3 negs 3 reps and 2 grey'sOriginally Posted by luis-is-innocent
Andy will become class mark my words
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3 negs 3 reps and 2 grey's
Andy will become class mark my words
No its not but saying that it also doesn't excuse the performances, there are a lot of average players that I would expect more of. At the moment good individual goals aside such as the league cup, Friday night or the first against City his performances haven't rose much above N'Gog.
is this not andys second season with us ?
Agreed, I was just pointing out that he was never a £35m player.
The performances we have been seeing from him at our club don't mirror what he did at Newcastle and that's what's most disappointing for me, he hasn't shown us anything near what he did for them, but I'm still confident he will come good in the end.
Firstly i agree that carroll was over priced at 35 million. but thats what happens when on the last day of the transfer window you sell a player for 50 million, need a replacement 1. to replace the one sold and 2. to appease the fans. we went for a young english striker who at the time was the top scorer in the league of course newcastle were gonna bend us over a barrell.
but when we look at this season (and i dont have the stats) how do carroll and suarez compare this season? we can all talk about suarez skill and quality of which there is no doubt, but what are they paid to do..put the ball in the net. when minutes on the field are counted i would say they have been fairly similar this season. and i dont think we have ever really played to carrolls strengths. the next 7 games are massive for him
I'm confident, if such crazy money would be spent for 3 young players from Brasil (like Ramires from Chelsea) then it would be much more useful for team
You know whats funny? I remember a thread like this, I think it had to do with a certain Lucas. Not to say that Andy will turn out to be like Lucas who IMO is world cass but you never know. Football not always predictable, Milan v Liverpool 2005 final etc.. etc..
As much as we hope Carroll can be the ultimate forward we wish for, we must also understand that with Carroll's physique, he is not the most agile forward you can expect from Michael Owen was of yesteryear. I still find Carroll clumsy and as agile as Mario Gomez (similar type of striker as Carroll) is now.I think after Andy's goal Vs. Oldham i think we have seen glimpses of his true potential which is world class in my opinion.
His twenty yard blasts against Exeter,Man City,and now Oldhamprove that has a cannon of a left boot while his goal against Everton proves he can also be a poacher.
His numerous headers for Newcastle means that he has the whole package on his day and i think this could be the start of him being reborn with the likes of Luis Suarez, Steven Gerrard , Craig Bellamy supplying him.
Rep or Neg me if you think i am taking the **** but at the end of the day i am posting my opinion and i believe we could have a world class striker on our hands YNWA
Andy just needs a few goals with some better service the goals will come. he was a beast at Newcastle because they were playing to his strengths he will never succeed in this team with the static crosses And balls we are hoofing up to him we need quick whipped in crosses those r the ones Carrol thrives on.like the type of balls that Stevie did v Newcastle i have faith in the big man YNWA GASTON.
Carroll will come good if you want Carroll to improve he needs someone to play in front of or along side liverpools midfield dont get forward enough to support him both Henderson and Adam dont carry the ball they play sideward passes to often and hump long balls to someone and hoping they can make something out of it isnt going to win games hopefully now that Gerrards back and suppling the type of passes hes capable of Carrol will hopefully show what hes capable of
ive just that carrol could be sold ,this lad needs to get some confidence and raise his fitness level and he will be fine im sureI think after Andy's goal Vs. Oldham i think we have seen glimpses of his true potential which is world class in my opinion.
His twenty yard blasts against Exeter,Man City,and now Oldham
His numerous headers for Newcastle means that he has the whole package on his day and i think this could be the start of him being reborn with the likes of Luis Suarez, Steven Gerrard , Craig Bellamy supplying him.
Rep or Neg me if you think i am taking the **** but at the end of the day i am posting my opinion and i believe we could have a world class striker on our hands YNWA
newcastle supposedly offering 10 millon..
Unfortunately he is far to one dimensional to be of any great success. The game has moved on in the past few years what with tackling being restricted, forwards are more mobile,pacy, inventive,skillful. Carroll would do well in the Championship but in this league he is far less effective. Can be a useful addition but if we get 4th it will be because of the efforts of others. He will be more effective next season, but ultimatly he will move on for about £6/7 m in 2013/2014.Carroll will come good if you want Carroll to improve he needs someone to play in front of or along side liverpools midfield dont get forward enough to support him both Henderson and Adam dont carry the ball they play sideward passes to often and hump long balls to someone and hoping they can make something out of it isnt going to win games hopefully now that Gerrards back and suppling the type of passes hes capable of Carrol will hopefully show what hes capable of
Very poor value at £35m.
