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Coach791
18-2-11, 14:21
For a long time youth development has been misunderstood. Clubs have spent millions on academies, facilities and waited for the next crop of youngsters to come through but without success. Why? After millions of pounds of investment the best facilities why does so little talent come through?

The answer is simple. Money and investment don’t make footballers. Maradona and Pele didn’t cultivate their skills in the gym or with heart monitors, with dietary information and sports psychology.

Brazil and Argentina have some of the worst conditions, economically and socially yet produce talent consistently. You can see by the grounds in Italy how little money is in their game yet two world cup finals in last 20 years?

What is the secret to producing good talent is a little more complex. Many conditions have to be right, it’s not luck it’s cultivation. Are we to believe Barca just gets lucky and the world’s best players just happen to be born in Catalonia? Or are they doing something others are not?

What you will read next isn’t my idea, I didn’t think it up but a do believe in it. When you hear about getting the conditions right for young players to develop there is a definite formula that is common through ALL the successful youth academies throughout football history.

Rule 1

First of all from a young age you play attacking possession football based solely around technique and ability to think and play intelligently and there are reasons why

First of all the more possession you have the more comfortable you become on the ball. Secondly you are actually training more with the ball if your side gets beat at youth level but you have 60% of the possession every game, your players will develop technically as they are practising with the ball 20% more than opponents every game.

Maybe over 1 game you don’t see the influence but over 6-7 years it would become clear

“At Barca the philosophy from a young age was not to win it was to develop and educate, we were taught possession of the ball was everything’

Xavi

The added benefit of this is kids play more football because it’s more enjoyable to play possession football and attack; they train harder because they enjoy it.


Rule 2

Judge players solely on technical ability. You have no idea how a player will physically develop from 8-19 years old. Again Barcelona says they judge only on ability, why? A player’s ability level is the only thing he can control.

He can’t control his physique, from 8-15 years old kids are not developed enough to learn about psychology and mentality so the only think they can control is their technical ability. At Barcelona absolutely no physical work in terms of fitness is done until 16 years old.

The reasoning, most young players who play a lot of football cover more ground during training and a game than in any running exercises. It’s basically pointless.

Secondly time, why would they spend 20 minutes running each session when they have maybe 2 2 hour sessions per week? 40 minutes per week is wasted running. Over years 8-16 that’s 3,333 hours (including recovery time) lost them could have used improving technique.

The next factor is kids can run by themselves why employ highly skilled coaches not to coach? Barcelona only do a little sprint work and always with the ball. The philosophy is if you want to run fast without ball be a sprinter not a footballer.

The added advantage of taking physical attributes out of the process and basing solely on game intelligence and technique is you reduce the barriers preventing footballers progressing. Too small, too weak etc look at Xavi, Iniesta and Messi hardly powerhouses.

The added bonus of that is you build belief in the kids, there is nothing stopping them playing for Barcelona IF they have the right technique. Most kids don’t work hard not because lazy, it’s mostly because of a lack of belief. You remove that by giving them the opportunity to achieve their dream basing it on the one thing they can control and work at their ability.


Rule 3

Having covered how to remove barriers, increasing time spent on technique and removing pointless running exercises (studies show after running concentration drops due to fatigue and impact of technical exercises lessen) and always using the ball, playing possession football etc…….and that all sounds great there are further more complicated barriers needed to be addressed.

Now rule 3 ALWAYS promote players to your first team squad. Now if the first two rules are followed you should have some youngsters with talent. Now they hit 14-17, teenagers and one of the most common traits in a teenager is self doubt.

This is where psychology starts to work. They question, naturally if they can make it. Some are naturally confident and believe most don’t so what can you do to make them believe? You’ve removed all barriers apart from how much ability they have but what else can you do?

Show them players being promoted. Every season Barcelona promotes 2 players to first team squad. This isn’t only to give the players a chance it is also to give younger players the belief! They see players they saw in youth academy now with first team.

Nothing can make a player believe more than seeing. It’s why Wenger is reluctant to buy big, he always promotes. He works to create a philosophy, a system to allow players at all levels in the club to believe and grow.

Are we to believe he has magic scouts? Or more likely does he know how to develop them. A player works harder to achieve when he believes, it’s a well known fact. If you don’t see any players getting a chance, you wonder if you ever will no matter how hard you work.

