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I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
BennytheSalmon
22-3-12, 13:29
I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
Your suggesting a joint management system? Never work has been proven with Evans/Houiller..there always has to be one boss!
P.S congrats on your daughter
We know from experience that joint managers don't work.
Also do you really think someone who demands control as much as Rafa would be happy to share it?
HeWhoShallNotBeNamed
22-3-12, 13:43
Would never work .
Joint managers don't work.
I do think Rafa is holding out for his job back here though. I think if Kenny's was to leave at the end of the season, Rafa would certainly want his job back and fans would certainly welcome him back with open arms. imo he is still one of the top 5 managers in the world today.
No thanks. I have no interest in having Rafa back in any role.
Liverpool supporters need to stop looking back in the past and start looking to the future. At this point, the club's great history is preventing it from being able to do the things necessary to ensure a great future.
Klopp turned down Chelsea but maybe he would consider coming here if the King is to be replaced.
Personally I'm not all that fussed whether he stays or leaves at this stage. While he is here I will continue to back him, and if he gets another season then I'll be excited to see how it goes, but as I said, if in fact he does leave, depending on the replacement I could be just as excited if not more so.
Thispilgrim
22-3-12, 13:57
Neither would play second fiddle to the other.
The thought has crossed my mind, but I can't see it happening. For one thing, great managers don't like sharing power or deferring to someone else, nor do they like having to explain their decisions (or needing someone else to approve them). And you can't have a democracy of two people, as decisions usually need to be made quickly and you don't have time to debate what to do, especially if they have different philosophies & approaches to the game. Plus, the managers don't like the thought of having a potential replacement hovering near them - it's unsettling.
Both men love the club and the city, and in an ideal world it would work out. And like you, I love both managers, and it's true that each has their own strengths - Rafa is a great tactician and KK does wonders with the players, plus both would emphasize keeping the youth setup going - something Rafa started in conjunction with KK, so we know that they already do see eye-to-eye on certain things.
In theory it would be great fit, but realistically-speaking, it won't happen. The only way I can even fathom seeing this happening is if KK decides that he needs to spend a little less time away from home, resulting in a slightly reduced day-to-day role at the club and then if he highly recommends to the owners to re-hire Rafa. He can be charismatic, but getting the owners to bring back Rafa AND accept this setup, might be a tough sell even for him!
No thanks. I have no interest in having Rafa back in any role.
Liverpool supporters need to stop looking back in the past and start looking to the future. At this point, the club's great history is preventing it from being able to do the things necessary to ensure a great future.
agreed.
I think rafa needs to go out and prove himself again with another club before he ever becomes re=considered again.
No thanks. I have no interest in having Rafa back in any role.
Liverpool supporters need to stop looking back in the past and start looking to the future. At this point, the club's great history is preventing it from being able to do the things necessary to ensure a great future.
Ironic then that KK is the man in charge. ;)
But I do agree that we have to look forward instead of living off the past and believing we're entitled to things just because of it.
ShayGuevara
22-3-12, 14:05
I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
Give it over, its never going to happen. Kennys in future, Rafa's the past.
Benitez as director of football sounds good to me, anything else no.
As joint managers, no.
However if Benitez were to come back as manager with Kenny as his assistant that could be something to look at. Kenny would accept any role within the club. His man-management skills could be just the thing that we would need to accompany Benitez's tactical nous. I've thought about this before. I think the only real problem would bee if Steve Clarke would be happy in that environment.
It wouldn't be joint managers. It would be Rafa in charge of tactics and the team and Kenny coming in to help motivate and inspire. That's not joint management. That's each man with a specific club function. Rafa has to realise that if he does come back all previous bets are off. He can't be in total control. At least not until he's won us no.6 or the Prem. :) If I recall Rafa was slaughtered for a few drws at home that could have won us the league... kenny has drawn 8 at home and we're nowhere near fifth never mind fourth spot. Yeah, the cup win is great but it shouldn't be being used to papaer over the cracks after we'd been told that it was the springboard to greater success. That has come in the FA Cup for sure... but we're Reds fans. We wanna do well in the league.
It's frustrating that we place good football but just can't find the net. It's almost unbelievable that it has gone on all season. I know Rafa had us scoring loads at the height of his powers and with a poorer squad. So... Klopp won't come to England. He's a mainstay on German TV and is lapping up the adulation in Germany. The Bayern job is his if he ever wants it. Or the national team. That's the way things go there.
