Which players in the premiership would you class as world class ?

[MonsterCarroll]

Forwards (in no p order)

Suarez
RVP
Drogba (maybe past it)
Torres (maybe past it/not right mentally)
Rooney
Tevez
Augero



Midfielders

Gerrard (maybe past it)
Lampard (maybe past it)
Fabregas
Silva
Essien (maybe past it)

Defenders

Ivanovic
Glen Johnson
Evra
Vidic
Cole
Terry (maybe past it)
Kompany


Keepers

Cech
Reina


Players that You think could become world class or are just in the bracket below/Great potential :

VDV
Bale
Modric
Nasri
A.Johnson ?
Clichy
Toure
Toure
De Jong
Bent ?
Luiz
Baines ?
Agger
Carroll ?
Raul
Lucas ?
Balotelli ?
Nani ?
Hernandez
Berbatov
Ramsey
Wilshire
Smalling ?
Jones?
Kelly?
De gea
Hart

Honourable Mentions

Carra
Giggs
ect

Basically who do you think can de defined as your definition of World class and how do you see certain players developing ? For instance i can't see Bale, Balotelli or Smalling reaching their true potential.

Also sorry if i missed anybody you seem to rate,these are just my opinions
Also there is still time for Dzeko ect to live up to the hype.

[TheRealSheepHead]

Forwards (in no p order)

Suarez
RVP
Drogba (maybe past it)
Torres (maybe past it/not right mentally)
Rooney
Tevez
Augero



Midfielders

Gerrard (maybe past it)
Lampard (maybe past it)
Fabregas
Silva
Essien (maybe past it)

Defenders

Ivanovic
Glen Johnson
Evra
Vidic
Cole
Terry (maybe past it)
Kompany


Keepers

Cech
Reina


Players that You think could become world class or are just in the bracket below/Great potential :

VDV
Bale
Modric
Nasri
A.Johnson ?
Clichy
Toure
Toure
De Jong
Bent ?
Luiz
Baines ?
Agger
Carroll ?
Raul
Lucas ?
Balotelli ?
Nani ?
Hernandez
Berbatov
Ramsey
Wilshire
Smalling ?
Jones?
Kelly?
De gea
Hart

Honourable Mentions

Carra
Giggs
ect

Basically who do you think can de defined as your definition of World class and how do you see certain players developing ? For instance i can't see Bale, Balotelli or Smalling reaching their true potential.

Also sorry if i missed anybody you seem to rate,these are just my opinions
Also there is still time for Dzeko ect to live up to the hype.

Hardly any of them.

[davethescrew]

Ivanovic ????
Haha, I though you were being serious for a minute

[MonsterCarroll]

Hardly any of them.

I know what you are saying, but what i want to know is what people truly class/define as world class. I have seen that phrase banded around about almost all of those players. Care to elaborate ?

[MonsterCarroll]

Ivanovic ????
Haha, I though you were being serious for a minute

Do you seriously not rate him ? Top class defender imo.

[TheRealSheepHead]

I know what you are saying, but what i want to know is what people truly class/define as world class. I have seen that phrase banded around about almost all of those players. Care to elaborate ?

Well the term 'world class' is massively overused. Using common sense I guess the phrase means the best, or one of the best, in the world in that position.

There aren't many players in the Premier League that you could really say that about.

[davethescrew]

Do you seriously not rate him ? Top class defender imo.

I'd rather have G.Johnson who is by no means world class

[davethescrew]

Well the term 'world class' is massively overused. Using common sense I guess the phrase means the best, or one of the best, in the world in that position.

There aren't many players in the Premier League that you could really say that about.

Exactly, well said

[MonsterCarroll]

Well the term 'world class' is massively overused. Using common sense I guess the phrase means the best, or one of the best, in the world in that position.

There aren't many players in the Premier League that you could really say that about.

Exactly,it's exceptionally over used,perhaps i didn't title this thread very well.What Players would you say are world class? Would you class Suarez as world class, for example ?

[MonsterCarroll]

I'd rather have G.Johnson who is by no means world class

Mmmmm What right full backs would you say are ?

Maicon ?
Zanetti ?
Alves ?

Because other than those i personally can't think of many better, or maybe that is just me.
With Liverpool tinted glasses on.

[TheRealSheepHead]

Exactly,it's exceptionally over used,perhaps i didn't title this thread very well.What Players would you say are world class? Would you class Suarez as world class, for example ?

I'd say he's going to be, he has 'world class' ability. If he performs at the same level this season as he did last season, it'd be hard to argue that he isn't world class. He just fulfills all the criteria.

