View Full Version : Charlie Nicholas on Sky Sports about LFC!
Charlie made a point, which made sense! I thought his figure was a little high though..... anyway...
Charlie "Liverpool need as many as 10 new faces in, and 10 of those players out"
^ He's meaning the dead wood and said names like Koncescky, Poulsen etc.... were never good enough for LFC. I find Charlie as a good pundit and doesn't seem anti LFC, infact he wants us to be back fighting for the big prizes, as he said something like ....'Liverpool and big European nights, go hand in hand'.
Now 10 as a figure might be stretching it, but we could be looking at something like 7/8 out and 5/6 in. That's possible. Because 10 players in and 10 players out, is a 'major'# team overhall...!!
What's everyone's feedback, is this the summer for a 'major' hoofing out of deadwood and creating a new LFC, or jus a couple of crap players sold, and a few big name aquisitions in???????
:scarf
By the way.... when Charlie says 10 out, he's not just talking about fringe players I think, am assuming he means some of the regulars i.e
Skrtel
Auerlio
N'Gog
Johnson (possibly.... because he hinted at new right back in)
Charlie made a point, which made sense! I thought his figure was a little high though..... anyway...
Charlie "Liverpool need as many as 10 new faces in, and 10 of those players out"
^ He's meaning the dead wood and said names like Koncescky, Poulsen etc.... were never good enough for LFC. I find Charlie as a good pundit and doesn't seem anti LFC, infact he wants us to be back fighting for the big prizes, as he said something like ....'Liverpool and big European nights, go hand in hand'.
Now 10 as a figure might be stretching it, but we could be looking at something like 7/8 out and 5/6 in. That's possible. Because 10 players in and 10 players out, is a 'major'# team overhall...!!
What's everyone's feedback, is this the summer for a 'major' hoofing out of deadwood and creating a new LFC, or jus a couple of crap players sold, and a few big name aquisitions in???????
:scarf
There's 9 players who need shipping Cole, Aurelio, Maxi, Ngog, Poulsen, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Spearing, Skrtel.
There's 9 players who need shipping Cole, Aurelio, Maxi, Ngog, Poulsen, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Spearing, Skrtel.
That's true. As stupid as it sounds, I've still not sat and counted the names than need shipping out ..... so 9 off the top of your head, says Charlie wasn't far off the mark and 10 is a realistic number out!!
That's true. As stupid as it sounds, I've still not sat and counted the names than need shipping out ..... so 9 off the top of your head, says Charlie wasn't far off the mark and 10 is a realistic number out!!
Unfortunately it's sad but very true, Charlie basically hit the nail on the head.
AnfieldSouth41
19-3-11, 16:24
10 probably a tad high but i think 6 out and 6 in is more or less on the money. He is right, konchesky, poulson etc. are no way near lfc standard
i could easily name 10 players id happily see shipped out.
Jovanovic
Poulson
konchesky
Maxi
Cole
Insua
Ngog
Degen
soto
Okay thats 9 but still.
6 quality players in and we should be there or there abouts.
Left Back
Centre Back
Centre Mid
Winger Left
Winger Right
Better Striker to replace Ngog
Thats what we need in my opinion. I dont think anyone can argue with those 6 positions we need to bring in.
My list out would be ..... in this order
Poulsen
Konchesky
El Zhar
Degen
Jovanovic
Aurelio
Spearing
Maxi
Skrtel
J.Cole
N'Gog
Darby
-InsertNameHere-
19-3-11, 16:32
Poulson, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Degen, El Zhar and Darby out (N'Gog on loan)! We must keep players like Spearing, Cole, Maxi, Aurelio, etc. as squad players for the run in and if/when we are in FA and Carling Cup!
But I do agree that fresh faces need to be brought in and a few of our first XI should take their place on the bench in order to strengthen our whole squad! Massive overhaul is pointless, unrealistic and will only lead to bad things!!
I point I don't get, why do people want Soto out? Every match he's played, he's been on the money and is a rough/tough defender we need and don't have. Sorry, but he's more physical than Carra and showed against Chelsea that even Drog couldn't get any change out of him!!
Only poor point was the pen against Braga, but then again .... every defender puts a foot wrong. I wouldn't sell Soto, we need an experience hard-nosed defender and he's that guy!! He didn't cost us much, and his wages aren't high either. When we clash next season with Everton, Stoke, Fulham and Blackburn and other physical teams, we'll need Soto!!!
Against the Scum, he came on and he never gave an inch to Berbaflop or Shrek!!!
