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    Please note I will up-date this thread on a regular basis. So if you just want the latest news, please scroll down to the latest entry.. Thanks.

    Here is my Letter from Brazil.

    I want feedback from people on this, what do you want me to report?, and what do you not have an interest in?, I'll go by majority opinion.

    I will not bother with weekly results etc, you can find those easily on the various web sites.

    I will give a "picture" of how the press, media and public, view things. An overall view of what is happening in Serie A. Also with the National team, preparations for the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. Yes they have already started.

    I will report some general news, and a few other sports related items. Plus a few fun items. and items on "life in Brazil". Please give some input/feedback as to what you all think is worthwhile or rubbish.

    Here's an example,

    Football first:

    I am sure you are all aware of the appointment of Mano Menezes, as the new trainer of the national team.

    But has it been reported what went on "behind the scenes"?

    The President of Brazil, Sr Lula; wanted Felipe Scolari, but Ricardo Teixeira, as head of the CBF decided on Mano.

    Now you have to be a pretty tough cookie, to go against your presidents' wishes, with all the risks involved. So why did Teixeira take this decision?

    Well it looks as if Teixeira wants to have more involvement with the team selection. And of course we all know Felipe, is not a "yes man". So time will tell. Good luck Ricardo and good luck Mano Menezes.

    Will Mano make a good job of it, with Teixeira looking over his shoulder?, insisting on new and younger players being included in the squad. Time will tell.

    Lula wants a winning team for the 2014 World Cup, "nothing less will do" he stated..So an Interesting situation.

    The New look team gets rid of many of the older stars.(not sure about Kaka, he is injured) The latest selection sees eight changes from the team that exited the world cup. With Lucas given a starting roll, A new broom, does appear to sweep clean.

    Alltogether a much more attacking formula. It was interesting to see Lucas deployed as an attacking midfielder, and then after twelve minutes??? Mr Hodgson were you watching?


    From a Liverpool point of view, who openend the scoring in the friendly 3-0 win over a Barcelona B team in Spain?



    Flamengo, last seasons champions, have gone into meltdown, (see the story below) Corinthion and Flumenese are leading the pack, whilst Flamengo are hovering above the relagation zone..

    So much have Flamengo fallen from grace, the cartoon in the National sports journal on weds, was of a Flamengo aged bird, attempting to take a penalty. The problem was all the yellow police "do not enter this area" tape.covering the goal. Which relates to only one goal in seven matches, and their goal keeper being in prison. see below.


    Other news.

    The Bruno Saga.

    True life can be stranger than fiction. Anybody looking for a good screenplay for a movie?

    Edited and up-dated from my previous thread, "Nrws from Brazil".

    A few months back, the Flamengo goalkeeper, Bruno Souza, was taken into police custody. The police are investigating the disappearance of Brunos ex lover, twenty five year old Eliza Samudio, a "model" and mother of Brunos' baby. She has been missing since "approx" 4/5th June.

    Bruno is married to Dayanne Rodrigues do Carmo Souza, with whom he has two children..

    Bruno told the police he had not spoken to Eliza, or seen her, for over a month, and had no idea where she could be..

    It was later revealed, Bruno had lied: Mobile telephone records proved that he had called Eliza (or at least her mobile telephone), on the 9th of June, and had a lengthy conversation. When this fact was put to Bruno, he said he had a bad memory, and had "forgotten" the conversation, but now reminded of it, he said Eliza was in Rio when he spoke to her, about maintenance payments for the child.

    On further investigation, the police found that when this call to Elizas' phone was made, records proved that she, (or at least the telephone), was less than ten miles from Brunos house.(which is a long way from Rio); It is the last recorded use of the telephone.

    Day two. A "friend" of Eliza, claims she had taken part in "threesomes" with Bruno and Eliza. Bruno denies ever having met the girl (name withheld).

    Day three. Brunos imported Range Rover is impounded by the police. There are blood stains on the passenger seat, and on the door material. Brunos wife Dayanne, states to the police, that these are due to her purchasing some frozen meat. Which "thawed out" whilst she had lunch with a friend, she had not had time to clean the car. The blood is later proved to be human. DNA tests are asked for, with samples being taken from Bruno, Elizas child, and Elizas parents.

    Day four. It is revealed, that Elizas' "model work" was in fact as a porno star, and prostitute. This disproves Brunos account of how they first met. Because Bruno had "downloaded" her films three months before he, as claimed; "happened to meet her by chance in a nightclub", and didn't know anything about her "acting career" . Also, before meeting in the club, he had contacted her by use of his mobile phone..

    Day five. With new proof, Bruno has to admit, he was involved in "group sex/orgies" with Eliza and implicates other Flamengo players. (names withheld).

    It is further revealed, that these "orgies" took place over a period of some weeks, around the time that Eliza became pregnant. Bruno had expressed doubts, that perhaps he was not the father, of the child. but DNA tesys proved he was.

