Kenny is leading us to the Golden Sky

[WatchNgog]

I wouldnt give you £7 for Downing

[WhoNeedsAUsername]

I wouldnt give you £7 for Downing

I wouldn't take £7 to get Downing. Having to pay his wages is a disgrace.

[WatchNgog]

For what GBH?

[-Topper-]

I'd give Kenny at least 5 years.

If he meets the targets set by the owners then he'll be in the job for as long as he wants it. Simple as that really.

[livrule]

If he meets the targets set by the owners then he'll be in the job for as long as he wants it. Simple as that really.

Correct.

[WatchNgog]

Dont know.
If the answer is not at all then it makes their season even better. There are say 6 top sides so that leaves 13 others. As you dont get bonus points for beating tje better sides it makes sence to beat the lesser teams

[WatchNgog]

Lash an add up on Ebay, see if someone will take him

[rayvonuk]

Dont know.
If the answer is not at all then it makes their season even better. There are say 6 top sides so that leaves 13 others. As you dont get bonus points for beating tje better sides it makes sence to beat the lesser teams

new to football i see.

[WatchNgog]

Nope. You?

[raybarnes]

That's the point there- you say in this post that you don't always agree with Kenny's team selection or substitutions. It just seems from some of your other posts that you do agree with everything that he does. Or to put it another way, regardless of what Kenny does you think that it is the right decision. Sometimes you seem to be blindly following whatever decision Kenny makes. I'm saying this to you not having a go at you, I wouldn't do that, but just to try and explain why some of the other posters in this thread are saying what they are saying.

Like you, I always give the team my backing. If I don't agree with what Kenny has done, I may not be happy with it but I will not turn my back on him or the players.

What i mean is just because i'm not screaming and shouting because say Kenny plays Maxi instead of say Bellers doesn't mean i agree with the decision it just means Kenny has made the decision and i'll back his knowledge and choice

[raybarnes]

Although i echo most of your sentiments,there is a limit to it and to just turn a blind eye to something that is obviously wrong is foolishness rather than loyalty.Another thing i may like to add is questioning a managers tactics or substitutions or his decisions on an internet forum is something we all do and there is no problem with it as long as its constructive.As you said both us and kenny want what is best for this club and he himself would agree that no one is bigger than this club and that includes every one from the top (owners) to every football fan that is supporting the club.

On an another level i still think if our owners think Keny isn't doing a good enough job they will sack him,there is no two ways about it and as far as i can say they are not going to stuck with emotions.But i sincerely hope we dont see that day as if ever things are going bad Kenny himself will say enough is enough as its sad to seee any manager sacked let alone a club legend

It's not constructive when people say Kenny should be sacked its just plain madness.
Again i'll repeat myself matchgoers are 100% behind Kenny even if these boards are not.

As for our new owners sacking Kenny if that happend this club would desend into total Chaos what do you think regular matchgoers and locals would think of that...........We'd have outright mayhem with Owners and Fans at each others throats.
Having said that Kenny is going no where you know it i klnow it Kenny knows it and our New Owners know it.
Kenny is the right man for the job but he can't make all of our dreams come true in 18 month.
Wembley is just a starter
Anfield is getting a smile back on its face and if we win these next three games and i fully expect us to this whole City will be bouncing.

Kenny = Golden Sky

ENJOY

[Brennan89]

What i mean is just because i'm not screaming and shouting because say Kenny plays Maxi instead of say Bellers doesn't mean i agree with the decision it just means Kenny has made the decision and i'll back his knowledge and choice

The way it should be

[raybarnes]

Do you want to see the league table? You sound like a child. 100 odd mil spent since he took over and no real improvement lets be honest and the table doesn't lie. So yeah I will criticise Kenny.

We have recouped over half that cash in out going transfers
And no i'm not happy about us being 7th in the table but you don't get in the CL by being in the top 4 in February.
Its no use being 4th today then ending 7th come May
Faith is the Key
Sprinters don't win Marathons

Enjoy Wembley then we'll take care of getting a CL spot

Enjoy

[raybarnes]

Opinion.

Maybe but an Opinion i think is shared by most of Anfield

[raybarnes]

Your a good poster but you would be a better one if your posts were a little more critical regarding the management and players from time to time..
It shows your concerns for the club without ever been classified as a moaner.
Im sure kennys missues has given the king the odd kick up the back-side now and again in the household..

