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hows that...i have just said and shown the kind of pressure sachin faces every second to deliver and deliver in style !!!...if he was a south african where pressures isnt high he will keep delivering in every position without a doubt....sachin is just too classy to play anywhere unlike kallis....Originally Posted by RedMammoth
You're getting more and more vague, random and hypothetical. Why dont we stick to what we actually know and can show.
everything cant be shown,it has to be felt...i know its vague but thats how it is is..its like saying luis isnt classy as he has lesser goals than some other strikers....it can be clearly felt that he is classy even though the stas dont show it !!!!
will you say yakuba is classier than luis just becasue stats show more goals?...no...same is the case with sachin and kallis....
I was answering your assertion that Kallis couldn't open! WTF has Test cricket comparisons got to do with this - Sachin doesn't open in Test does he??! I'm completely bemused by your postings sometimes.
you cant use t-20 to show kallis' capability FFS !!!..stop it....anyone can swing his bat in t-20 which is a game of swinging the bat anyway and getting some cheap runs !!!!......test is and will always reamin the ultimate step where players are judged !!!
Of course not. Football stats show far less of the picture than cricket stats do. In cricket if you dont do well your stats will be poor. If you do succeed your stats will be good. Not necessarily directly the case in football.
Tendulkar is an outstanding player and deserves huge credit. I just think that judging purely as a cricketer, Kallis edges him. Especially in Tests.
So why have you spent most of the last page talking about ODI's to prove Tendulkar's superiority?
we can argue all night mate but still wont agree....anyways stats cant be used selectively only in cricket as you say....imo stats show only a limited picture....greatness has to be felt !!!!
So in effect you admit you cant construct a good enough argument for Tendulkar being better...
becuause ODI is difficult and classier than this stupid t-20 circus !!!!..it atleast has the challenges unlike this t-20 circus where class doesnt matter....its "hit or miss" circus....So why have you spent most of the last page talking about ODI's to prove Tendulkar's superiority?
Pick and choose.
like i have said stats show only a limited picture and if stats were used most batsman would be ahead of bradman in almost all aspects expect average and i dont belive that !!!...bradman and sachin are at a higher level than rest !!!...
How about taking a break from all of this arguing and take a look at this piece of awesomeness.
I'm sorry but you've completely lost me.
The whole basis of the most recent discussion was to do with Kallis's so-called lack of versatility. When I pointed out that he opens (pretty successfully) in T20s you are now harping on about Test cricket.
So for the avoidance of any doubt:
Kallis doesn't open in Tests. Agreed?
Sachin doesn't open in Tests. Agreed?
They both bat in the middle order and they both do the job remarkably well.
You favour Sachin & that is your opinion. Myself & Redmammoth appear to favour Kallis so that should be the end to it. There's no need to keep stumping up worthless and vague romantic notions to try to back up your opinion as they are lacking in true basis. We see things differently & so be it - OK?
Please let this be an end to this completely redundant part of the discussion.
ODI requires planning and strategising...you cant survive 50 overs without that,unlike t-20 !!!....for the sam reason sachin has decided not to play in this circus of t-20....
Other than those 60 T20 games he's played in his career...
agreed to this.....btw sachin has opened in tests.....its just that sehwag is much more dangerous...sachin is well capable of opening again unlike kallis.....this is my last say.....we will agree to disagree....I'm sorry but you've completely lost me.
The whole basis of the most recent discussion was to do with Kallis's so-called lack of versatility. When I pointed out that he opens (pretty successfully) in T20s you are now harping on about Test cricket.
So for the avoidance of any doubt:
Kallis doesn't open in Tests. Agreed?
Sachin doesn't open in Tests. Agreed?
They both bat in the middle order and they both do the job remarkably well.
You favour Sachin & that is your opinion. Myself & Redmammoth appear to favour Kallis so that should be the end to it. We see things differently & so be it - OK?
Please let this be an end to this completely redundant part of the discussion
shame that he took 60 games to realise just how pathetic it is,...he is much smarter than that !!!
That is absolutely unreal. The initial catch was very tough but to get the ball away in such a short time is ridiculous. Astonishing.
Once. Ever.
And there is where you've continually missed the point.
Most pundits / experts refer to average as the key benchmark of a players greatness. End of. After that probably comes 100s scored, but it's the average that counts for most.
Mark Waugh was one of the most graceful players there's been. In terms of greatness though, Dravid will always be considered above him as he is so highly regarded in terms of average & technique (amongst other things). Waugh was far more versatile (one of your criteria) and I'd rather watch Waugh bat all day, but I know who I'd prefer to have bat for my life week after week & the stats bear this out too.
Abhi8, man, You need to respect the opinion of others. So, You think Tendulkar is the greatest batsman of all time, and I can understand why. He has been a stalwart for you guys for the past 20 years. Similar to why, I'd always regard Wasim Akram as the greatest bowler of all-time, and of course I'm biased. But just calm down for a second, and just look at Kallis' stats.
They do compare remarkably well to Sachin's. And as one of my fellow poster compared Mark Waugh, with Dravid, I think that's the perfect example. Kallis may not be the most stylish but he is incredibly effective. As a cricketer, I would always have him over anyone else in the world, because He'd guarantee wickets, runs, and experience. As a batsman, I don't think, there's much to separate between the two. Both are class. Both players will be regarded by their respective nations as the best to have played for their countries. I don't see why You're hell bent on changing our opinions on Kallis being better than Tendulkar, as its really not as simple as you make out.
i agree...class bowler..though murlidharan has stats back him up akram has that class which can be felt !!!!
And he didn't chuck it!!
OK that was a low blow - but I'd have Warne above Murali any day of the week when it comes to spinners.
The Warne-Murali argument is like the Sachin-Kallis argument. Except that Warne doesn't come close to Murali in terms of stats. And Murali comes nowhere near Warne, in terms of style and charisma.And he didn't chuck it!!
OK that was a low blow - but I'd have Warne above Murali any day of the week when it comes to spinners.
Absolutely agree, but I will always consider Murali as a chucker, no matter what they say to the contrary. The laws were changed as the ICC got scared of alienating him IMO, but good luck to the guy - he certainly was a master of his craft.
Warne was also a blinding fielder, an excellent skipper and a more than decent batsman.
i wont have warne simply because murli gets more wickets !!!!..but yeah i would put warne above murli in classiness...imo sachin warne contest is the best cricketing moment in my life,especially their mutual respect !!!!..that sweep in chennai off the rough by sachin is THE shot for me ever !!!!And he didn't chuck it!!
OK that was a low blow - but I'd have Warne above Murali any day of the week when it comes to spinners.
Murali may have the better stats, but I still think that Warne is the better bowler by a margin. he also adds far more in the field and with the bat.
I really don't think You can say he's the better bowler by a margin, when he has 300-400 wickets over Warne.
Sri Lanka is one of the cricketing nations known for having wickets that favour spinners. Australia isn't.
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