    Elizas solicitor meanwhile, tells police, that the paternity monies as required by the law of Brazil, would amount to "approx" 30% of Brunos R$200.000 a month salary. And that Bruno had been informed of this fact. He is already paying 30% to his ex wife.

    Day six. Elizas father is told he must hand over the child; to Elizas Mother. Reason being, the father is a suspected paedophile, who had spent time in prision on charges of the rape of a ten year old girl. A case that never got to trial, as the parents of the child refused to allow her to give evidence. (I told you this was a complicated story, it gets worse).

    It should be noted, that Elizas' mother, left the family home when Eliza was a child. And had little or no, contact with her. Later the Mother files for legal custody of Bruninho,(the child) If she gets this, she gets the paternity monies. So are her actions purly "maternal instinct" as she claims?

    Day seven. Brunos seventeen year old cousin,(juvenile, name withheld) talks to the police. He states that he was involved in the murder and disposal of the body. That a "lifelong friend" of Brunos, Macarrao, asked him to go with him in Brunos Range Rover, to Rio, to collect Eliza, who had earlier telephoned Macarro in an attempt to resolve the paternity (money) issue of the child, and how much Bruno would have to pay. ie "negotiate a lower figure"..

    Day Eight, Police continue the search for Elizas' body. A pair of glasses and a single sandal, found in Brunos Range Rover, are identified as hers, by her mother..

    Two other juviniles come forward, (names withheld) they state they were paid R$3000.00 each by Bruno, to "cut the meat" off Elizas body. Which was then fed to dogs, Pit Bulls and a Rottweilers. Now the search is switched to the "rest" of the corpse.

    Day nine, Brunos' ex wife, is taken into custody, she has been proven to have lied about both her whereabouts and Brunos' (false alibis' also the blood stains); on the assumed day of the kidnapping/murder 4th June ##. (remember Elizas phone was still in action on the 9th; It is said the cousin states that he and Macarro travelled to Rio on the 4th, and "collected" Eliza, (some reports question if she was abducted) from a hotel. That Macarro strangled Eliza,, with an arm lock, untl she lost conciousness. And she later died.

    ## Later evidence proved they were all in a Motel room together, and the staff went to the room on three occassions, to ask them to keep the noise, "screaming" down.
    More of that to follow.

    Day ten. The police release a video of Eliza, in it, she states that when she was five months pregnant, Macarro and Bruno abducted her from Rio, took her to an apartment, poured drink and drugs into her, in an attempt to abort the baby. Samples of urine which had been stored by her Doctor, show traces of drugs and alcohol which would confirm this accusation.

    Day Eleven. Bruno and Macarro go missing. A nationwide manhunt is launched. Brunos wife is released without charge.
    Later that night, Bruno gives himself up to the police.

    Today. Bruno is still being held in Nelson prison. along with others accused of the crime. Awaiting trial.

    Many differing stories as to who "allegedly" committed the murder abound. And remember, no body has yet been found.

    Did Bruno order her to be killed?, was it a violent struggle which had a tragic outcome.The police are still trying to find out the truth, from all teh differing stories.. They have ruled out Brunos wife from the actual murder, but she may be charged with (equivalent of) perverting the course of Justice.

    All in all, a very strange tale. Stranger for it being a true story. Much of the news is being withheld. But will be released after police complete their investigations. Which may take some time.

    Bruno and Marcarro are currently ibeing held in prison in Rio. They are attending court on further charges relating to the alleged kidnap and torture of Eliza last September. When it is alleged, they forced her to take drugs in an attempt to abort the baby.

    Speculation has it, that because of Brunos' wealth and fame, the support he still has from the Flamengo fans, and his connections with the police, that none of this will ever get to trial.

    But then this is Brazil. I will try to explain more about Brazil in my next Letter.
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    Always an interesting story to be had in Brazil. But holy hell, those men make Rooney and co look like angels.
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    ARRRRRRGGGGGHHH Why is my quote system not working?

    KopiteCrash, Yes there are many strange things in Brazil. A bit like there were in Italy a few years back. And we saw what happened there.

    Money, Money. Money. Has a strange effect on people.

    Murd**** has a lot to answer for, whilst it is nice that the players get a decent wage, some of the monies paid today are just beyond reason. The television rights for one, are all part of it.

    But what do we know, we are just the PAYING football supporters.
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    This last weekend saw some surprising results, in Brazil Serie A. The two teams at the top of the table both lost to lowly teams. Games they were both expected to win.

    The most surprising of which was Athletico-GO, currently in the relegation zone, beating Fluminese, the current leaders 2-1.

    However, the Flus' blushes were spared, as second placed Corinthions lost at home to mid table Gremio, to stay three points adrift, but they do have a game in hand.

    Meanwhile Botagoga had an impressive 2-0 victory over Sao Paulo to keep within four points of the Flus'. And Cruziero are just behind them, on goal difference.

