Which cost us a title, one year.Originally Posted by -SuperSpeedy-
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Which cost us a title, one year.
crying
But we finished 2nd, not 7th. The point is that Rafa lost a lot less and won a lot more that season. We only lost twice, that's already been matched afer 20% of the season.
And welcome back Higgy.
Last edited by MexicanPiggy; 6-11-11 at 00:52.
That was Rafa's fifth season? This is Kenny's first full.
And, ta.
But only shortly after his appointment, Kenny also by his admission tried to suggest to Roy that he should tweak his approach slightly now that he was managing at a club with much bigger expectations and we all know what ended up happening shortly afterwards.
So there most have at least one or two small reservations/doubts at the back of Kenny's mind even if they hadn't fully formed at that point.
I often find myself toying with this idea, romantically conjuring memories of Alonso, Mascherano, Luis García et al.
Then I remember Dossena, Keane, Degen, the Aquilani fiasco and many more errors of his final 2 years and I find myself thinking "Nah."
Can those suggesting that Rafa is a "better manager tactically" than Kenny please back up what they mean,or give some examples or evidence of what they mean?
Because I don't see it but am open to being convinced.
I would have nothing against seeing Rafa here again, but how this thread has three pages in this early stage of the season baffles me.
Roy Evans?
I think two semi-finals against stronger Chelsea sides proved that on his day Rafa is one of the finest tactical minds in Europe.
There are other examples, but these two always stand out for me.
Rafa's problem was sending us out to destroy **** sides.
Nothing wrong
Last edited by No Angel; 6-11-11 at 10:05.
Well Rafa is tactically superb than many managers tbh. He has his weaknesses but I don't think tactics is one of them.
For a example just top of my head we beat Barcelona at the Nou Camp and Xavi, Deco, Messi and Ronaldinho all were on the pitch for Barca. Bellamy, Pennant and Zenden made appearances for us that day along with other good players. We won 1-2. Barca at home tests the tactical ability of best coaches in the world, its does now it did then.
Daniel Alves is another one who we were going to get but the owners wouldnt stump up 8 mill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Alves
The first sign of things to come under Hicks and Gillette
In June 2006, Sevilla had agreed to sell Alves to Liverpool, but they were unable to match their asking price of around £8 million.[
8 Mill for alves at the time
Fact.
Rafa frustrated me at times but theres no question he went very close to the league won a Champions league and was in the market for some top top players if he had the cash.
I believe Kenny can get the job done. I can see glimpse of pass and move. However, I see Kenny facing some challenges. Challenges he inflicted on himself.
1. He said he will only buy players who are better than what he already had before the summer. He said he will be prudent. So he went out and bought 50mils of players. If these players are "assumed" better than what he already had, he has to prove it. So he is in a dilemma, play them or not?
2. He bought Carroll, for a club record 35 mils. He had to prove that Carroll-type of striker still has a place in modern football, he built his team around carroll over the summer. Again, he is in dilemma, to continue building his team around carroll, to show that he is not "out of the game".
I think Kenny is no tom dick or harry. He knows what is right and wrong, and what is good for Liverpool. Yes, 100mils may be an expensive lesson, but as long as he is ruthless and make the necessary changes soon, i can see the team improving.
Some of the players maybe overprice and may not even be needed for this team, but players like downing, adma or henderson are still decent. they can still be part of the team over a long season.
You cannot be negged multiple times by one poster within a short period of time.
What absolute rubbish. All of you in the "we want Rafa back" brigade, get it through your heads once and for all: he is gone and will never be back. get over it or you are all going to miss out in enjoying a new era for Liverpool FC>
The inherent flaw in your statement is that Kenny left and came back. Just saying.
the team what was Never built,
Silva,Vidic,Alves,Jovetic
all the players Benitez scouted and on the verge of signing but then typical Liverpool at the time of the field a lot of broken promises and not willing to pay the extra couple million,
Without doubt with being one of the best teams to grace the premiership let alone Europe,
------------------Reina----------
Alves-----Agger---------Vidic-----Arbeloa
-----------------Alonso----
-----------------Javier-----
Silva------------Gerrard----------Jovetic--
-----------------Torres-----
So far Dalglish has only brought 2 quality players Suárez & Enrique and three potential players in Coates,Henderson,Carroll
Now if Dalglish doesn't bring any more high-quality standard players or players with bags of potential to grow I think the jury will be out on him for a long time if we carry on with buying the less technical British/Irish players
Barry instead of Xabi.
Sure, but Kenny epitomises Liverpool more then any player/manager in our club's history other than Shanks and Bob P. He is universally considered a legend. No matter what some of you think, I do not see Rafa in the same exalted status that would demand his return - as you can read by this board, he is a much more divisive figure. Furthermore, I just want to hear from the pro Rafa brigade on what their excuses are for him turning the Italian and European champions into a team the next season that was languishing outside the top four when he was sacked. Good manager that he is, he is not the solution for us going forward. Whether Kenny is we shall all see in good time. but going back to Rafa would be a hugely retrograde step.
Yup, it is your opinion after all.
Explain their current season as well then i.e. Rafa ain't even there.Furthermore, I just want to hear from the pro Rafa brigade on what their excuses are for him turning the Italian and European champions into a team the next season that was languishing outside the top four when he was sacked.
Don't know. I'll entertain the idea only if Kenny's reign doesn't work out which is the point of this thread I think, judged solely on the thread title. Mind you, quite a few felt Kenny wasn't the solution for us going forward when he came back either. Just saying.Good manager that he is, he is not the solution for us going forward. Whether Kenny is we shall all see in good time. but going back to Rafa would be a hugely retrograde step.
As I said on another thread, let us all judge Kenny with what happens at season's end. We could beat Chelsea and Man City and we are back in the hunt again. Also, Arsenal fans are buzzing that their title/top four hopes are back on track after a couple of wins and they are the same points as us. So we are not that badly placed at this stage. However, yes, we need to beat teams like Swansea.
Ok same squad how would rafa have set up yesterday to win the match?
I seem to remember rafa giving smaller teams visiting Anfield too much respect as well with his starting line up, leaving more attack minded players on the bench!?
Disrespectful thread towards Kenny as usual after a drawn match.
Indeed. Why do people keep making these threads ? It's deluded.Disrespectful thread towards Kenny as usual after a drawn match.
To be fair Mossy, "lesser" teams used to park the bus far more then than they seem to do now, and we used to come away with nigh on 30 shots on goal in any given day without scoring one of them.
Team seem fired up now when they come to Anfield. Swansea yesterday was a good example of that.
Rafa is biding his time.............
Major pwnage!!! :-D
Norwich and Sunderland less so.
In what sense?
Norwich were far more timid against us than they were against United, but there were some hairy moments. Sunderland.... can't even remember the game tbh
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