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I actually agree with this statement as well, however as I have previously pointed out in this thread, I never stated this at all. My basis for our major players leaving was around crucial points in their own personal careers moving to a more stable environment than what we currently have to offer in the wake of a new manager. Certainly not leaving because of their loyality to Rafa as some have tried to construe it.Originally Posted by NNNick
When I was at School, a kid got excluded for a pretty rubbish reason. We all protested and decided we were going to leave the School and do our A-levels elsewhere. After a couple of days we realised it was silly and pointless, and we stuck around.
Rafa is not a warm and friendly guy. I doubt many players will up sticks in protest. Especially not if the new manager comes in and gets them winning.
What has this got to do with this thread. Did you mean to post this in the mark hughes sacked one? At no point have I said players will leave in protest against Rafa being sacked
My mistake - I skimread the OP and took in the sentence about the players who would leave, followed by some of the responses. I've now re-read it
I think you make some good points, but you're also a little sensitive about things too.
Know where you're coming from here but I don't feel I'm being a little sensitive on this one. I just think some people don't understand where I was going with this thread. A point in case being the previous poster who since said he re read the original post to understand where I was coming from
Rafa staying will inhibit this club tenfold.
He really cannot cut it.
He has to go.
Can Kenny do it? Unlikely but this dross we play anyone can manage us!
As you rightly pointed out Mr dvdman, Kenny is an unlikely replacement candidate, so who is? The bigger question as I mentioned previously is who of any quality would want to come here under the current structure? The answer is quite simple that no suitable manager would even consider entertaining taking the Anfield hotseat the way the club is currently being run.
Rafa gets to spend money. The owners aren't responsible for our current situation, as much as some people want it to be.
The owners don't cause us to put in utterly abject performances against Portsmouth, Blackburn, Fulham et al.
Who cares if those players leave - none of them impressed me by that disgusting display today.
The post you refer to in your comments, I am not asking the question about Rafa as a manager. I am asking what manager in his right mind would consider coming to Anfield to work for two people who can't even sit next to each other, never mind agree on anything? There are currently a handful of managers in the world who we as fans would deem worthy of taking the helm at Anfield where Rafa to leave, however personally I couldn't see any of them touching this club with a barge pole under the current set up.
So you wouldn't be concerned if Pepe, Torres, Masch or Agger left?
Add Gerrard to that list.
....Which is why, despite my horror at yesterday's performance, I don't want us to dump Rafa halfway through one crap run of form!
Have to agree with the common view of disbelief at some of his decisions, but when you look at the bigger (very ugly) picture of where our club is at behind the scenes, especially finance-wise, no other (worthy) manager with a brain in his head will touch us right now.
Agree with the thread.....careful what you wish for....how about some blood sweat and **llocks from the players instead (yes, I'm looking at you Stevie G)
and remembering that LFC means more than just a 6 month slump!
YNWA
Bring back Houllier
When the going gets tough, ***** flies from all directions and even a person like Sammy Lee has to put up with comments like these......fickle bunch we lot are.....just recently saying what a wonderful appointment he was, crediting him with the team's run last season, some touted him as the real person for team's motivation and now when things are down, we beat him more so that it all looks like as if the fans are never wrong.....pity we do not understand what goes on really in a club and to be honest we are most of the times not right....not even close to being right......
I expressed reservations the day he joined us.
am sure you did but that does not mean we try to find the rot in every nook and corner without knowing the reality and that too now when everything we see is dire and so sad......all may not be wrong with the club but it is certainly wrong where it matters most and things must be really taken up for inspection at the end of this season, till then, I for one would support whoever is in charge of LFC and by that i mean not only the manager or the staff or the players....everyone it is.....
I do support them. When i'm in the ground.
When i'm on here, i discuss what i think is working, and what i think isn't.
Well said. Problem is its spilling into the ground now.
Just a thought but one of the richest clubs in the world could only attract Roberto Mancini as their new manager, but people here think the likes of Hiddinck or the Portugese man would walk into here if Rafa left or was sacked now? If a decent squad and bottomless pit of transfer cash wasn't enough to tempt this quality of manager to leave their current posts and take the helm at eastlands, why would they want to come to Liverpool now? Be careful what you wish for
For the reasons i've already stated in this thread.
Higgy, I accept your stance in this thread that if there is a change you are prepared to be patient enough for evolution to take place, which could take a good while. However a lot of folk on here think a change would bring instant success, which may not well be the case. Just out of interest, if Rafa went last weekend and we replaced him with Mancini, would you be happy with that? Me personally no, but would be interested to gauge opinion on it. As I just posted, if the richest club in the world could only attract him, what kind of manager could we hope to attract in our current climate?
Yes, but City need the riches to get them there.
We offer something else. A challenge as great as any in football. A chance to put your name down amongst the very greats.
Up until the last 12 months I would have totally agreed with this, however it is entirely possible the current managers plans and guarantees have been undermined by two owners who can't even bring themselves to be close to each other, so I think any top flight manager would be extremely aware of this and realise it could do them more harm than good, which means we could end up with a second rate yes man. Where would that take us?
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Rafa is exempt from any blame for the current situation, far from it, I'm just extremely concerned that the current tirade calling for his head haven't weighed up all the options in our current situation? Your thoughts?
I disagree with anyone calling for his head. He gets at least to the end of the season for me, and probably more.
I just hate all the doom and gloom surrounding the possibilty that he may leave.
I heard it all, and even thought it myself at times, about Houllier.
We all loved him once. Thought he was the only one.
There will be somebody else after Rafa.
Correct there will be someone after Rafa, however I will never compare his reign to that of Houllier's yet as the last two years under Houllier were a total disgrace. We've had a few bad months here which can still be turned around and until that few bad months becomes two seasons I will never ever compare Rafa with Houllier, and to be honest I will never compare the two anyway
I'm not comparing the ends of the tenures, i'm comparing the belief that we had in them both at one stage.
Bumped.
I wrote this in December last year and it appears to have more relevance now as the decision for Rafa to be removed has been made.
Where I was wrong in the initial post is Pepe and I believe Agger are committed to the club. However as each day passes the more I think Gerrard, Masch and Torres will not be here at the start of next season. And with no guarantees that that money from sales will be given to the new manager to reinvest into the squad, the immediate future looks very bleak indeed.
For that reason I think we should look for an up and coming younger manager to start the club up from scratch. It may take a few seasons to restore some pride and get the club challenging again but I think that is the way forward for us now. Forget big name managers, I don't think Daglish is the answer either.
You started a good thread here and it deserved bumping. I'm wondering what your stance is on the possibility of Hodgson becoming our next manager. From your previous post I assume that your argument against him is that he is to old, is it?
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