    The Brazilian league is very competitive, it is very difficult to predict results.

    Flamengo, for example, last season' were fourteen points adrift, with ten games to go. Yet they still managed to win the League.

    This season, Flamengo appear to have gone into free-fall, with the departure of Adriano and Vagner Love, the arrest (as mentioned above) of their heroic goalkeeper, on suspicion of murder. And a change in the Manager.

    They did salvage a 2-2 draw on Saturday, mainly due to the efforts of Kleberson, who came on as a second half substitute, and inspirationally transformed the team. Silas still has a lot to learn about his new charges.

    On the subject of Flamengo, I've mentioned in previous posts, that Brazilians are very religious and very superstitious. But try this on for size.

    A national newspaper carried reports, that two Priests, and the Father of Eliza, (the missing, presumed murdered; ex lover of Bruno, the goalkeeper) claim that the "phantom" (spirit or ghost), is the reason for Flamengos loss of form. That she, or her spirit, is watching over them and causing them to lose.

    Don't shoot me guys, I'm only the messenger on that one. No comment.

    On the Liverpool front, nice article, in the monthly "Futi" magazine, regards our new Manager, Mr Hodgson, "Saver of Liverpool", (Saviour) reads the headline. Nothing that has not been reported in the UK press, but it does show how much coverage LFC get in Brazil.

    I've sent the magazine to Roy, perhaps he will get the press office to mention it in a forthcoming match programme. Lucas can always translate it for him.

    Todays headlines are all relating to tonights CL games. "Rafa show us your inter", with a mention as to his first year at Liverpool, can he repeat the feat with Internationale?.

    Much mention has been given to the manc shreck, and his recent escapades with loose women. They do not like him here. They admit he is a good player, but question his intelligence, (don't we all).

    I will qualify that by saying that prostitution is not illegal in Brazil, in fact it is an accepted part of life.

    The concensous of opinion is, he should choose the lady more wisely, especially when given the amount of money he gets paid. Why pick up street women?

    But then look where that got Bruno! Eliza was after all a "high class" (expensive) prostitute


    Well that's about all for now, but please give me some feed-back as to the type of news you would like to hear from Brazil.

    I promise I will respond to all posts.


    From your man in Rio
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    Wow, more scandal than on an american cable soap opera!!!!

    Brazil sounds like an 'interesting' place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweepie View Post
    Wow, more scandal than on an american cable soap opera!!!!

    Brazil sounds like an 'interesting' place.
    Yes tweepie, it is an interesting place, both for good and bad reasons. What people have to remember is that Brazil is a BIG country. it has many different cultures in many different regions.

    I think an American might understand that better than a European. I would not have understood fully whilst still living in Europe. Apart from Russia maybe.

    I will do a post tomorrow on daily life in Brazil, or at least this part of it; although I have travelled extensivly here.

    Meanwhile I would really appreciate some comments from people, as to what you might wish to know about Brazil.

    Or is nobody really interested?, am I am wasting my time with this thread?. Please let me know.

    ps tweepie, loved your "all bets are off" thread. great story.
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    thanks Robin. You are certainly not wasting your time I enjoy reading your posts. Especially the Bruno saga.
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    I've enjoyed reading it Robin. The Flamengo keeper story puts domestic stories to shame.

    I'd like to know a little more about how Brazil have taken their World Cup disappiontment, opinions of Dunga etc.

    Also how strong their teams are compared to other South American?
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    Whilst I will be doing a fuller up-date on my letter from Brazil Tuesday night. (remember I am four hours behind UK time, so it will appear as Weds AM)

    I thought this deserved a post of it's own. Perhaps even a thread of it's own? What do you think?

    An edited transcript of a letter I have sent to C. Purslow, MD.

    Today it was announced that the Argentine club Boca Juniiors, is the wealthiest football club in the whole of the American Continent.

    So you may ask, why should that interest you?

    Well; let us take a brief look as to how they have achieved this status, and further, how they are continuing to improve this status and the fortunes and team.

    The Brazil Government has now granted Boca Juniours permission to open, football acadamy s' and franchises in Brazil. The first will open this Saturday 2nd October, with a total of twelve planned by Augaust 2011.

    They currently have other franchises' and football acadamys' in eight other Countries. Stretching from the USA to South Korea. With plans to open more in ten other countries. These include Canada, Costa Rica, Panama and Vietnam.

    This is part of their "Global Awareness" programme. To sell merchandise, attract a larger Worldwide fan base, and to attract young talent to the team.

    A spokesperson stated that the existing training and marketing facilities in Brazil' are very poor. There is great scope in Brazil. People in Brazil spend a large amount of money on football related items. Brazil is a very rapidly growing economy. a very good market for expansion.

    Now, two silly questions, I am sure you will know the answers too.

    Which Major Bank, recently stated, in a number of press releases, that the reason for their sponsorship of Liverpool Football Club, was part of their "Global Awareness" strategy?