:scarf:scarf
Poulson, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Degen, El Zhar and Darby out (N'Gog on loan)! We must keep players like Spearing, Cole, Maxi, Aurelio, etc. as squad players for the run in and if/when we are in FA and Carling Cup!
But I do agree that fresh faces need to be brought in and a few of our first XI should take their place on the bench in order to strengthen our whole squad! Massive overhaul is pointless, unrealistic and will only lead to bad things!!
But it seems from the numbers being counted and what Charlie has said, 10 is becoming a realistic figure. Sorry but Aurelio plays ..... how many games over 2/3 seasons??? He should be sold and a replacement for the bench be brought in, as that's where Aurelio is most times or in the treatment room more often!
Poulson, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Degen, El Zhar and Darby out (N'Gog on loan)! We must keep players like Spearing, Cole, Maxi, Aurelio, etc. as squad players for the run in and if/when we are in FA and Carling Cup!
But I do agree that fresh faces need to be brought in and a few of our first XI should take their place on the bench in order to strengthen our whole squad! Massive overhaul is pointless, unrealistic and will only lead to bad things!!
All Maxi, Cole and Aurelio are doing is costing us a fortune in wages.
toratoratora
19-3-11, 16:38
yup ! to many people playing on their names with no end product and alot without no product at all
By the way.... when Charlie says 10 out, he's not just talking about fringe players I think, am assuming he means some of the regulars i.e
Skrtel
Auerlio
N'Gog
Johnson (possibly.... because he hinted at new right back in)
I'd agree with 3off them, the jury's still out on the 4th because he's a good left back, shame he can't fullfil his natural position.
All Maxi, Cole and Aurelio are doing is costing us a fortune in wages.
Agreed, I had high expectation's for Cole but he's disappointed. He hasn't shown any glimpse of the natural flare, taking on players etc.. I think he's lost it and past his best. Cash in and make 10mill on him?
The 11 for next season, from what I can see.... and speculation, comments from players, news on grape vine etc...
-------------------???????????????-----------------
-Kelly------------Carragher-----Agger-------??????-
-----------------Gerrard---????????----------------
---------------------Meireles----------------------
-??????----------Suarez---Carroll------------??????-
Realistically we need 7 new faces in minimum. That's ....
1 Goalkeeper
1 Left back
1 Central Defender
1 Holding midfielder
2 Wingers
1 Striker
Your looking at for example names like ..... Lohris, Coentrao, Enrique, Lavezzi, Turan, Young, Milner, Benzema, Adam etc......
gingeZizou82
19-3-11, 16:45
1. Poulsen
2. Konchesky
3. El Zhar
4. Degen
5. Jovanovic
6. Aurelio
7. Darby
8. Aquilani
9. Skrtel
10. J.Cole
Easily ten that could be moved on but most won't give up the extortionate contracts they are on and the club will struggle to get rid. I fear it will be a gradual process (that could take 2/3 transfer windows) of replacing existing squad players with younger, more talented alternatives.
Agreed, I had high expectation's for Cole but he's disappointed. He hasn't shown any glimpse of the natural flare, taking on players etc.. I think he's lost it and past his best. Cash in and make 10mill on him?
Agree, totally!!
:mad:
By the way, was and have been keeping an eye on our younger players and my God, we have some top draw players coming through to push for 1st team places!!! I can see K.Kenny getting rid of deadwood, and brining in as many as 6/7 new faces atleast, but also trying to blood in the youth. In the next few years you will start to see names like ....
Suso ... Coady ... Wisdom ... Sama .... Morgan ... Sterling ... Adorjan
become part of our squad and 1st team!! :scarf:scarf
Agreed, I had high expectation's for Cole but he's disappointed. He hasn't shown any glimpse of the natural flare, taking on players etc.. I think he's lost it and past his best. Cash in and make 10mill on him?
Realistically you'd be lucky to get 2-3m for Cole and just have him off the wage bill.
Interesting and good points. Cannot actually argue with that.
It's all up to the owners and how much they are willing to spend.
-SF.Giants-
19-3-11, 17:07
10 probably a tad high but i think 6 out and 6 in is more or less on the money. He is right, konchesky, poulson etc. are no way near lfc standard
i could easily name 10 players id happily see shipped out.
Jovanovic
Poulson
konchesky
Maxi
Cole
Insua
Ngog
Degen
soto
Okay thats 9 but still.
6 quality players in and we should be there or there abouts.
Left Back
Centre Back
Centre Mid
Winger Left
Winger Right
Better Striker to replace Ngog
Thats what we need in my opinion. I dont think anyone can argue with those 6 positions we need to bring in.
