flash objects and converts them to HTML5 objects so video, audio, and animation can be viewed. Downsides are:

1. conversion process eats battery time for lunch - you won't even be able to watch a full match

2. if you have a limited data plan and use this tool three to four times you're going to be paying a lot more in your monthly bill - this app eats bandwidth for dinner

3. not all Flash objects can be converted. I've found that some LFC videos work others don't.

My advice, get a Droid phone that supports Flash and will eventually (when it's finally released world-wide) support HTML5, too.

sparkycufc
14-1-11, 15:04
I bet there are enough using iPad and iPhone! And that number will continue to grow!

I wouldn't have thought that there are enough people using ipad and iphone to view video on this site to justify the time and money it would take to make all the video available for what is still a minority platform.

I have Apple products and love them, however I'm not so enamoured with them to realise that it is Steve Jobs' control freakery that is the issue here rather than everyone else. Apple is a vast corporation that despite Jobs' proclamations to the contrary is not all about open source development, it's about making money pure and simple.

In the end it's always all about the money, and I think it will be a while before there are enough people demanding the video from here be available on ipad to make it financially viable.

Apple's devotees are a very vociferous minority but they are still a minority. Ferraris are prettier (and better) cars than Fords but there are millions more Fords than there are Ferraris, which is why almost any garage will have the equipment to fix a Ford but very few will have the equipment to fix a Ferrari, it's just not economically viable.

If Apple do succeed in their goal of becoming the new Microsoft then every website in the world will cater to what Apple dictates but for now they don't.

Minz
14-1-11, 15:32
I've got Skyfire on my iPhone but it doesn't play the videos from this site. I think it may have something to do with their servers being in the US. they are planning to have servers in UK so videos from UK Sites can be accessed.

Also SKY have managed to design their site very well. I can access their video content very easily from my iPhone and the quality's excellent.

billboy
14-1-11, 17:02
I posted something very similar on Wednesday night when I realized I couldn't listen to the game live on my iPad from the LFC site. Several posts made such recommendations as try the Lancashire BBC website but they use Flash also.Several other well intention suggestions were made but the one that worked was the Talksport app which I downloaded and listened to the whole game.Pity really because I quite like listening to Steve Hunter's commentary on LFCTV.

I tend to agree with Matt about the use of Flash technology, and support comments by other posters in relation to Apple's intentions to dominate the world markets, but only if everyone embraces their technology. To be honest they are all as bad as each other. Remember Microsoft and their bundled Explorer, Adobe and their exclusive PDF format, and of course more recently with Apple and their isystems excluding compatibility with other major manufacturers technology.

It's not right really that so much time ,effort and money is spent by Matt and his team on developing new compatible systems if there is little demand, but an interesting debate nonetheless.;)

#CavaniToLiverpool
14-1-11, 17:14
How about firstly updating the actually LFC app, which in itself is a load of *****, even Leeds' app is better than ours FFS, It will have to include a mobile friendly forum, LFCTV Online subscription to be able to use on iphone (an ipad) also a few liverpool games to buy, maybe create an LFC theme for iphone, if its possible im not sure! also the ability to be able to post comments on stories on the website like the new Eurosport app, and to push my luck get LFCTV to get the rights to every single liverpool game to watch live... i'm sure a lot of us would pay atleast £10 a month for this, saves me paying sky £100 a month to watch coventry vs newcastle, thanks in advance, danny :rolleyes:

MatthewQuinn
14-1-11, 17:21
There is definitely demand. I believe that we will see return on investment when we make content available via iDevices. We have to remember, this isnt a free service, commercial ventures by the club are there to make money to spend on the team and bring success on the pitch.

gerrard08
16-1-11, 00:35
Jailbreak if anything goes wrong just reset apple won't no nowt

Balon D'telli
3-3-11, 15:08
Any further news on this MQ?

serplatypus
4-3-11, 08:51
I've got Skyfire on my iPhone but it doesn't play the videos from this site. I think it may have something to do with their servers being in the US. they are planning to have servers in UK so videos from UK Sites can be accessed.

Also SKY have managed to design their site very well. I can access their video content very easily from my iPhone and the quality's excellent.

I don't know what version of Skyfire you have, but it was recently updated to 3.0, and can play the videos now.

http://www.skyfire.com/

It's not perfect (or free), but I just tried it and it worked on the videos I clicked on.

EDIT: I should say that I tried it on an iPhone 4, not an iPad, but I assume the iPad version would work.

YoungHOV
4-3-11, 11:49
I don't know what version of Skyfire you have, but it was recently updated to 3.0, and can play the videos now.

http://www.skyfire.com/

It's not perfect (or free), but I just tried it and it worked on the videos I clicked on.

EDIT: I should say that I tried it on an iPhone 4, not an iPad, but I assume the iPad version would work.

Before buying this app can you confirm it works on our website to watch videos ?

Listee
4-3-11, 15:11
Not at present but we do have plans for a solution which could deliver our videos to Ipad/phone/touch. The technology which could allow this to happen won't be available till after Christmas...