    A clue, the players shirts have the name on the front.

    Which Major Bank recently gained (last April) permission, to start bussiness in Brazil.

    A Clue, the initials are S.C.

    Part of your work at LFC involves raising new revenues. I believe this is too good an opportunity to miss.

    Brazil awaits the arrival of LFC.


    Why are Liverpool not expanding into South America?. I have written a letter to you, c/o Roy Hodgson, which gives more details.

    As a long term (1965) LFC Supporter, currently living in Brazil, I assure you there is a great deal of interest in Liverpool F.C.

    My letter to your good self is included with football magazines, which show the amount of interest LFC hold here in Brazil.

    I trust you will take the time to read all of it's contents, and give it your full consideration.


    Thank you, Robin MT.

    More news Tuesday night, about the possible problems at the C.B.F. what is being reported about roony and utd,

    Of course full report on Liverpool here. And some further news on the Bruno case.

    Good morning from your man in Rio.
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    One positive aspect of our partnership with Standard Chartered is that it will help LFC expand in overseas territories where it might otherwise be difficult for the Club to expand it's presence.
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    I always enjoy reading your Brazil stories robinredshanks, the thread in the old World Cup forum was interesting and so is this. Keep posting.

    I would love to know which players in Brazil are good enough to come over and play in the big European leagues. May be you could keep us posted on that too.

    Also, do you get news over there about Riquelme? He is one of my favorite players and I would love to know how he is doing. Any chance of him coming back to Europe?
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    I enjoy reading your posts Robin. Keep them coming.

    The fact that LFC as a brand is not that well marketed in emerging countries is well documented. The potential is there and the interest is definitely there.

    The Mancs have done it better than we have done esp in Asia. I have seen it firsthand in India where I lived for a long time. EPL is the most watched football league and the mancs are the most popular club by a long way.

    We need to catch up quickly in this game or we stand to lose a lot in the coming years in terms of revenue, titles and even our position as one of the top clubs in the world.
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    Keep them coming Robin.

    What's happened to Bruno, mate?
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    Sorry that my recent letters have got "lost in the post" No seriously, I have tried three times to post a long threads this week, each time my IT connection crashed. And last night we had a power cut, which lasted from 6pm until 3am.

    I will spend time Sunday after the game. to bring you up to date.

    Topics include. The Bruno saga,

    Trouble/objections to; the CBF.

    Meltdown at Flamengos? fans demonstrating re Zico getting sacked.

    Plans for the new stadia in Rio and Sao Paulo, for the 2014 WC.

    And general news on other problems regarding the staging of said World Cup, followed by the 2016 Olympics.

    Plus a few other *** bits. Back later, sorry for the delay.

    Your man in Rio
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    Brazilian voters head to the polls Today in an election that takes in all levels of government, from the presidents' office; to local community posts.

    The spotlight is on the presidential race, there are four main (some say nine, but really only four stand a chance) candidates.

    Polls indicate that Dilma Rousseff is in the lead, if the polls are correct, she would become the country's first female president. (this ladies history deserves a thread of its' own)

    Rousseff is the hand-picked successor of The out-going President Lula da Silva, who still has a high rating amongst the Brazilian people..

    President Lola, has steered Brazil into a major global economy*, and his choice for the next president appears to be influencing voters. Which is "par for the course" in Brazil. (see my posts re CBF and Flamengos).

    (*To give you a personal example of this, six years ago, on my first visit to Brazil, I got five Real to the pound. Today, I would only get two pounds fifty pence. Thankfully I transferred all my money at the right time. )

    Brazil now has the world's eighth-largest economy, which has grown 7 percent a year on the back of the current and prospective oil production, added to which, the "Global market" policies have become more open. And the economy is still growing at a fast rate,, seemingly, un-affected by the problems in Europe..

    Worldwide attention will be given to Brazil in the coming years. Who will be hosts to such events as the World Cup in 2014 and the Olympics in 2016.

    Polls open at 8 a.m local time Sunday and close at 5pm.. Voting is mandatory for anyone over 18 and under 70.

    That includes me eeny. meeny miney mo.

    On a personal level. My interest lies in the local prefect. (Lord Mayor) If my friend Sabino gets elected, it could be good news for all concerned. (that's LFC supporters as well) But more of that if and when it happens. Fingers crossed.

    More news later.

    From your man in Rio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt-CM View Post
    I've enjoyed reading it Robin. The Flamengo keeper story puts domestic stories to shame.

    I'd like to know a little more about how Brazil have taken their World Cup disappiontment, opinions of Dunga etc.

    Also how strong their teams are compared to other South American?
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    One positive aspect of our partnership with Standard Chartered is that it will help LFC expand in overseas territories where it might otherwise be difficult for the Club to expand it's presence.
    Hi Matt, I haven't ignored your posts, just been busy, plus problems with power cuts and IP connections. Par for the course in Brazil.