Rule 4

These is a spiky one for debate but bear with me and keep reading. The first team (Yeah the FIRST Team) MUST play attacking possession football. Why? 2 reasons, 1 that’s why the youth players have been used to, how they have been playing for the past 6-8 years (that’s why took Wenger so long to show fruits of his system) and they will fit in more easily.

Secondly and more importantly, attacking possession football relies upon technique and sometimes speed, of though and in legs. Most players at 17,18,19 etc can have good technique and be quick so they would fit in a lot easier.

If you play negative, physical football, all about shape, concentration, strength and mentality etc………(like under Roy) it’s very hard for a young player to have these skills at that age. They won’t usually be powerful as a teen, they won’t have that dogged determined mentality, none do at this age.

A case in principle is Fabregas and Wiltshire. Under a system relying on defensive options and formations getting men behind the ball, neither would have been strong enough to play central midfield at 18. Yet at Arsenal they became mainstays, midfield schemers.

Could you imagine Rafa, Houllier or Roy playing these kids centre mid yet they are challenging for title and Champions League at Arsenal. Look at the players up against Xavi and Inietsa, similar players.

In fact think of all the great academies, Arsenal, Barcelona even going back to Ajax and United every side played open attacking, technical football.

Our last player of note to come through was Owen and Gerrard. They developed under a style of football when Liverpool was at their best. They were 12,13 watching the first team play great football, they looked up to Fowler and McManaman and seen them come through.

Houllier came, changed our technical style. Gerrard and Owen were already finished in development and ready for first team. Since then nothing until now………………

Our youth team looks superb Coady, Suso, Sterling and Wisdom right? None of them are local, and in the most important years of development 8-12 only Coady was at Anfield. Wisdom was at Bradford, sterling QPR and obviously Suso in Spain.

We signed these players so it’s no sign that we are getting our development right. We are, for sure but this current side and their stars isn’t a sign of this.

The best thing Rafa did was bring in Rodolfo and the next best thing he did was go. Young players would have been crushed by Rafa because of lack of opportunities. He brought in the Barca coaches with their philosophy but he didn’t provide the opportunity for players to progress.

He didn’t have rules 3 and 4 in place. Now Kelly had a game under Rafa and every rule has an exception, he’s not technically gifted a natural defender, strong quick and physical a natural defender.

Now because growing your own players starts at 8 years old the academy have done the exact right thing, they bought in players with talent now and paid decent money for them.

Not only have they brought in talent at a very young age who may provide bargains in future what it has done is allowed even younger players to see their progress.

Under Kenny Coady in squad, Sterling been taken on European trip whilst still in school. Suso promoted. Not only does it benefit these players to train at a higher level with senior pro’s it inspires those 8-10 years old thinking that could be me.

With our first team playing a more technical game based on possession, rules 1,2,3 and 4 for the first time in 2 decades are all in place and that’s why we WILL see over next 10 years players make it to the first team and the next batch will probably all be local or been schooled at Liverpool from a young age .

The future’s bright…………………………

rex-hunt
18-2-11, 14:36
The bottom line is that results - that is, 'scorelines' - are essentially irrelevant at youth level. For far to long we've picked boys the size of men at various youth levels and they've bullied their way to various victories, and in doing so they've led us to believe we were on the right track. A very simple, yet fundamental shift of ideas and ideals is needed for us to begin to consistently create players who are capable of excelling in the modern game.

We can't really imitate the approach of South Americans for whom football is very often their ticket out of poverty or crime, but we can certainly look towards Spain and even France.

tetrisbrokeme
18-2-11, 14:40
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TheVikingMushroom
18-2-11, 14:46
Fantastic piece mate and rep on the way. Some very interesting points in there and it really does make sense

sushantss
18-2-11, 14:54
Fantastic piece mate and rep on the way. Some very interesting points in there and it really does make sense

This

Liv-4-Ever
18-2-11, 17:08
Good post +

-FordCoutinho-
18-2-11, 18:26
maybe its the drinking culture over here i mean we all played football in our teens untill we start working then its all about hitting the town and if you dont get into youth football and have trials then your not really going to do it when your older

Panic-Button
18-2-11, 18:32
Great post repped

YoungLFCFanatic
18-2-11, 18:37
Brazil is a nation growing economically at a ridiculous pace so:

Brazil and Argentina have some of the worst conditions, economically and socially yet produce talent consistently. You can see by the grounds in Italy how little money is in their game yet two world cup finals in last 20 years?
I don't agree with you there. Also there's a lot of money in the Italian game. In my opinion football is to competative in the UK, and loosing is not an option. In other countries they concentrate on technical ability as well as discipline.