Any news on the flash substitute for iphone?

ssscorchio
4-3-11, 15:30
I advise you all to get the app Splashtop.

You have to leave your pc on and need a wifi connection for it to work, but it does the job really well. It's surprisingly easy to use and you can do everything you can whilst sitting at your pc. I just bought it last week and it does exactly what it says on the tin.

Minz
4-3-11, 15:38
Before buying this app can you confirm it works on our website to watch videos ?

I've just been on our site to watch the west ham and Sparta highlights and it does work on skyfire (even on a 3G connection). Quality is Pretty good on my iphone4

danm77
4-3-11, 15:46
Just to add to what others have posted about the Skyfire web browser you can get from the app store - until recently, it wouldn't play videos from LFC TV. However, a couple of days ago Skyfire issued an update to the browser which now allows many, many more flash videos across the web from a lot more sites to be viewable, and that now includes LFCTV vids.

So anyone with an iphone/ipad that wants to watch lfctv vids, i highly recommend getting the skyfire browser.

Matt-CM
4-3-11, 16:02
Just to add to what others have posted about the Skyfire web browser you can get from the app store - until recently, it wouldn't play videos from LFC TV. However, a couple of days ago Skyfire issued an update to the browser which now allows many, many more flash videos across the web from a lot more sites to be viewable, and that now includes LFCTV vids.

So anyone with an iphone/ipad that wants to watch lfctv vids, i highly recommend getting the skyfire browser.

I've told MatthewQuinn about Skyfire and he's started muttering about depacketising and h264 etc. Not sure what this means, hope he's not about to go postal!

LLS
4-3-11, 16:09
The fact is that the iPhone and iPad do not natively support Flash and this has been hardcoded into those devices, so it doesn't matter if your device is jailbroken. Apple simply does not want to support Flash because they're making a heavy (and probably wise) bet that HTML5 will supplant Flash as the predominant online media delivery tool in a couple of years.

There is an application called Skyfire which is a combination browser/converter. Basically what it does is convert most embedded Flash objects and converts them to HTML5 objects so video, audio, and animation can be viewed. Downsides are:

1. conversion process eats battery time for lunch - you won't even be able to watch a full match

2. if you have a limited data plan and use this tool three to four times you're going to be paying a lot more in your monthly bill - this app eats bandwidth for dinner

3. not all Flash objects can be converted. I've found that some LFC videos work others don't.

My advice, get a Droid phone that supports Flash and will eventually (when it's finally released world-wide) support HTML5, too.


Just to add to what others have posted about the Skyfire web browser you can get from the app store - until recently, it wouldn't play videos from LFC TV. However, a couple of days ago Skyfire issued an update to the browser which now allows many, many more flash videos across the web from a lot more sites to be viewable, and that now includes LFCTV vids.

So anyone with an iphone/ipad that wants to watch lfctv vids, i highly recommend getting the skyfire browser.

Can you explain the above post's first 2 points please? Its putting me off getting the app!

danm77
4-3-11, 16:23
Can you explain the above post's first 2 points please? Its putting me off getting the app!

The browser converts flash videos to the HTML5 format on the fly, using Skyfire's own servers. This conversion process usually doesnt take more than 10 seconds or so before the video starts playing, but the conversion process will obviously use up some of your data allowance (unless you have unlimited data), so you may want to go easy on it if youre watching vids over 3g. Obviously this is irrelevant if youre watching it over wi-fi.

As far as the battery issue, if youre going to watch 2 hours of straight video on an iphone then obviously it's going to run down your battery somewhat.

I'd still get the app though. Just use it wisely if you have data and battery concerns!

LLS
4-3-11, 16:29
The browser converts flash videos to the HTML5 format on the fly, using Skyfire's own servers. This conversion process usually doesnt take more than 10 seconds or so before the video starts playing, but the conversion process will obviously use up some of your data allowance (unless you have unlimited data), so you may want to go easy on it if youre watching vids over 3g. Obviously this is irrelevant if youre watching it over wi-fi.

As far as the battery issue, if youre going to watch 2 hours of straight video on an iphone then obviously it's going to run down your battery somewhat.

I'd still get the app though. Just use it wisely if you have data and battery concerns!

Cheers! :D

NorthernCarollina
4-3-11, 18:58
The browser converts flash videos to the HTML5 format on the fly, using Skyfire's own servers. This conversion process usually doesnt take more than 10 seconds or so before the video starts playing, but the conversion process will obviously use up some of your data allowance (unless you have unlimited data), so you may want to go easy on it if youre watching vids over 3g. Obviously this is irrelevant if youre watching it over wi-fi.

As far as the battery issue, if youre going to watch 2 hours of straight video on an iphone then obviously it's going to run down your battery somewhat.

I'd still get the app though. Just use it wisely if you have data and battery concerns!