El Zhar
ShayGuevara
19-3-11, 17:20
7 in and 9 out IMO
In
One of:
1/ Marin/Young/Hazard
2/ Adam/Aquilani
3/ Jose Enrique/Coentrao
4/ Wickham/Long/Hooper
5/ Seb Larson/Marveaux
6/ M'Villa/Sissoko
7/ Kjaer/Cahill/Shawcross
Out
1/ Jovanovic
2/ Maxi or Cole
3/ Aurellio
4/ Aquilani
5/ Poulson
6/ Ngog
7 Degen
8/ Konchesky
9/ Soto
Possible First XI for next season:
--------------------Reina---------------------
Johnson------Carragher----Kjaer------Joes Enrique
--------------------M'Vila--------------------
-------------Gerrard-----Meireles--------------
Marin----------------------------------Suarez
--------------------Carrol---------------------
Second XI for next season
-------------------Jones-----------------
Kelly--------Skrtel--------Agger-----Insua
-------------------Lucas-----------------
------------Shelvey------Adam-----------
S.Larsson----------------------------J.Cole
-------------------Kuyt-------------------
Youth XI
------------------Gulacsi-----------------
Flanagan-----Ayala------Wilson---Robinson
-------------------Coady-----------------
--------------Spearing---Suso------------
Sterling---------------------------Pacheco
-----------------Wickham------------------
Can we afford it and pull of these deals is another thing but if we can we'll be challenging again and I wouldnt rule that side out of a Premier League next season.
Maxi should head the list of clear outs.
Joe Cole as well. For 90k a week he doesn't do enough.
I don't see Konchesky coming back, Poulsen is a no brainer.
There's 9 players who need shipping Cole, Aurelio, Maxi, Ngog, Poulsen, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Spearing, Skrtel.
Add the greek to that.
El Zhar
He's still Here :eek: ?
:FP:
BrendanRodgers
19-3-11, 17:50
Unfortunately Charlie is right and I presume when he says 10 players he means:
Konchesky
Spearing
Degan
Insua
Aurelio
Poulsen
Jovanovic
El Zhar
Ngog
Darby
And arguably Skrtel, Aqualini, Cole, Soto, Jones and Maxi should be added to that list as well. But I doubt that most of these will go though. It will take a few years to shift the deadwood and sign fresh young talent, while trying to avoid what Roy etc did by replacing deadwood with even more deadwood.
SuarumanTheRed
19-3-11, 18:06
Add the greek to that.
Or not since hes far better backup then were likely to find and has still out performed most of our defence since hes been here.
Realistically you'd be lucky to get 2-3m for Cole and just have him off the wage bill.
You're probably right, I was a little optimistic.
If I was to brutally honest...
Poulsen - proper waste of money
Konch - proper waste of money
Auerilo - super unreliable
Spearing - just not good enough
Kuyt - he's a good utility player, maybe I am been harsh
Skrtel - dodgy
Agger - his injuries are putting him into the 'Ledly King' category
Ngog - his average, nothing more nothing less
Cole - flopped badly, does anyone know including Joe which position he plays in?
Jova - not rated by the staff.
We need a huge overhaul, Charlie is right on that one.
RyanCalum76
20-3-11, 11:53
Charlie is spot on and this deadwood needs to go in the summer whether they're sold or shipped out on loan!Whether we can get 10 players is in is a bit unrealistic but i understand what he is saying as we do need a massive influx of quality/young/hungry players.
We have signed 2 quality players in Jan already and i do feel we definitely need 4/5 top notch players to come in the summer.From then on we can bleed in the talented young lads we have aswell as maybe 1/2 signings in future windows.The thing is we need to get these signings right or else i fear the worst for us.Too long now we have brought in mediocre players who are just not up to standard.Quality over quantity from now on..............
These for me should be shipped out!!
Degen
El Zhar
Insua
Konchesky
Poulsen
Jovanovich
Cole
Spearing
Darby
Aquilani
Players in!