ThePoorScouserTommy
18-2-11, 18:45
Coach, I didn't think we were allowed to make threads without mentioning Torres, Lucas or Poulsen anymore...:IN:

Anyway, great thread and repped. I coach U6 and U8 boys teams and have done for the last 5 seasons (since my oldest son was playing at U6). From the get go we have preached fun and ball control. At the U6 level we only play 3 on 3 games which gets the kids loads of time on the ball and the chance to run with it. Technique, technique, technique.

Great thread. Thanks for posting.

Ephemer
18-2-11, 18:45
Good read with arguments..have some green

Rixsta
18-2-11, 20:12
Very good post.

Repped.

Heraclius
18-2-11, 20:39
good post, but the bottom line is in England we will not produce a team able to go all the way and win anything because:

1. we're too focused on winning and if we don't we change the system and never reap any benefits.
2. we're too concerned with winning: you can only build to challenge for things. You need luck too. In league football once one thing is one it breeds confidence and that brings in more success, easier. In international football that's harder to replicate because of how far apart games and tournaments are.
3. Our football and social culture is one of collective mediocrity. Seeing foreigners play flash: well we accept that because we just see them as ******s. But we'd never stand for anyone being 'too good'. Oh no couldn't have that! Our coaches drive skill out of players and brand skilful players lazy. We breed defenders who attack, and strikers who are inoculated with an instinct for defending in their own half.
4. The FA is the problem not the solution. Rather reminiscent of Ragan's speech that government is the problem and not the solution. This angle may become more poignant as Parliament investigates how football is run with obvious ramifications. The FA destroyed football with that mad dog Charlie Hughes. Oh the crime that we think his long ball drivel is 'British Football' and that real football of Charlie Miller and Jack Reynolds was driven from these shores. Left to Paisley, Cloughie, John Lyal, Rednapp to fight for the cause.
5. Our players yes do too much physical and it is up to the players to look after themselves if they are ambitious enough. But we have techically decent players. They just don't have any tactical or strategic awareness. We pick as suggested in the article, bullies. People who are strong at an early age but we don't pick thinking players. The keepy up test is a waste of time. Get them playing a game and look at the youngsters movement in each position, then judge if they can play. Ignore the tricks, flicks and sprints: they may have it all because they have an unfair advantage like a parent footballer to coach them.
6. don't judge a system soley by results. Spain won their first competition in a big way because they had a great coach in Aragonnes. And the second V-D-Bosque, not bad either. Spain have had promising youngsters for the past 20-30 yrs and done nothing. Argentina promised yet more and not much for the past 20 since Maradona retired. And where were France after Zidane retired. Did nothing in 2010. Don't be fooled by sports scientists wanting to take the credit for all, claiming they 'engineer players'. You still need natural talent whatever the system. Most coaches have a destructive role and their egos lead them to crush players. More so in UK with our SYSTEM of mediocrity. Youth systems are ruthless and more often than not it is the player who needs the strength to get through it all. No club develops a player. If they are not good enough, they are never mentored. Only got rid of. Of course the club takes all the credit when a player comes good saying they were nurtured. "of course!" Note Barca setting up relationships with UK schools in London trying to FIND TALENT. ie THEY DON'T DEVELOP. And big clubs bully small ones into giving up their players eg. Manure on City to give up R-Giggs, Manure on Arsenal to give up Beckham etc.

Solutions: mainly to get the 18-24 development right. Our players have enough technical skill but lack a bit in the tactical department. Choosing tactical players at youth would help, but they often need more teaching on technique. But also give players a chance and allow them to train with the seniors and give them chances to play. ie- what Kenny is doing now. Don't over-rely on the SS. They have a value, but on fitness and such things. On player development tactics they just keep taking the credit for things they have nothing to do with. ie. Other peoples ideas and natural talent. Let's keep it all in perspective :IN:

BVA
18-2-11, 21:14
A long post I don't regret reading thanks,

Steplark
19-2-11, 01:45
There are some good points but I dont agree at all with point 2. Sure technical ability is essential but there are many great players around who would not be classed as very good technically. Carragher for example. Players should be judged on a number of criteria technique , game intelligence (Which is alluded to once in your post ) , work rate and although you dont agree Physical attributes ( Although to a lesser extent ) If you have a striker who is great technically or a striker who is not as good technically but knows where to run and when , works harder and is bigger and stronger , bear in mind pace for example is a physical attribute and not a technical one. Which player would you prefer to have in your team?

