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    Quote Originally Posted by Spcktor View Post
    Okay, he probably does enough this season but i believe its limited compared to last season. When the season started newly, i noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs ever since he got that nasty injury towards the end of last season, i remember seeing Kelly bombard down the right wing frequently and tracking back as quick as possible last season, there's one powerful run he made against everton for example, even Carragher described it as a turbo charged sprint. I dont know if anyone here also noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs or is it just me, he's probably being careful so he doesnt tear another hamstring. He's a very good crosser of the ball, he just lacks technique and ability to create space.
    similar to arbeloa and finnan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spcktor View Post
    Okay, he probably does enough this season but i believe its limited compared to last season. When the season started newly, i noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs ever since he got that nasty injury towards the end of last season, i remember seeing Kelly bombard down the right wing frequently and tracking back as quick as possible last season, there's one powerful run he made against everton for example, even Carragher described it as a turbo charged sprint. I dont know if anyone here also noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs or is it just me, he's probably being careful so he doesnt tear another hamstring. He's a very good crosser of the ball, he just lacks technique and ability to create space.
    I wouldn't go that far...I don't think any of our full backs are good crosser's of the ball, decent at best, maybe average. Not many full backs these days that can cross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamfield View Post
    I hate this thread.

    Kelly will be a great CB for years to come. Let's just leave it at that and let the current best right back in the country get on with playing well.
    this moment in time id pick richards
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    Quote Originally Posted by prayerforliverpool View Post
    this moment in time id pick richards
    Good job I'm the England manager then, isn't it?

    ........................ hang on ......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by STAR137LFC View Post
    He said that Johnson doesn't have many which is true. Thats wasn't Johnson's goal so don't know where you're getting that from. In all competitions this season Johnson has scored 1. So has Kelly btw, but in far fewer games.

    Yesterday is a perfect example of why Johnson is poor at RB. He was constantly being abused by a championship LW just because the guy had a bit of pace and was a little tricky. Kuyt blocked more crosses than Johnson did in only ten mins and Gerrard was more effective at dealing with Lua-Lua.
    He said he had none which is not true. He also said all he does is cut in and shoot with his left foot. Really? All he does? No you're right, it wasn't his goal my mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrhard View Post
    People say Kelly doesn't offer much in attack but he gets forward as much as he can, puts in crosses, gets in the box for headers etc. He does enough.
    He was a lot better going forward when he first broke through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrhard View Post
    I reckon Johnson and Richards would rotate. There is a reason why Johnson is an England regular.
    There are probably a lot of reasons, however that doesn't mean they are good enough reasons.

    There has never been a lot of competition for English RB and there is a bias to selecting players because they come from a team that is already considered a major team in the prem. On top of that we haven't exactly had a great international manager since Johnson has been a regular so he probably gets selected on poor criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamfield View Post
    I hate this thread.

    Kelly will be a great CB for years to come. Let's just leave it at that and let the current best right back in the country get on with playing well.
    What does Micah Richards have to do with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayvonuk View Post
    Me too, Im a big Kelly fan and i also would not pick certain players but you dont see me going on and on about it all the time, i know my place, i know that we know f all about it.
    Any manager can get things wrong and there are so many people on the internet that anything even the best of managers get wrong, someone online will get right. In summary just because Dalglish has a different opinion to someone on the net, doesn't necessarily make that person wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spcktor View Post
    Okay, he probably does enough this season but i believe its limited compared to last season. When the season started newly, i noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs ever since he got that nasty injury towards the end of last season, i remember seeing Kelly bombard down the right wing frequently and tracking back as quick as possible last season, there's one powerful run he made against everton for example, even Carragher described it as a turbo charged sprint. I dont know if anyone here also noticed that Kelly has reduced his attacking runs or is it just me? He's probably being careful so he doesnt tear another hamstring. He's a very good crosser of the ball, he just lacks technique and ability to create space.
    I noticed yeah.

    Not sure if it's because of the injury, because teams defenses have been very well organised against us so he doesn't have space or because even if he bombs it down we don't really have anyone getting into the box to receive the ball.

    Prob the injury though tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrhard View Post
    I wouldn't go that far...I don't think any of our full backs are good crosser's of the ball, decent at best, maybe average. Not many full backs these days that can cross.
    Kelly is if he gets the space to do it, basically he needs to be unmarked and level with the line he wants it, he can cross well but not bend his cross so he doesn't have the variety in the final third he could have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealTalkinRed View Post
    He said he had none which is not true. He also said all he does is cut in and shoot with his left foot. Really? All he does? No you're right, it wasn't his goal my mistake.
    It isn't ALL he does but it is what he does by far the most. The only thing he tends to do with very very few excetions is try to dribble down to the line and bring it back out himself, neither of which are good decisions.
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    If Johnson was pushed up to RM, which I think would be ideal with Bellamy on the left, then Kelly should start...However, I want to see Kelly replace Carragher in the CB role. Coates-Kelly partnership should become the best in Europe. Flannagan looks a menace and will definitely be bidding for starts here in the next 2-3 seasons..Robinson I think too
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    Kelly's defensive ability gets overstated and going forward he is very average.