Coentrao/Enrique/Baines
Adam
Downing
Young/N'Zogbia
Benzema
THEKOPTALKS
20-3-11, 11:56
i love charlie due to the fact he is never saying something bad about lfc becoz i think he supports us even though he is an arsenal fan i think he has a little spot where he loves lfc probably coz of dalglish due to them both being celtic
but i think it will be 9 and not 10 faces should be
ngog
jova ( like him but it hasnt worked out)
degen
poulsen
konchesky
el zhar
aquilani ( wants to leave )
jones ( obviously not seen him play but just get another good keeper )
insua
Ourdaywillcome
20-3-11, 11:59
If you want to win a title then all below should be no were near the first 11
Poulsen
Kragyiakos
Konchesky
El Zhar
Degen
Jovanovic
Aurelio
Spearing
Lucas
Maxi
Skrtel
J.Cole
N'Gog
Darby
Kuyt
RedsRunRiot
20-3-11, 12:04
10 is a bit high. Possibly 5 or 6. Not because there are only 6 players that need to leave, but because it would cause too much disruption to get rid of half the playing squad.
I point I don't get, why do people want Soto out? Every match he's played, he's been on the money and is a rough/tough defender we need and don't have. Sorry, but he's more physical than Carra and showed against Chelsea that even Drog couldn't get any change out of him!!
Only poor point was the pen against Braga, but then again .... every defender puts a foot wrong. I wouldn't sell Soto, we need an experience hard-nosed defender and he's that guy!! He didn't cost us much, and his wages aren't high either. When we clash next season with Everton, Stoke, Fulham and Blackburn and other physical teams, we'll need Soto!!!
Against the Scum, he came on and he never gave an inch to Berbaflop or Shrek!!!
:scarf:scarf
I dont think we should get rid of him at all, every top team needs an big ugly centre half who is prepared to put his head through the ball without fear
Thispilgrim
20-3-11, 12:22
I think we all accept that teams needs major rebuilding but Charlie Nicholas is utter tosspot tbf.
I think we all accept that teams needs major rebuilding but Charlie Nicholas is utter tosspot tbf.
And he actually one of the better ones on that Sky which say's it all really.
RyanCalum76
20-3-11, 12:44
I think we all accept that teams needs major rebuilding but Charlie Nicholas is utter tosspot tbf.
Tosspot or not his comments are correct and in my opinion is a good analyst!!
We'd need to do it over time. We can't just throw 10 squad players out of the team in one window. That would cause so much disruption amongst the squad.
I personally am expecting 4-6 players out in the summer. then possibly a further 2-3 in the January.
We'd need to do it over time. We can't just throw 10 squad players out of the team in one window. That would cause so much disruption amongst the squad.
I personally am expecting 4-6 players out in the summer. then possibly a further 2-3 in the January.
I agree with this. Wholesale changes don't make any sense unless you have a bottomless pit of money and you're trying to build a team of galacticos - and even then it rarely works.
Plus people are saying get rid of the Greek, and Skrtl and the likes, which just makes no sense.
Also Spearing is much underated and will be a regular in our title-winning side in my view.
Top-Of-The-Kops
20-3-11, 13:09
Maxi -------------- Marveaux
Cole -------------- Young
Poulsen ----------- M'Vila
Konchesky -------- Baines
Aquilani ----------- Adam
Jovanovic --------- Dzsudzsak
Ngog ------------- Benzema
Kyrgiakos --------- Musacchio
Then all deadwood etc
Unfortunately Charlie is right and I presume when he says 10 players he means:
Konchesky
Spearing
Degan
Insua
Aurelio
Poulsen
Jovanovic
El Zhar
Ngog
Darby
And arguably Skrtel, Aqualini, Cole, Soto, Jones and Maxi should be added to that list as well. But I doubt that most of these will go though. It will take a few years to shift the deadwood and sign fresh young talent, while trying to avoid what Roy etc did by replacing deadwood with even more deadwood.
Another stupid post. You call our players "deadwood"? If for whatever reason you dislike them, i still think you should be sensible enough in your choice of adjectives. A lot of fans are still deluding themselves into believing the "yanks" have money to throw around. Come summer, you all will be disappointed. Sold two players for 57million and bought two players for 58million,should that be a thing of pride? Under Rafa we operated this way and a lot of dumb heads read the press and believed all the nonsense about "Rafa wasting millions" when in fact, he never had the cash. Until Liverpool have very rich arabs, we WILL continue to be a sell-to-buy-club.:mad:
COME ON people ...
This is all true but we all know it simply will not happen .... most of the 'deadwood' listed here will still be playing for us next year.
Maybe 2-3 will move on ... but I cannot see us signing any more than 3 new players in the summer. We need quality not quantity and selling 10 players to buy 10 players would just be creating all new problems.