I know you are talking about the youngest level of the game but , some players may actually be neglected due to a lesser technical ability but they may have the potential to be an intelligent player , or a big guy with not as good technique , may be let go too early.

Coach791
19-2-11, 10:23
There are some good points but I dont agree at all with point 2. Sure technical ability is essential but there are many great players around who would not be classed as very good technically. Carragher for example. Players should be judged on a number of criteria technique , game intelligence (Which is alluded to once in your post ) , work rate and although you dont agree Physical attributes ( Although to a lesser extent ) If you have a striker who is great technically or a striker who is not as good technically but knows where to run and when , works harder and is bigger and stronger , bear in mind pace for example is a physical attribute and not a technical one. Which player would you prefer to have in your team?

I know you are talking about the youngest level of the game but , some players may actually be neglected due to a lesser technical ability but they may have the potential to be an intelligent player , or a big guy with not as good technique , may be let go too early.

I see your point but Carra is exactly the point I am making. He's a natural defender, his personality is in built, determined, a winner, great character and a leader.

All those traits are personality traits, one of the criticisms labelled at Carragher is his poor distrubution and technical ability.

He has never had great pace or physical strength, his attributes were ability to read the game, positioning, determination all thinsg you can't teach. He's natural in the way he thinks as a defender.

With better schooling the areas he lacked in he may well have become a much more complete player if he had a higher technical level to go with his mental attributes

Coach791
19-2-11, 10:34
There are some good points but I dont agree at all with point 2. Sure technical ability is essential but there are many great players around who would not be classed as very good technically. Carragher for example. Players should be judged on a number of criteria technique , game intelligence (Which is alluded to once in your post ) , work rate and although you dont agree Physical attributes ( Although to a lesser extent ) If you have a striker who is great technically or a striker who is not as good technically but knows where to run and when , works harder and is bigger and stronger , bear in mind pace for example is a physical attribute and not a technical one. Which player would you prefer to have in your team?

I know you are talking about the youngest level of the game but , some players may actually be neglected due to a lesser technical ability but they may have the potential to be an intelligent player , or a big guy with not as good technique , may be let go too early.

I'd happily let a big guy with no technique go. If you get a tall, fast, strong kid at 8 years old and teach technical play and by 12 he still hasn't got technical ability, his height, strength etc....will be of little use.

The game is faster now but its also more technical. The days of having a player who is just fast or quick and strong with little technique are gone. Also if you're a intelligent player but with little technique again that's not good enough for Liverpool.

As i said all the best academies Arsenal, Ajax, Barcelona, Man Utd's of previous years and Liverpool's all produced technically gifted players. Messi, Xabi, Iniesta, Pedro, Bojan, Wiltshire, Cole, Davids, Rijkaard, Seedorf, Kluivert, Van der Vaart, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Gerrard, Fowler, McManaman just have a little look at the list of top prodcuts from those academies and think which are just big and strong, or just intelligent?


Look at the England crop now Johnson, Wiltshire, Rodwell, Milner, Lennon, Rooney, Young, Chamberlain all are technical we're starting to catch up with Europe now. Wiltshire v Barcelona was outstanding a better touch than any England midfielder for 20 years.

The days of big, quick athletes are gone even Micah Richards who has all the physical attributes you could wish for beats people going forward, has the ability to dribble.

Why just allow a player to think big and strong or just intelligent is ok? Its not if they can't couple their physical attributes with technical, they're not footballers.