I would second this, Skyfire is a great web browser. I used it with my old Satio. :scarf

By-Lallanas-Beard
4-3-11, 20:58
RIM's playbook will own the ipad. AAnd yes it will have flash.

paulodelgado
25-3-11, 18:32
my iPad has now become my "around the house" computer. My laptop is for work only... I can't wait for iPad/iPhone-compatible LFC.tv website!

Super-Mac-and-Fries
25-3-11, 18:54
my iPad has now become my "around the house" computer. My laptop is for work only... I can't wait for iPad/iPhone-compatible LFC.tv website!

You can..........and you will my friend, believe me.

slimman
25-3-11, 18:58
my iPad has now become my "around the house" computer. My laptop is for work only... I can't wait for iPad/iPhone-compatible LFC.tv website!

True but in the meantime, Skyfire is very good.

koptonite
25-3-11, 19:44
Are the vids even in flash format? Always protected WMVs then I download them....

Anyway there is a separate forum for website feedback here (http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/forumdisplay.php?f=4).



The Feedback Board is here to allow users to ask questions, not just about the forums but also the entire Liverpoolfc.tv website.

We try to answer questions as promptly as possible but when asking a question please be patient as it may take some time before we can address your issue.

We encourage all users to read through the Forum FAQ before posting a question as they may find the answer to their question in there.

If you'd prefer to contact me directly simply use the 'Contact Us' button at the bottom of this page and select 'Site Feedback' I'll receive your email and will do my best to answer promptly. Although again, as I receive a great number of emails please be patient.

Finally, whilst we're happy to host the occasional debate in this board the purpose of this area of the site is the exchange of information between users and admin. It is not a discussion board. When users intervene in others threads it can make the task of admin in answering the original question far more difficult. If you wish to debate aspects of the board or the site please use the Off Topic boards.

I think they do normally reply to questions eventually.

LFC_Indy
28-8-12, 13:40
Flash is no longer supported on Android tablets and phones as of August 14th 2012. Is there any news on LFC TV moving away from flash totally so that the video content can be played on those android devices that can no longer download flash.

Seanosdelgardo
28-8-12, 13:56
How has this not been shifted in website feedback yet?

artmanLeo
28-8-12, 15:02
I have just been watching LFCTV live stream on the website using Skyfire. There is no problem watching live streaming now. This is on my original ipad as well. Any problems now using Skyfire are down to the usual server overloads that have plagued this paying service every time they show a live match.

Edgie10
28-8-12, 15:09
Hi guys, is there any chance to watch www.liverpoolfc.tv/video on Apple's iPad? The issue is that the iPad doesn't support Flash Technology so the only way to watch video on iPad is HTML5 video...

So it would be really good to add HTML5 option to players dropdown in settings:
- Media player
- Real player
- Flash
- HTML5! ))

Thanks in advance!

I watch LFC TV and all the clips etc.. On my iPad - 2 with no problem at all. I sometimes can't view YouTube clips as flash player is not supported by iPad, but I have no problem with LFC TV or clips on the site. I'm not particularly PC literate, so I'm sure I've not done anything smart with my iPad. I'm 51 and struggle with new technology, but I love my iPad

Matt-CM
28-8-12, 15:14
I have just been watching LFCTV live stream on the website using Skyfire. There is no problem watching live streaming now. This is on my original ipad as well. Any problems now using Skyfire are down to the usual server overloads that have plagued this paying service every time they show a live match.

You shouldn't need Skyfire for LFCTV Online any more.

Sunraged
28-8-12, 15:38
Hi guys, is there any chance to watch www.liverpoolfc.tv/video on Apple's iPad? The issue is that the iPad doesn't support Flash Technology so the only way to watch video on iPad is HTML5 video...

So it would be really good to add HTML5 option to players dropdown in settings:
- Media player
- Real player
- Flash
- HTML5! ))

Thanks in advance!

This would be good.

I use my iPad more than I use my wife these days.

ssscorchio
28-8-12, 16:52
This was all switched over last year wasnt it....

Have they managed to sort out ALL the archive footage yet?

kenyanstar
28-8-12, 16:59
Yes, no problems with streaming LFC video on iPod/iPhone etc. But.... we need the archive footage ASAP!

RandyTHEnatural
28-8-12, 17:11
Better still, tell Mr. Jobs to stop f'ing about and allow flash integration! Biggest draw back to iPhone/iPad!



steve jobs died last year mate, so if your waiting on him - good luck!

GoodKopBadKop07
28-8-12, 17:20
Download iswifter app it supports flash - open browser and enjoy flash content

supers1zeme
28-8-12, 17:25
skyfire works for me
Streamed the euro games on it from the lfc tv site with ease

kingnene
28-8-12, 17:27
I am watching LFC.tv from my ipad

tracetherain
28-8-12, 23:40
Posted 20-8-10


Better still, tell Mr. Jobs to stop f'ing about and allow flash integration! Biggest draw back to iPhone/iPad!

Responded to TODAY at 17:11


steve jobs died last year mate, so if your waiting on him - good luck!

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