1. Poulsen
2. Konchesky
3. El Zhar
4. Degen
5. Jovanovic
6. Aurelio
7. Darby
8. Aquilani
9. Skrtel
10. J.Cole
Easily ten that could be moved on but most won't give up the extortionate contracts they are on and the club will struggle to get rid. I fear it will be a gradual process (that could take 2/3 transfer windows) of replacing existing squad players with younger, more talented alternatives.
You're about right, I think; but not exactly so! I'm not sure about your inclusion of Aquilani - we haven't really seen him play. Chopping him might be premature. With some sadness I'd agree with J Cole being on your 'hit list'. I did have high hopes for him when he arrived; but he simply isn't the J Cole of old, unfortunately.
10 is a big number, no doubt about it; so it's unlikely that it will all happen in one fell swoop. However, the main point is that there is a recognition within the Club that something needs to be done to improve the Squad to revive LFC's fortunes. That is the main thing!!
Are you maaad spearing, Ngog? excuse me these, are young players need to be given more chance so as to improve
We need to keep some experience, Kyrgiakos, Kuyt and possibly Cole can be the ones to stay but there are deffinately 5/6 who have to go and we all know who they are ..... Poulsen, Konchescky, Jovanovic etc...
Whoever's knockec Charlie Nicholas, c'mon mate.... he's not on our backs but has stated the obvious and we are being blind to to not see it. He said something like 'The 1st to go should be their keeper, he wants European footbally and Liverpool most likely won't be playing in Europe, and if he wants to go, they should sell him'.
^ Makes sense, we want to get maximum and not hold on like we did with Torres and get less than what we get offered in Summer. If Reina wants to go, let him go!!
:scarf
mybloodsred
20-3-11, 19:55
I dont think Spearing should be part of that list i think he would be good to have on the Bench, yes he's 24 and he really should be at a higher level for his age but i really think it would be a mistake to let him go
BrendanRodgers
20-3-11, 19:58
Another stupid post. You call our players "deadwood"? If for whatever reason you dislike them, i still think you should be sensible enough in your choice of adjectives. A lot of fans are still deluding themselves into believing the "yanks" have money to throw around. Come summer, you all will be disappointed. Sold two players for 57million and bought two players for 58million,should that be a thing of pride? Under Rafa we operated this way and a lot of dumb heads read the press and believed all the nonsense about "Rafa wasting millions" when in fact, he never had the cash. Until Liverpool have very rich arabs, we WILL continue to be a sell-to-buy-club.:mad:
Are you really as dumb as you look?
The players mentioned in the list are either loaned out at average clubs or are quite simply on the fringes of the first team squad picking up huge wages and are at a later stage of their career on long contracts.
Also I neve said anything about Rafa wasting money and a lot of these poor signings came from Hodgsons one transfer window.
RedsRunRiot
20-3-11, 19:59
If you want to win a title then all below should be no were near the first 11
Poulsen
Kragyiakos
Konchesky
El Zhar
Degen
Jovanovic
Aurelio
Spearing
Lucas
Maxi
Skrtel
J.Cole
N'Gog
Darby
Kuyt
Fantastic, we can have a squad of 11 good players and no one as back up. Accept it, Kuyt, Lucas, Kyrgiakos can add a bit of depth when world class players come in. We may need them. Keep them! In fact, any more performances like the one today by Spearing and he can have a chance at it too. Not sure if he will ever be first team material, but decent to have on the books to add more to the squad.
Don't understand why people run Soto down, Rafa brought him in as cover for £3m and I don't think we could have got anyone else better for the money.
Probably does need to be moved on in the summer, but lets not **** the guy off.
Also I can't take anything Charlie Nicolas say's seriously after finding that he's friends with the guys who are advising the people at Blackburn. I'm not Big Sam fan but he's the sort of manager Blackburn need, I remember when they were saying how crazy it was he was sacked and he defended it!
10 probably a tad high but i think 6 out and 6 in is more or less on the money. He is right, konchesky, poulson etc. are no way near lfc standard
i could easily name 10 players id happily see shipped out.
Jovanovic
Poulson
konchesky
Maxi
Cole
Insua
Ngog
Degen
soto
Okay thats 9 but still.
6 quality players in and we should be there or there abouts.
Left Back
Centre Back
Centre Mid Hopefully Aqua will come and claim that one
Winger Left
Winger Right
Better Striker to replace Ngog
Thats what we need in my opinion. I dont think anyone can argue with those 6 positions we need to bring in.
i agree with this except a few things as ive bolded, dont think soto should go, he is a good sub to have on the bench, yes he made that big mistake against braga, but they all make mistakes once and again....
put El zhar and spearing in there instead and we got the 10
and i took the liverty to put something in your post :)