Spain world chapimions (every player technical), Inter Milan (Milito, Eto, Sniejer etc technically gifted) Lille topping French League (Sow, Hazard, Gervinho technical players) Milan topping Serie A (Robinho, Ibrahimovic, Cassano, Pato, Pirlo full of technique, Barcelona, United, Arsenal all at the top of the tables around Europe and packed full of technical players

Coach791
19-2-11, 10:40
maybe its the drinking culture over here i mean we all played football in our teens untill we start working then its all about hitting the town and if you dont get into youth football and have trials then your not really going to do it when your older

The drinking culture isn't to blame, maybe there are some social issues but the most productive development technically in a footballer is in the ages between 8-12.

Our kids aged 8 are still running round pressing crunching into tackles. A winning mentality, hard work and discipline etc......that should be at a later age when at 16,17,18 players see the benefits of this but already have their skills in place.

Quite simply an 8 year old shouldn't even worry about winning their mind isn't able to understand mental strength etc.......

8-12 i'd certainly hope there was no drinking culture. Our problem is we try and teach 14-17 year olds to improve their first touch, when at 14 in Spain their touch is perfect or near on the top playesr and at 14 they are learning about game intellligence, looking around and seeing teh picture before receiving the ball.

They can do this as they have no worried about their first touch. Teaching kids anything except skills and technique up until age of 12 is pointless

Heraclius
19-2-11, 11:23
Carlos Puyol - not technically good
Kluivert - not technically good
Gattuso - not technically good
Van Bommel - not technically good
Kuyt - not technically good
David Silva - overrated

**many of our players are better than people realise and we have been getting better in the UK. But we do need to change our football culture as all our players start at the grass roots and the top clubs for all their talk of player development and this includes the SS, simply work with what their given and thrash out those that don't meet standards and simply apply a process of sink or swim to youth development. The SS are lazy by nature. As far as nature or nurture is concerned, the parents play the most important role in nurture. Note how Dean Widnass got his kid into an academy. Is he really gifted? Or is he getting the best coaching that a young kid can get: from their dad???

Heraclius
19-2-11, 11:27
for all the talk of foreigners technical gifts, we see precious little of it in a 'pool shirt. It's left to cara and Stevie G to show em how it's done.

grudge
19-2-11, 12:04
I'm one of the biggest fans of youth development but there is so much pressure for instant success, that you often see clubs wasting money on players that are no better than what they already have in the youth set up, especially the bigger clubs who can afford to do it.
The only club who resists this type of thinking is Arsenal who get criticized for not spending big and believing in their youth,even now I hear some of our fans saying we need to buy a new centre back because Skrtel has been poor this season, even though we have Wilson and Ayala waiting in the wings.

My point is we don't look hard enough at what we have already and don't show enough patience to the youth players who do get a chance because too many fans want that instant success, they just can't see the wood from the trees.

It's all well and good speaking of the virtues of youth development but more of us need to actually believe in it

Sojik
19-2-11, 12:33
Excellent Thread Coach and a brilliant analysis of the issues facing youth development today. I work daily as a Development Manager for Rugby, and part and parcel of the job comes with identifying key attributes like technical standards.

Sadly for rugby though, size and power are winning the battle for demand and I see academies letting go of many technically gifted players due their lack of physical presence. This filters all the way up to international level where players like Shane Geraghty whom many considered to be the best technical and intelligent play maker of his generation has failed to make it regularly into the international set up due to his preceive lack of physical size.

Still made it too the top and is an integral part of the Saints side.

Unlike Football though rugby is what's considered to be a late specialisation sport. You bang on with the most formulative years in a childs development for football are 8-12, it's the same for most sports as that's the age when a kids brain is like a sponge and soaks pretty much everything up. So focus on key technical skills and repetition of them during that period, are key to any players development.

Once that period is over and the players have developed the necessary technical skills then you can switch your focus to game intelligent and management skills, team co-ordination whilst maintaining the standards of technical training.

In the Academy's I oversea and manage I abolished keeping score for the u9-u13 age groups, as the focus had to be purely on the performance and the kids developing the key technical skills relevant to their stage of development. Handling, vision, safety in the contact area etc. The biggest opposition to this was not the coaching staff but the parents! The effects though have born fruit, now just 18 months after introducing the system, each tournament our kids enter they usually make it to the final and always have a smile on their face all the time, and most importantly they play good rugby.

It's not until they're u15+ we start keeping track of the scores and by the time they're leaving the academy system at u19 they're competative players with the firm technical foundation. With the focus on performance and playing the right way and not the results we've been able to turn things around reasonably quickly and standards have improved beyond our original expectations.