    As to the disappointment of the World Cup. The general public are mostly stoical. I get the general impression that under Dunga, there was not too much expectation. Hope perhaps but that was all.

    The appointment of Mano (The word Mano by the way, is not his real name, it is an affectionate term for "brother") Menezes, at the recommendation of Ricardo Teixeria; has focused the main attention on the current squad and the up-coming friendlies against Iran and Ukraine. (Please note, the Ukraine match is being played at Derby Countys' ground. A good chance to see the Brazil team?).

    The big/contrversal, decision of Mano is the exclusion of Neymar.

    The full squad is as follows.

    Jefferson. (Botafogo) Victor. (Gremio) Neto. (Atletico-PR)

    Daniel Alves (Barcelon) Mariano. (Fluminese) Andre Santos (Fernabahce). Adriano. (Barcelona)


    Thiago Silva (Milan) David Luiz (Benfica) Alex. (Chelsea) Rever (Atleteco-MG).

    Wesley (W.Bremem) LUCAS (LIVERPOOL)* Ramires (Chelsea) Sandro (Tottenham).

    Carlos Eduardo (Ruben Kazan) Elias (Corinthians) Giuliano (Internacionial)BR Phillippe Coutinho (Internazionale)ITA

    Alexandre Pato (Milan) Robinho (Milan) Andre (D. de Kiev) Nilmar (Villarreal)

    Next games, Iran in Abu Dhabi on the 7th. Then Ukraine at Derby Countys' ground. on the 11th.

    * More to report on Lucas. Will come back to that in a later post after todays match.

    This squad, is apparently the nucleus of the sqaud that will contest the World Cup in 2014. Thiago Silva is seen as the "old boy". It appears to be "all change" as far as the Brazil squad are concerned.

    Much was made of the (average) age of the Brazil team players in the World Cup, the belief is that a much younger team is needed.

    Ricardo Teixera stated, at the "launch" of the 2014 World Cup. "For Brazil, not to win the World Cup on it's own soil, would be the biggest sporting tragedy ever to befall Brazil".

    (Personally, I would have thought Ayrton Senna already holds that dubious mante)l.

    Must go if I am to get the papers and back in time for the game.

    Back later.

    From your man in Rio.
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    Nice work Robin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceredred View Post
    Nice work Robin.
    Thanks Ceredred, here is the afternoon delivery.


    Quick bit about the Bruno saga to start with.

    Bruno, along with eight others; is still being held in prison awaiting trial for the alleged kidnapping and murder of his ex girlfriend, Eliza Samudio and mother of his son Bruninho. Still no traces of any body.

    Over the past two weeks he did get out of jail for a short while, for two reasons. Firstly he was admitted to hospital for stomach cramps. Apparently he was used to a carefully prepared, high protein diet; whilst at Flamengo. And prison food does not agree with his system.

    Secondly, he and Macarrao, his life long friend; were taken to Rio to face further charges to an alleged kidnapping and torture of the same lady, last October.

    Eliza, with her solicitor; made a video at the time, stating that she had been forced against her will to drink a cocktail which contained abortive drugs. (she was four months pregnant at the time). A urine sample taken at the time shows proof of said drugs. (how they got there is another question). Elizas' complaints to the police were ignored. (or, as has been asked; did Bruno pay the police off?).

    The result of the hearing is that the Bruno and Macarrao will stand trial on these charges as well as the murder.

    Meanwhile, police visited the house where Bruno was living at the time of his arrest,(there is some question as to whether Bruno still owns the house). They were following up complaints from neighbours. The police found the house was being used as a brothal. The twenty six year old landlord, Rafael Rodrigo Ferreira Lins; admitted renting rooms to four young ladies, but insisted he received no money from their work, nor was he aware what they were doing. Rafael is said to be paying Three thousand Real rent per month, (approx 2.7 Real per Pound) and the ladies were said to be charging fifty Real per client.

    Rafael stated that "many local police visit here every week, they have been very helpful".

    And that leads me to Flamengo. Last years Serie A Champions are languishing in 15th spot, two places and three points, above the relegation zone.

    Not only did they lose their goalkeeper, Bruno; during the summer, they also lost two star players, Adriano,(Roma) and Wagner Love (CSKA Moscow).

    Both left amid accusations of drug trafficking and illegal arms carrying. (the excuse for the guns, was that they were used by bodyguards when visiting Rio nightclubs). They will face charges if and when they return to Brazil.

    Zico was bought back into the club in July, as Technical Director; to try and stem the rot. (Now for those of you who don't know who Zico is, well let's just say he is to Flamengo supporters what King Kenny is to Liverpool supporters. During his playing time at Flamengo, he averaged .69 goals a game. approx 400 games in total. He also played in three World Cups for Brazil).

    He has coached teams as far afield as Japan to Russia and Greece. With moderate success. But suffice to say, he does know a thing or two about football.