I can't believe no one has mentioned AVB or do we all suddenly believe he's crap now? The Liverpool side is a young one and he would have more influence/fewer obstacles. And talk about a burning desire to want to prove yoursefl to the English footballing press. That said, i dunno if they'd give him a chance and we'd be in the papers again non-stop.
...que sera, sera. BUt the rot has got to stop or things have to change.
not in a million years. benitez had his chance and he was here for almost 6years. his first 3 years before the cancers arrived saw how his brand of football is and its quite telling he doesn't have the tools for the consistency required for the EPL. he doesnt show attacking strategy and is always full of tactical plans one game at a time only suitbale for knock out competitions. his lack of budget was proven false too as he consistently struggle with smallers clubs and win at bigger teams. even on his 3rd year. thats is not a good record. he never succeeded in getting any decent wingers to help play expansive attacking strategies which was crucial to his defensive tactical counter attacking ability.
kenny on the other hand altho years gone by, is a proven winner in this ground. he knows the enemy fergie and he knows the british culture and how to handle the media. rafa has choked on his "facts" drama and he clearly needs learn how to handle the vile media here before he can succeed. and then theres inter milan....
I think kenny needs rush and barnes to complete the triangulation. no?
I don't think they'd ever work as joint managers, maybe however we could do a scientific experiment to merge them into one manager? Rafa's drive and eye for signings and Kenny's man management? :-p
But back to reality, two very different but very good managers. I dare say that Rafa would have had a better time at LFC with the backing and trust of the owners, he certainly spoke his mind, esp about other managers, the way he questioned SAF being untouchable was heroic! But he lacked the people skills and charm that KD has, and also came across as a complete control freak! I want KD to stay with LFC, but if he left at the end of the season and Rafa came back I wouldn't mind too much, whatever will be will be and all that. I think if they could find a way of working together that would utilise both their skills and experience they would be quite a force - but then again, you have to take both as a package, maybe Rafa's lack of praise for our lads is what drove them to succeed? Is having happy players worth more than good results? It warms the heart to see Kenny celebrating at the side of the pitch with our supporters - much more so than Rafa, maintaining his very straight face in his seat. I don't think Rafa would want let any of the control of the club slip to someone else, in which case it would never be shared management, but as it's been suggested before different roles may be worth trying, where they have their own responsibilities and don't have to agree on anything :-p
maradona4liverpool
22-3-12, 16:13
I'm not into returns
I'm not into returns
What about Take That's comeback?
crustytoenail
22-3-12, 16:24
why?
when things are going wrong is it bring back rafa. he give many fans the best night of their life in 2005, we won the FA Cup and nearly won the league, but lets not forget how after that things turned bad.
Benitez is the past and we need to move forward.
maradona4liverpool
22-3-12, 16:27
What about Take That's comeback?
as a teenager in the take that original era i was a tad excited at the thought of a return...
slowly listening to the new stuff i realised that its not really that great afterall so i shall remember them from the good times i originally had in the good old day's
as a teenager in the take that original era i was a tad excited at the thought of a return...
slowly listening to the new stuff i realised that its not really that great afterall so i shall remember them from the good times i originally had in the good old day's
I was working in the suites at their Croke Park concert, and I'm not a Take That man but it was a very good concert. Started off with the 4 of them doing their new stuff, then Robbie came out and did an hour long set of his solo music. Then the rest came out and did all their old stuff.
Brian O'Driscoll and Shane Horgan were in my suite with their ladies- both lads absolutely loving it!
TheBuckStopsWithRodgers
22-3-12, 16:32
Neither Kenny or Benitez are the answer.
We should start looking at : Bisela, O'neill, Klopp, Deschamps, Lowe, AVB, Capello as our next manager.
maradona4liverpool
22-3-12, 16:32
I was working in the suites at their Croke Park concert, and I'm not a Take That man but it was a very good concert. Started off with the 4 of them doing their new stuff, then Robbie came out and did an hour long set of his solo music. Then the rest came out and did all their old stuff.