. Proven internationally.
. Proven in one of the 'Big 4' leagues.
. Does the business against the best sides domestically and internationally.

When I say he has 'world class ability', it's because in my opinion there is a difference between having world class ability and actually BEING world class.

[abcwerule]

its overused because there are simply so many players nowadays who play a very high standard of football, 10 years ago you could easily pick the best 11 in the world and there wouldnt be much dispute, however now it is almost impossible to do so as there are probably about 5-10 players in each position who in some peoples opinions would be the best in their position, so therefore pretty much all these players are branded as world class

[MonsterCarroll]

I'd say he's going to be, he has 'world class' ability. If he performs at the same level this season as he did last season, it'd be hard to argue that he isn't world class. He just fulfills all the criteria.

. Proven internationally.
. Proven in one of the 'Big 4' leagues.
. Does the business against the best sides domestically and internationally.

When I say he has 'world class ability', it's because in my opinion there is a difference between having world class ability and actually BEING world class.

I'd agree with that.
Though i think that he will undoubtedly prove himself to be "World Class"
The Copa America has showcased him to the world and given him the attention he deserves.

[TheRealSheepHead]

I'd agree with that.
Though he think that he will undoubtedly prove himself to be "World Class"
The Copa America has showcased him to the world and given him the attention he deserves.

It very much has.

[TheRealSheepHead]

Silva is a world class player.

[MonsterCarroll]

Yes.Much better than Modric, who i don't really understand the hype around.

[Coffeelover]

Mmmmm What right full backs would you say are ?

Maicon ?
Zanetti ?
Alves ?

Because other than those i personally can't think of many better, or maybe that is just me.
With Liverpool tinted glasses on.

The obvious missing name is Phillip Lahm who is right footed and prefers the right side although can play left as well.

World class does not have to mean the best 11 players in the world. It does not have to mean the best player in his position.

World class players are footballers who show a high level of excellence over an extended period of time under all conditions.

There are probably over a 100 players all over the world who are "world class".

These are players who are virtually undroppable, who when you choose your 23 man squad are the first ones chosen.

At the highest level you can't say one player is better then another when they excel in different areas.

If you look at goalkeepers you can see who the managers rate above others.

Pepe Reina is world class but I am not going to rate him as the top goalkeeper, he is just one of an elite group who have performed at a high level consistently.

If you think that "world class" should mean something else like the worlds top few players then you can just say Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta and maybe a couple of others are above everyone else but everyone has a different interpretation.

A great player is just a great player, I am sure many people are watching Manchester City now and they can see David Silva is "special". These are the players that give your team that little bit extra class.

It is a big world out here with an enormous amount of professional footballers, why shouldn't there be around 100 "great" players out there.

[Skelding]

Yes.Much better than Modric, who i don't really understand the hype around.

same here

[MonsterCarroll]

The obvious missing name is Phillip Lahm who is right footed and prefers the right side although can play left as well.

World class does not have to mean the best 11 players in the world. It does not have to mean the best player in his position.

World class players are footballers who show a high level of excellence over an extended period of time under all conditions.

There are probably over a 100 players all over the world who are "world class".

These are players who are virtually undroppable, who when you choose your 23 man squad are the first ones chosen.

At the highest level you can't say one player is better then another when they excel in different areas.

If you look at goalkeepers you can see who the managers rate above others.

Pepe Reina is world class but I am not going to rate him as the top goalkeeper, he is just one of an elite group who have performed at a high level consistently.

If you think that "world class" should mean something else like the worlds top few players then you can just say Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta and maybe a couple of others are above everyone else but everyone has a different interpretation.

A great player is just a great player, I am sure many people are watching Manchester City now and they can see David Silva is "special". These are the players that give your team that little bit extra class.

It is a big world out here with an enormous amount of professional footballers, why shouldn't there be around 100 "great" players out there.

Yes, good points and not sure how i forgot Lahm but for some reason i always seem to think he is a left back though that is because the only time i see him play is for Germany and i watch very little Bundesliga.

[DanCarter]

Forwards (in no p order)

Suarez
RVP
Drogba (maybe past it)
Torres (maybe past it/not right mentally)
Rooney
Tevez
Augero



Midfielders

Gerrard (maybe past it)
Lampard (maybe past it)
Fabregas
Silva
Essien (maybe past it)

Defenders

Ivanovic
Glen Johnson
Evra
Vidic
Cole
Terry (maybe past it)
Kompany

Keepers

Cech
Reina

All those in bold are close to being the top in their position, so should be considered world class

[TheRealSheepHead]

All those in bold are close to being the top in their position, so should be considered world class

Agree with all bar Vidic and Rooney.