    Flamengo have not only lost the above mentioned players, their "home" ground Maracana, has been closed for refurbishment; for the 2014 World Cup. So they have to search around, game by game, to play "home" games.

    They have also had a change of Manager, with Silas taking charge in July.

    On Tuesday night, Flamengo scrapped a 1-1 draw with Goias. The goal they conceded was an own goal, (Jean) and the goal they scored came in extra time in the second half.

    That was the third time in four games when a "last gasp goal" saved a point.

    In the post match press conference Silas berated the players, Jean came in for particular criticism. This led to a very public row, which Zico got involved in.

    Zico did not think Silas was doing a good enough job, (9 games, 3 draws 1 win 5 lost). Also he did not like Silas berating the players in public, when he (Silas) as a Trainer, was clearly not doing an adequate job.

    On Thursday, Zico visited the traning ground, Silas asked him, (overheard by press) "what the ******* are you doing here, this has nothing to do with you". (that's not word for word, the Brazillian dosn't really translate, but it's close enough) "this is my training ground" Silas continued "you have no right to be here". A huge row then evolved in front of the players and press.

    Well although Silas later apologised, Zico was not happy, and threatened to leave the club. He felt his position had been undermined, and wanted the Board to take action, back him up in the job he was bought in to do.

    Well on Thursday night, the directors did take action. They sent Zico a text message, on his mobile, to tell him he was sacked.

    On Friday over 2000 fans gathered outside the teams offices, brandishing huge banners in support of Zico, and declaring war on the clubs directors. Most of the chants were directed at Leonardo Ribeiro, the financial director, who was seen as the principal (money issues) reason, behind for the clubs decision.

    Due to the close ties between Zico and Silas, it is thought that Silas' days are also numbered.

    And you think we have problems at Liverpool.

    This would all make a good soap opera, trouble is, it's all true.

    Gotta go, another power cut, my battery is running low, back with news of the CBF and more, as and when I have some power.

    From your man in Rio.
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    Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, I do apologise, I should have posted this yesterday, but something else came up, another matter which took my interest, Something to do with a Mr Henry. Can't understand why that should interest me.

    On to the news. There is so much to report I might have to split this into three or four letters.

    To start with, the elections are over, oops' no they're not. it was a split vote, so it's back to the polls on the 31st. With three candidates left in the running. I won't bore you with the details, I am sure most of you don't really care who the next president of Brazil is. (let me know if you do).

    But you should care, why? because Brazil is the fastest emerging "third world" country. Hosts' of the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics.

    Forget your eastern Asian/China groups. Brazil is where it is all happening.

    But unless I'm asked. I will leave that point alone.

    On the local scene, "Sabino" was elected as the prefect (Mayor) of Rio das Ostras, which is good news. It is good news because he is a friend of mine, and he wants to put money into the City. For tourism and other suchlike.

    More of that next week when I have had a chance to meet with him.

    Meanwhile, over at the troubled Flamengos, as I mentioned earlier, Silas' position was in danger, and sure enough, the powers that be gave him the big wellie. Ten games in charge, six draws, three lost and one win.

    The new man in charge is Vanderlei Luxemburgo. This gentleman has a long history, ranging from his playing career to his managerial career, which included Real Madrid for a short time. Here is a brief history

    Vanderlei Luxemburgo has returned to Flamengo, after agreeing to help the struggling Rio de Janeiro outfit.

    The ex-Real Madrid, Santos and Palmeiras trainer signed a contract with the 'Rubro-Negro', who recently dispensed with the services of coach Silas and technical director Zico after an awful run of form.

    Luxemburgo started work immediately at the club, with whom he spent six years as a player and two previous short spells in the 90's as trainer.

    The 58-year-old, whose last job was with Atletico Mineiro, is one of the most successful trainers in Brazilian history, and with five Serie A titles has won more national championships than anyone else. He has also lifted 14 state championships with various clubs over a long career on the bench, and as Brazil coach also won the 1999 Copa America.

    Luxemburgo joins a Flamengo team that despite high-profile signings such as Diogo and Deivid has endured a torrid run of form of late. The Rio side are currently 15th in the table, four points away from the relegation zone and with one win in the last 12 games.

    Meanwhile, the ex Presidente of Flamengos' Delair Dumbrosck, launched a scathing attack on the current administration and the present President of the club, Patricia Amorim.

    He said, "She dosn't know how to fly a glider, and she is in a large Boeing".

    Zico meanwhile, remember him? has stated that he will run for the Presidency of the club in 2012. (you can't keep a good man down, he doesn't need the money, he just loves the club). Remind you of anyone


    Back later with news of the criticism of Ricardo Teixera and the CBF. Also news on the international squad who will be in England next week, (Derby County ground) Right now, I must get some sleep, been up since six am and now it's midnight. Goodnight folks.

    From your man in Rio, loud snores
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    Brazil is certainly interesting

    good thread.
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    Wasn't Luxemburgo tipped a while back to take over the national team???
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    Quote Originally Posted by vis1984 View Post
    I enjoy reading your posts Robin. Keep them coming.