Brian O'Driscoll and Shane Horgan were in my suite with their ladies- both lads absolutely loving it!
nice one, you see kenny and carroll?:o
nice one, you see kenny and carroll?:o
Nah they didn't make the trip over to Ireland for it, but if they dance anything like BOD did I'd say they were hilarious :D
Rafa for sure but only if he brings Paco. In to assist him
christonabendybus
22-3-12, 18:20
as a teenager in the take that original era i was a tad excited at the thought of a return...
slowly listening to the new stuff i realised that its not really that great afterall so i shall remember them from the good times i originally had in the good old day's
I heard Back For Good on the radio today as I was driving into university. Reminded me of how good they were before this "what yer lookin' at" debacle.
maradona4liverpool
22-3-12, 18:21
I heard Back For Good on the radio today as I was driving into university. Reminded me of how good they were before this "what yer lookin' at" debacle.
classic tune
Watched that Kop Kings of Europe , Rafas teams were great to watch, we had some freat players with us as well ...... i want the best of both worlds lol....... love Dalglish and i love Rafa
Sounds nice but it's a good parent bad parent situation. One scolds the child and the other gives them a hug = confused child.
RedsRunRiot
22-3-12, 18:50
Three reasons why it won't work:
Kenny wouldn't like it
Rafa wouldn't like it
The players wouldn't like it
Only one man I want more than Rafa back at this club, and we got him. If Rafa is willing to wait a few years, then great. Otherwise I'm happy with the King.
RafatheSpecial1
22-3-12, 18:57
Without a doubt Kenny should remain behind the scenes when he stops being our Manager. Both Kenny and Rafa love the club and the people, so having Rafa involved at any level, given his footballing intelligence, would surely be of great benefit.
What top clubs like us look for is managers (and players, but just for the time being, managers) who understand the great tradition of the club and don't see it as a stepping stone or a pay check. Any manager other than Rafa or Kenny would have less understanding and passion for the club and that would be my primary concern, as it was with Roy. In an ideal world Kenny should be Rafa's assistant - the man motivator to balance out Rafa's tactical, non-sociable managerial style - but I feel that maybe that should've happened when Kenny was brought back a few years ago as ambassador and Pako left. Rafa being part of the team as Director of Football sounds good, but I doubt very much he'd want the job. He wants to manage at the top level and so he should. Rafa knows talent but has never had an open cheque book like KK has. Rafa wanted to buy Ronaldo, Kompany, Silva, Vidic, Alves, etc but the cowboys wouldn't stump up the cash. With the owners now far better than the previous shower, I'm pretty sure Rafa could do a very good job if he were granted a second term - the second coming, as it were!
What Rafa did for us - getting CL every year except the last of the cowboys catastrophic reign - was simply stupendous and he should be returned this summer and KK moved back upstairs/to assistant (though pride suggests he'd rather go back upstairs), imho!
Tom-Machine
22-3-12, 19:59
I've been a Rafa-basher for most of the time I've supported this club but thinking back, winning the Champions League and finishing second in the league weren't terrible achievements to be fair. :rolleyes:
However, I don't value Rafa as highly as some people here might and I don't think the joint managerial idea would work.
King Kenny is the only man for the job!
TheDarknessIsCalling
22-3-12, 20:27
We know from experience that joint managers don't work.
Also do you really think someone who demands control as much as Rafa would be happy to share it?
Didn't Sillett and George whatsisface win the FA Cup with Coventry under joint managers?
But no, just too complicated to work. Imagine trying to do it even on a footy management game, it wouldn't even be workable in fantasy
I suppose I should clarify and say that I was not thinking of a joint manager role at all.
Rafa is not working, why can Liverpool fc not think outside of the box and create a new role, one that both men would be happy with? Rafa loves our history and therefore I am sure respects Kenny, are we sure he would not consider a role that would mean he would not have to deal With the media but still claim some of the plaudits should we be successful? Why does everyone think that it is such an outlandish idea?
Let's face it, we have tried every combination of new manager, new owners and new players, but something, and I suspect it is mental, is still clearly lacking.
What's to say that both men would not enjoy the shared responsibility and thrive with less pressure on each individual.
What's to say that Rafa, out of work, would not like the chance of dipping his feet back in the world of football following his hiding to nothing at inter? Perhaps he could be seen as the saviour at Liverpool were we to mount a serious challenge and then receive the plaudits from The footballing fraternity.
I don't know how I would feel about it to be honest, it was merely a 'thread' to see what others thought....which by and large has been a thanks but no thanks.