[MonsterCarroll]

All those in bold are close to being the top in their position, so should be considered world class

I really do believe that RVP is world class,just can't seem to stay fit and doesn't have the greatest attitude.To put it in perspective if he played for us everybody would say he was world class.

[DanCarter]

I really do believe that RVP is world class,just can't seem to stay fit and doesn't have the greatest attitude.To put it in perspective if he played for us everybody would say he was world class.

If he was less injury prone over the last few seasons then he is a shoe in, so many matches missed by someone so young isn't good, if he was to play a full season he would set the league alight

[DanCarter]

Agree with all bar Vidic and Rooney.

I'll admit Rooney was a push, guess was trying to be as unbiased as possible


Vidic is world class, not many CB's around today who are better than him

[Coffeelover]

I really do believe that RVP is world class,just can't seem to stay fit and doesn't have the greatest attitude.To put it in perspective if he played for us everybody would say he was world class.

Robin van Persie is a world class striker as he is a great frontman but can play deeper, can play as a false nine and can play wide.

If you could guarantee an injury free season he would be a favourite for the top scorer in the Premier League. Van Persie is very highly rated by all experts but is simply injury prone and always needs time to get back to full fitness.

You can just look at his goalscoring record from last year. I would be willing to wager he had the best goal to minute ratio last year as he was injured for a long period of time.

[MonsterCarroll]

I'll admit Rooney was a push, guess was trying to be as unbiased as possible


Vidic is world class, not many CB's around today who are better than him

Sadly on his day Rooney his world class (and i despise him) though i feel the reason many seem to question his ability me included (Not only because he is a Manc) is because of the way he is hyped by the media largely due to the fact that he is considered England's shining light.It has already started to happen with Wilshire and to a degree with Bale (Though he is welsh,but the british thing is still there) For instance, i am not disputing how good Rooney's goal was in the derby last season but how much coverage would it have recieved say had Rodallega scored it ? Not half as much.

[TheRealSheepHead]

Sadly on his day Rooney his world class (and i despise him) though i feel the reason many seem to question his ability me included (Not only because he is a Manc) is because of the way he is hyped by the media largely due to the fact that he is considered England's shining light.It has already started to happen with Wilshire and to a degree with Bale (Though he is welsh,but the british thing is still there) For instance, i am not disputing how good Rooney's goal was in the derby last season but how much coverage would it have recieved say had Rodallega scored it ? Not half as much.

Shinned it.

[MFJTS]

Wayne Rooney.
Gareth Bale.
Fernando Torres (when/if he gets his form back)
Luis Suarez
Didier Drogba
Javier Hernandez
Sergio Aguero
David Silva
Cesc Fabregas

[KopKingFromLondon93]

Forwards (in no p order)

Suarez
RVP
Drogba (maybe past it)
Torres (maybe past it/not right mentally)
Rooney
Tevez
Augero



Midfielders

Gerrard (maybe past it)
Lampard (maybe past it)
Fabregas
Silva
Essien (maybe past it)
Yaya Toure
Nigel De Jong
Modric

Defenders

Ivanovic
Glen Johnson
Evra
Vidic
Cole
Terry (maybe past it)
Kompany


Keepers

Cech
Reina


Players that You think could become world class or are just in the bracket below/Great potential :

VDV
Bale
Modric
Nasri
A.Johnson ?
Clichy
Toure
Toure
De Jong
Bent ?
Luiz
Baines ?
Agger
Carroll ?
Raul
Lucas ?
Balotelli ?
Nani ?
Hernandez
Berbatov
Ramsey
Wilshire
Smalling ?
Jones?
Kelly?
De gea
Hart

Honourable Mentions

Carra
Giggs
ect

Basically who do you think can de defined as your definition of World class and how do you see certain players developing ? For instance i can't see Bale, Balotelli or Smalling reaching their true potential.

Also sorry if i missed anybody you seem to rate,these are just my opinions
Also there is still time for Dzeko ect to live up to the hype.

1. Repped for: the effort u put in

2. players in bold i feel are also world class


but comon you can't say martin kelly is just below world class yet man

[KopKingFromLondon93]

Wayne Rooney.
Gareth Bale.
Fernando Torres (when/if he gets his form back)
Luis Suarez
Didier Drogba
Javier Hernandez
Sergio Aguero
David Silva
Cesc Fabregas

overrated. 1 assist 7 goals doesn't make you pfa player of the year imo. Downing **** over that record last season.