    The fact that LFC as a brand is not that well marketed in emerging countries is well documented. The potential is there and the interest is definitely there.

    The Mancs have done it better than we have done esp in Asia. I have seen it firsthand in India where I lived for a long time. EPL is the most watched football league and the mancs are the most popular club by a long way.

    We need to catch up quickly in this game or we stand to lose a lot in the coming years in terms of revenue, titles and even our position as one of the top clubs in the world.
    I have worked in many countries over recent years, including India and Brazil fairly recently, and there is definately scope for better selling of the LFC brand. The response to the fact that you are a Liverpudlian and support the Reds is always positive and excited, but having said that the Mancs then always tend to enter the conversation! We do need to be more proactive and I agree there is massive commercial and prestige related benefits to be had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vis1984 View Post
    Wasn't Luxemburgo tipped a while back to take over the national team???

    Hi Vis, this is from my previous post.

    as Brazil coach also won the 1999 Copa America.

    In answer to your question, yes he was considered, along with Phillipe Scholari for the post.

    Ricardo Teixera, President of the C.B.F. wanted someone to take the team forward to the next world cup. (more in a later post). Luxemburgo has a bad "staying" record. Most of his managerial jobs have been short term. So he was out of the contest.

    Scholari is not enough of a "yes man" to suit Ricardo Teixera. Again more in a later post.
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    Hello folks, greetings from Brazil. Appologies for the delay in my letters, work and other matters got in the way, I will now try to catch up with all the news from Rio/Brazil.

    Well, let's start with what they are saying about Liverpool here, both our players, and the proposed takeover.

    Far be it for me to tell people what to post on these boards, but you might wish to bear the following statements in mind. I will leave it to your individual judgement as to if you take it into account, with your future posts/comments.

    Remember, I am just reporting here, these are not my personal opinions/words. You will know if it is my personal comment.

    After the announcement of the latest Brazil squad, to face Iran and Ukraine, Mano Menezes was interviewed by "Lance" the national sports journal.

    Now I will first of all state, that "Lance" is a very honest journal. They tape all interviews, and comments and opinions are kept apart from the actual interview. Because they are honest in what they print/quote, managers and players are happy to talk to them, knowing they will not be miss-quoted.

    First of all we must remember that Neymar was not picked for the squad, much to many peoples surprise.

    The question put to Meneezes was this, "How do you justify leaving out certain players from the squad, yet including certain players that are ridiculed by the fans of the team they play for"?


    And here is the rub. Manos' response was,

    "Players like Lucas are fundamental to the team, they are sometimes not played in the best positions by the clubs they play for, but they are good team players, and a crucial part of our plans to win the World Cup in 2014".

    Now; I had no idea why he should single out Lucas here, but I did have my suspicions, and the past two days events look to confirm my suspicions.

    Headline in Thursdays' "Lance" NOVA ERA VERMELHA That translates as New Era for the Reds.

    This article is a full page spread, on the proposed takeover of LFC by John W Henry and NESV.

    The article gives full details of how Hicks and Gillet burdened the club with debt, It states that without a new owner/investment, clearing of debt, that LFC might follow Leeds Utd. and Portsmouth into administraion.

    But most of that I am sure is being spouted in the English/UK press. So not worth repeating here.

    The interesting point was this, and I quote.

    "The majority of fans on the "social network" (LFC web sites) are opposed to the sale to J.W.Henry and NESV, the main worry for the supporters appears to be it is just another North American, and the supporters state that North Americans do not understand the game of football the History of Liverpool F.C. or the workings of the EPL".

    As I stated, I am just reporting, but it would appear that our web sites are being watched/read by many people, not just the UK press.

    Make of it what you wish, but perhaps we should all bear this in mind when posting.

    If you have read my previous posts, you will know that L.F.C. get good press here in Brazil, most of it is 100% positive. Let's not give them a reason to change their point of view, PLEASE!

    Back later

    From yor Man in Rio
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    Latest Update.

    No doubt you are all aware that Brazil beat Iran 3-0, just interested to know if many people watched it? and will you be watching Mondays game against Ukraine, being played in Derby?.

    Our man Lucas had a good game, but he did look very tired when he was substituted ten mins from time. Guess it was the heat getting to him.

    The Brazil squad arrived in the UK this afternoon and they all feel very cold.

    They have just left 36 degrees to arrive in Uk 15 degrees. Quite a shock to the system

    The positive points taken from the game were the way that Mano changed the formation at half time, plus his use of substitutes.

    Daniels free kick was supurb, the move through the middle was a great foil to any offside trap, to set up the second goal. The third goal, a good cross from the left, to an un-marked Nilmar, who came on for Robinho; was a well worked goal.

    Poor Iran, through on goal in the last min, one on one with the goalkeeper, and the guy shot wide

    That was to be the last kick of the game.