I am just at my wits end and for 20 of my 30 years on this planet I have become sick to death of saying 'next year could be our year'. I am not silly enough to think that next year will be, I am just trying to look at all options in trying to install e mental belief needed.
A new manager other than these two would mean another merry go round of transfers and 'bedding' in time, while the man city, spurs and arsenals of this world just sail further into the distance.
With Rafa back in some form, most of the team would have two men that they look up to and respect.
How on earth the day to day working would go I have no idea, but surely it's time to start thinking outside of the box as I don't want to see Kenny given 4 years and the 'youth' of our support start clamouring for his head and never understand what sort of man and manager he is.
I would give Kenny his full contract.....just in case any of you are wondering where I stand.
Merely posing a question folks!
xRedmanLFCx
22-3-12, 21:21
I think it is a great idea but highly unlikely to happen. It would mean having to pay two "managers" wages and also having to provide two transfer budgets. It would also leave us open to a difference in opinion i.e. zonal/man marking or anything else for that matter. If there was to be a joint managerment it would involve a lot of negotiating and nobody would get everything they want. I hope it may happen, but know it wont.
I think it would a Real Good Move..! if Kenny agrees!
I think RAFA will bring Europe Expertise and signings . Also we will win the CL with RAFA.
RAFA needs kenny for the premiership and keeny needs him badly for europe! so the 2 Liverpool could do with !
YES BIG YES!!!
I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
What a pathetic idea. I also love this club but i wouldnt have a clue how to manage it. Mind you id have more idea than lardy and the "king"
agreed.
I think rafa needs to go out and prove himself again with another club before he ever becomes re=considered again.
You miss the point though. Rafa does not have anything to prove. With Inter missing so many first team players they struggled but were not out of CL position. Besides, he won some trophies in 6 months.
A rafa benitez team would never conceed 3 goals in the last ten mins of a game! not a dig at Kenny but rafa knew when to shut up shop
I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
In a word: NO.
Who gets the final say? If KD's such a genius 'man manager' why are HIS signings playing so utterly appaulingly despite being picked week in week out?
Sorry, but just for once think clearly and dont introduce the ideology: KD is so great a person, KD loves the club, KD has done so much, KD is a legend.
Now tell me WHAT DOES KD ACTUALLY BRING TO THE TABLE?
I keep reading, quite disgustingly in my opinion, re getting rid of Kenny and bringing back Rafa........I think this is disgusting purely for what the man has done for our club, both in the past and the recent....
However an interesting point which I think is worth discussing is how about both of them working together for the good of our club?
In my opinion we would then have a tremendous man manager in Kenny, something which I think Benitez with his clinical style certainly lacks, and then the sheer tactical brilliance of Benitez and drawing power of foreign players which I think Kenny would certainly benefit from.
Rafa loves this club and city, he still lives here and his kids still go to school here, correct me if I'm wrong, and Kenny was always rafa's staunchest admirer when he was at the club.
Could it work? Could it keep the Kenny lovers (which should be damn well all of us) and the Rafa lovers (of which I was certainly one) happy and more importantly perhaps give us the nous needed on all fronts and not just the cups?
Genuinely interested what people think and apologies if there has been threads on this, I am a bit tired follwoing the birth of my first little one.....a redwoman god help me...... Lol
YNWA
An intresting idea.. but could it work... when houllier and evans tried it didnt.. and who makes the key decitions? I wouldnt trust benitez in the transfer market for one...
Two managers seems a good idea, but in reality no it would never work... rafa needs to forget about LIVERPOOL and find another job...good luck to him though
FSG wouldn't touch him. I'll stake anything you like on it.
One way or the other, Kenny was signed to stable the ship, not sail forward. Kenny will step down after the season ends then John Henry and Co. will do magic in the summer.
The King and Benitez as a double act? Have the chuckle brothers retired? Bout the only thing they would be a succes at
RedSkirttles
26-3-12, 17:57
Lol no.
King > Benitez all day long
Donīt know, if it would work, but there are not many top-class managers out there, and Rafa loves this club! I would like to see him get another shot. Wonder, how he would get along with Comolli.
But having two such great talents like Kenny and Rafa at hand, it would be a shame, if it should not happen only because of Egos. No one is bigger than the club, and if both of them really live up to this maxime, I see no reason, why they could not find a modus vivendi.