Heraclius
19-2-11, 15:13
Years ago I tried to be player-coach and was coaching younger players to adopt a passing approach and emphasised technical skills over everything else. I used to play people every 2 weeks, have a large squad and rotate people so that I got to do intensive technical work every two weeks and some physical work.

My god the reaction of the parents who objected to my 'foreign football' and 'clever rubbish'. 'No what you do is lump the ball upto the big man, knock down and wallop into the net'. And try giving diet guidance and they turn round and say 'chips are easy. You try being a parent and cooking good food' Where is the love I think to myself and a lot of things are healthy and don't need any time eg. pasta, eg salad, eg cous-cous and so on. The other thing is every parent thinks that it's all about one player and that their player is the star that everyone should be giving the ball to. Sorry but I don't care who the best player is but every player has to contribute and the lesser players may or may not be slower developers. But they are never going to improve if they are not given the ball. And there should be no pecking order. My attitude was always 'There's only one number one, and that's ME'

Heraclius
19-2-11, 15:14
Years ago I tried to be player-coach and was coaching younger players to adopt a passing approach and emphasised technical skills over everything else. I used to play people every 2 weeks, have a large squad and rotate people so that I got to do intensive technical work every two weeks and some physical work.

My god the reaction of the parents who objected to my 'foreign football' and 'clever rubbish'. 'No what you do is lump the ball upto the big man, knock down and wallop into the net'. And try giving diet guidance and they turn round and say 'chips are easy. You try being a parent and cooking good food' Where is the love I think to myself and a lot of things are healthy and don't need any time eg. pasta, eg salad, eg cous-cous and so on. The other thing is every parent thinks that it's all about one player and that their player is the star that everyone should be giving the ball to. Sorry but I don't care who the best player is but every player has to contribute and the lesser players may or may not be slower developers. But they are never going to improve if they are not given the ball. And there should be no pecking order. My attitude was always 'There's only one number one, and that's ME'

Not surprising their attitude then was it.

MachineGoal
19-2-11, 16:49
I think English football went through a period where they valued physical attributes and pace more than anything else. But game's changing again where emphasis is being put on technic and footballing intelligence.

grudge
19-2-11, 16:58
I think English football went through a period where they valued physical attributes and pace more than anything else. But game's changing again where emphasis is being put on technic and footballing intelligence.

It's no coincidence that this happened in the period when English clubs were banished from European competitions for five years,hoof football became prevalent during this period also.

RedFirefly
21-2-11, 21:26
OP, great post! repped!

Kenny86
21-2-11, 21:43
Thats fantastic that! Well done. I didn't know what rep was but I've found out repped.

spyderbird
22-2-11, 13:26
Great post. A really interesting read.

We did some investigations at my work into player attributes and we boiled it down to one thing - 'decision making'. We realised that if you have this one attribute in abundance, then usually, the rest will simply follow.

Everything a player does on the pitch can be linked to good or bad decision making - that works from U7's right up to players in the world cup.

I also believe in a winning mentality. I'm a manager of my sons U8 team and many of them aren't technically gifted and several of them aren't even half decent footballers. But the one thing that they all understand is 'winning' and they are beginning to understand that hard work often leads to winning.

I've also worked hard in trying to get them to overcome their fears - not just fear of losing, but more importantly - fear of other players! I ask them where fear exists every Sunday and I get the same reply now as 9 kids point to their heads. It's a great feeling when they 'get it'.
:)

LongTimeNoPost
27-3-11, 11:13
Great read. Repped.

I think what you've written is one of the main reason why England have failed on the international level in recent years.

The players lack movement, they resort to long balls, they panic when pressed-in short they lack the technical skills or confidence to keep the ball, to keep patience and believe in themselves and so they just revert to hitting long balls-which is laughable when you have wayne rooney upfront.

redmist21
27-3-11, 11:31
answer me this . why then have man utd produced so many out of their accademy? scholes gigs beckam the neville brothers and all the rest.

scouting is the answer , and what about arsenal its good scouting .

As far barcelona are concerned, i would say they coaching methods are different to what you see in this country.

The priority with them is passing the ball and keeping possession ,above everything they teach them at a young age to be very comfortable with the ball. They are all technically very good and play total football which was passed down by a certain dutch winger remember him?