    The after games celebrations were a joy to watch, why can't all football game be played with that spirit. Competitive, but intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roots-Rock-Reggae View Post
    Brazil is certainly interesting

    good thread.
    Thanks for the feed back. I love your user name.
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    Liverpool Football Club. The view from Brazil

    Lots to report from Brazil, just been so busy, and of course involved in all the proposed takeover threads. Fingers crossed for Tuesday.

    But I thought todays' report in "Lance" (national sports daily) would be of interest to you all.

    As I have mentioned in many posts, Liverpool FC are very highly respected here in Brazil. Much more so than any other EPL team. We get more press coverage, and over the last two years almost every game was shown live.

    Todays "Lance" has a full page article regarding the proposed takeover and Hicks objections to it.

    I won't bore you with the details we all know from the forums or UK media, I just want to report on some facts and opinions held here, that you might not get in other media reports.

    The report carries a photograph of Hicks holding a Liverpool scarf and smiling. The comment below states, "Tom Hicks, one of the owners of Liverpool, he has nothing to smile about".

    The headline for the article reads, "The worst crisis ever".

    They then give a full report on Mr Broughton, RBS, and the impending court case. Very well informed with all the facts.

    The comment, from Darren Lewis, Daily Mirror is quoted, stating that to Hicks, it is all about not losing money. (well I think we all know that thank you Darren).

    So OK we know all that. Just like to let you know we get good coverage here.

    Now to the bits you may not be aware of.

    In 1999 Hicks gained a stake in Corinthions, a Sao Paulo (Paulista) team, with promise of investment and a new stadium etc.

    But when he decided it was time to leave, he forced the sale of all the best players, sifting the money away to a tax free haven. And it is said, he did not pay his taxes here in Brazil.

    The result for Corinthians was devastating, they ended up getting relegated.

    Thankfully, for them; they have regained Serie A status, and are currently third in the Championship, five points behind leaders Cruzeiro,with a game in hand. 'Tho they did lose 3-4 yesterday to Atletico-Go.

    Further mention is given to his dealings in the USA, Texas Rangers etc.

    It is said that many death threats were made, from Corinthian supporters, and (you'll like this bit), they have been renewed by the same fans, who sympatise with the problems at Liverpool. (these threats are not to be taken lightly). Nice to know other fans here think of us.

    The question is being asked, both in the press, and in TV sports programmes, "How was he allowed, given his history, to gain control of the most successful and famous EPL Club". (that's what we would all like to know).

    Tom Hicks is not welcome in Brazil, (to put it mildly) it is said he would not be able to enter the country without a police escort. And they might arrest him for the alleged tax evasion charges. (O, I would love to see him end up in a cell with Bruno).

    Mention is also given to the impending rules re playing in Europe, that come into effect in 2012. They state that Liverpool are not the only Club who have financial problems, and cite both of the Manc clubs.

    Plus a small mention as to the plight of Portsmouth, and the threat of administration

    Bottom line, just to let you know, the people here in Brazil, think a lot about Liverpool Football Club.

    Watching The Ukraine match as I type this, Lucas is having a good game, but as soon as he first touched the ball, mention was made of the court case.

    Daniel Alves got the first goal. And I think it was Pato who just shot against the post.

    Back later, this game looks good to watch
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    Brazil 2 Ukraine 0

    So for the third game under Mano Menezes, Brazil win. Seven goals scored, none conceded. Not a bad start.

    From a Liverpool point of view, Lucas had a very good game, he started both of the moves off for the two goals. Not assists, but his passes forward got the attack going.

    He also had a good run on goal from the half way line, only to shoot a slightly scuffed shot straight at the goalkeeper. Over-ran himself a bit.

    Then a supureb run and a long pass out to the right, but the cross was over-hit.

    Interviewed after the game, he said he enjoyed playing under Mano, who gives him freedom to go forward, and a less restricted role in midfield.

    Seems like more of an attacking midfielder than defensive under Manos' wing.

    To be fair to Ukraine, they had a first half goal dis-allowd which looked perfectly good. Even the commentators here said there was no reason to not give the goal.

    Next up, Argentina, November 15th. That should be an interesting test.
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    Just noticed, the thread has had more than 2000 views, but I'm getting very little feed back from you all on the sort of things you want to know about Football, etc in Brazil.

    Please let me know what you are interested in. I will be covering other South American teams over the next week.

    Later today, I will give you news of the criticism being aimed at Ricardo Teixeira, the head of the CBF. Plus more news on the Bruno saga.

    How much of what I write here is reported in the UK or other press/countries?. I would be grateful for your comments. Then I can look for the stories that are of more interest.
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    Love the updates, always interesting to hear about Brazillian football. Brazil look like they are going to thrive under Mano, and Lucas is going to benefit from the experience immensely (hopefully). Who do you support over there Robin? And who is your favorite Brazillian player? (I know right? So origional...)
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