    Glen for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner1 View Post
    Kelly's defensive ability gets overstated and going forward he is very average.

    Glen for me.
    overstated? fact is hes played against the BIG teams and has nearly on all gave a good account of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prayerforliverpool View Post
    overstated? fact is hes played against the BIG teams and has nearly on all gave a good account of himself.
    So had Johnson.

    Kelly has also had his poor games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner1 View Post
    Kelly's defensive ability gets overstated and going forward he is very average.

    Glen for me.
    Then your opinion of Johnson's defensive ability must be that he's horrendous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner1 View Post
    So had Johnson.

    Kelly has also had his poor games.
    He's had 1 poor game, maybe 2 depending on how you define poor, but even in those games he's never been responsible for us conceding a goal, whereas it's not unusual for Johnson to be.

    How many goals are you willing to concede to have Johnson's attacking play instead of Kelly's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillfc7 View Post
    If Johnson was pushed up to RM, which I think would be ideal with Bellamy on the left, then Kelly should start...However, I want to see Kelly replace Carragher in the CB role. Coates-Kelly partnership should become the best in Europe. Flannagan looks a menace and will definitely be bidding for starts here in the next 2-3 seasons..Robinson I think too
    Johnson isn't good enough to be a winger, he isn't as quick as you think he is and he is a terrible crosser. All he has on his side is his dribbling but that's not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrhard View Post
    Johnson isn't good enough to be a winger, he isn't as quick as you think he is and he is a terrible crosser. All he has on his side is his dribbling but that's not enough.
    I'm glad somebody else has noticed his poor crossing. Usually wayward or worse still that floated cross, just standing it up and absolutely never going to amount to anything. He's decent on the ball, one v one but Kelly is a better defenders, better crosser.

    Stronger from set pieces with Kelly too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner1 View Post
    Kelly's defensive ability gets overstated and going forward he is very average.

    Glen for me.
    I think they're understated. From a defensive point of view his starting position when opponents attack down other flank is much better. Often he'll channel players down the line and reduce the gap between himself and the centre back to create a more solid unit.

    From set pieces he's much better, he defends crosses better and has much more instinctive reactions in the box when it comes to blocking.

    Makes a big difference to our back four but he doesn't have Johnson's technical abilities. He doesn't join in the attack as often but both decent right backs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    I'm glad somebody else has noticed his poor crossing. Usually wayward or worse still that floated cross, just standing it up and absolutely never going to amount to anything. He's decent on the ball, one v one but Kelly is a better defenders, better crosser.

    Stronger from set pieces with Kelly too.
    I pointed out to you earlier how pathetic a statement that is regarding a floated, stood up cross when that is exactly what Carroll needs more of.

    I expect you will ignore this post aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamfield View Post
    I pointed out to you earlier how pathetic a statement that is regarding a floated, stood up cross is, when that is exactly what Carroll needs more of.

    I expect you will ignore this post aswell.
    No it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STAR137LFC View Post
    He's had 1 poor game, maybe 2 depending on how you define poor, but even in those games he's never been responsible for us conceding a goal, whereas it's not unusual for Johnson to be.

    How many goals are you willing to concede to have Johnson's attacking play instead of Kelly's?
    dont remember kelly having any bad games
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    Quote Originally Posted by prayerforliverpool View Post
    dont remember kelly having any bad games
    Nothing particularly bad, but when he returned for us v Tottenham earlier this year it wasn't his best day. That was just presumably because he had been on the bench for some time. Then again, saying that, he played quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christonabendybus View Post
    Nothing particularly bad, but when he returned for us v Tottenham earlier this year it wasn't his best day. That was just presumably because he had been on the bench for some time. Then again, saying that, he played quite well.
    well he might have been caught out a few times, from his inexperience, but was never directly responsible for conceeding a goal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    I'm glad somebody else has noticed his poor crossing. Usually wayward or worse still that floated cross, just standing it up and absolutely never going to amount to anything. He's decent on the ball, one v one but Kelly is a better defenders, better crosser.

    Stronger from set pieces with Kelly too.
    The manager obviously doesn't agree with you because he always picks Johnson over Kelly the majority of the time, in-spite of Johnson small mister-miners he's still our best right-back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prayerforliverpool View Post
    well he might have been caught out a few times, from his inexperience, but was never directly responsible for conceeding a goal
    I don't remember him making an error that led to a goal. I remember that awful, panic attack-inducing backpass v Chelsea, but that was the only notable mistake I remember him doing for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamfield View Post
    I pointed out to you earlier how pathetic a statement that is regarding a floated, stood up cross when that is exactly what Carroll needs more of.

    I expect you will ignore this post aswell.
    That must be why he's scored so many headers for us this season then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by prayerforliverpool View Post
    dont remember kelly having any bad games
    It's the Oldham game people refer to, I don't agree myself but it's easier to argue on their rules than to try and convince them of everything I think.
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