Eveyone here on the boards are either criticising him or hoping he comes good in the goalsoring department, but its his overall contribution on the pitch which worries me most.
That's more or less what I meant when I said he is to one dimentional. Suit a team that play the long ball with a knock down man alongside him.his time has come and gone at this level, but still can be a useful player but at £35m, poor value.
don't forget the guy is only 23
There's no way we should accept that, even if it's just to save face.
I'd rather give him more time than accept £10m - £15m.
the reason i find this unlikely is the idea of mike ashley parting with 15 million pounds seems like a fairy tale
Not to mention the wages Carroll now demands...
This deal is not happening ...
I just hope Demba Ba does not join Man utd though...those rumors bother me more than this
Forget the pricetag, he is a long term investment. Yes most of us hoped for a more immediate and positive effect, but its not all been bad either. Has shown glimpses of the potential and is being used sparingly enough at the moment.
I really hope we keep him for the next 6/7 years and I think he will develop into an excellent team player. He is lacking some confidence no doubt, and we need to stop hanging balls up into the box from everywhere on the pitch expecting him to produce miracles from dire positions. You hang a ball up like that, 9 times out of ten the defender or keeper attacking the ball should make it.
If we play our fluid football with Andy in the team, he'll get better with his all round game, and then we mix it up and whip the odd ball in like all teams do, and we have a brucie bonus with Andy flying in to finish them.
[QUOTE=jamieofthealbion;6916339]There's no way we should accept that, even if it's just to save face.
I'd rather give him more time than accept £10m - £15m.[/QUOTE
This is just the press inventing stories. More lies.
will not sell andy at all. for the first time in a long time we went all out to get a young talented player, at the very least we should try our best to develop his superb potential.
We should take the 15million if offered and buy another striker. Everyones banging on about potential but we could buy lots of younger players with better potential, can't people on this board see that we made a mistake and move on, its embrassing that the same fans that slate his performances then say 'don't sell him'.... stop sitting on the fence and actually have an opinion.
carrolls potential is unique. yes there are lots of talented strikers, in the bellamy / suarez mold. hardly any in the out and out robbie fowler mold. but how many are in the carroll mold by that i mean so dominant in the air and as powerfull as he is? he could be superb. we all know that. he could so easily have 20 goals to his liverpool career so far thats why people are so frustrated with him.
if he learns to control his headers and use his power a little better, he could well be a drogba.
i hope he comes good...i wouldnt sell him now as there isnt much available. But we get 15 mil in the summer i think we should take it. If we were offered a carroll-ba swap it will be foolish not to take it
Says who?
No he could never be the new drogba, drogba had pace, touch, control and a great finish..! This is the problem everyone is saying 'he could be', 'he has the potential' but fact remains he has an awful touch and he doesn't have a yard of pace let alone over 10 yards, I like Andy I would be very happy if he played like Shearer but you can't even compare him to the class of Shearer he was scoring goals for fun at his age so was Owen, im not sure how age has that much of an influence when he cannot control the ball or pass it quickly 5yards. I mean Zigic is big and powerful... and hes not even a starter in a championship side, John Carew also big and powerful... you can list lots of names. Also added to the fact 'he turns up late' and Pepe Riena said 'worst trainer' im wondering why people are getting behind the lad to stay, id of love it to of worked out but it hasn't, lets build a team around Suarez and stop wasting our time on Carroll.
What a laughable comment. He's only just turned 23 not 33!
He can be very effective. Mario Gomez is a good comparison and Bayern play decent passing football with him getting on the end of it all. I think Carroll could do this very well.
Watched a lot of Drogba when he was 23 did you?
Oh well if we're basing our opinions off Soccer am, good grief.
when drogba arrived in the premier league at 26 years of age i believe, his first touch was ridiculed by everyone and so was his control. at 23, drogba was unheard of. yes carroll will never have great pace, but he is still quick for a guy who is 6ft 4. he also has a powerfull left peg and will win almost everything in the air.
its like ronaldo and ryan babel. both had so much talent. ronaldo learnt how to control his flashy tricks and his blostering shot and babel did not. ronaldo is worth £80m and babel £6.5m. a player can go either way but certainly if carroll can 'control' his vast talent, he could well be unplayabale for most defenses.
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