I don't see why he neees a "Kick up the backside"
I think he needs a pat on the back for turning this club round and getting us to Wembley and striking didtance of a CL spot

[prayerforliverpool]

i cant see any other good options out there, im with kenny,give him more time

[raybarnes]

Luis Suarez-----------£23 million
Andy Carroll----------£35 million
Jordan Henderson--£16 million
Charlie Adam--------£7 million
Doni-------------------Free
Stewart Downing---£20 million
Jose Enrique---------£6.3 million
Craig Bellamy--------Free
Sebastian Coates---£7 million
Total:------------------£114 million
Average:--------------£12.7 million (per player)

Name me a player in that list you would be unhappy if we spent £12.7 million on them?
We could afford to spend big on some players, because we were spending little on others.
Liverpool is a business as well as a football club, both sides have improved massively since last season.

Great post

[-Danny-]

Maybe but an Opinion i think is shared by most of Anfield

There's no maybe it is an opinion.

[raybarnes]

There's no maybe it is an opinion.

OK its an opinion shared by many at Anfield.

Your not going to believe this Danny but i was in another thread came back in here saw your reply started posting my reply but i had no idea what i'd said was a Fact in the first place

Now that is a Fact

[AnfieldSouth41]

Luis Suarez-----------£23 million
Andy Carroll----------£35 million
Jordan Henderson--£16 million
Charlie Adam--------£7 million
Doni-------------------Free
Stewart Downing---£20 million
Jose Enrique---------£6.3 million
Craig Bellamy--------Free
Sebastian Coates---£7 million
Total:------------------£114 million
Average:--------------£12.7 million (per player)

Name me a player in that list you would be unhappy if we spent £12.7 million on them?
We could afford to spend big on some players, because we were spending little on others.
Liverpool is a business as well as a football club, both sides have improved massively since last season.

Well Doni & Bellamy for £12.7m would be madness

£12.7m for a backup GK - no Way.
£12.7m on a 32 year old whos only signed on a 2 year contract. Again would be madness.

But i get your point. The easiest thing i find to do is, in your head, just swap the Suarez & Carroll figures around. Looks and sounds much better.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

I wouldn't take £7 to get Downing. Having to pay his wages is a disgrace.

This forum has reached a new low.

[Afterthought]

Well Doni & Bellamy for £12.7m would be madness

£12.7m for a backup GK - no Way.
£12.7m on a 32 year old whos only signed on a 2 year contract. Again would be madness.

But i get your point. The easiest thing i find to do is, in your head, just swap the Suarez & Carroll figures around. Looks and sounds much better.

Be madness for Adam and Coates too.

[SuaRED]

It goes a bit like this: Average pub somewhere in the North. Noisy, slot machine, juke box etc. Cosy.

"Should've played Carroll from the off"
"I agree there. ****** hopeless upfront we were."

"Why the hell we have to play so defensively is beyond me. We had nine defenders the other week and we'd hardly suffered an attack when we had four."
"Agree. We should put more emphasis on attacking play. At least we're having a go. Utd have the worst defence yet we never really attacked them the whole game."

"If we want any chance of winning the league, we need radical change at Anfield."
"I agree. Spent too many spondoonies on players that simply don't gel. What do you suggest then Pal!"
"I think Kenny should step down."

A silence fills the pub. Even the juke box and the slot machine stop working.


"That's fighting talk round here mate!"

Barman: "Who said that? (Fingers are pointed in one direction only). You? Out. Your barred!!"

No matter how loyal you are to LFC, some thoughts are best kept to yourself.

"Where do you reckon he's gone now then?"
"Probably nipped down to the Golden Sky for a Chinese!"

[TheDarknessIsCalling]

I appreciate the sentiment of your post. But if you think that questioning someone is attacking them, then I'd like to see how you handle criticism. Everything doesn't need to be black and white, or shades of gray, it can be gold as well.

Spot on. We are allowed to debate things to do with our club, far too many get lumped into one category and criticised for slagging off the manager when all they are do is posing questions that have to be asked.

Are we moving forward? Slowly if at all
Will we win a trophy under Kenny? Looking likely, but there is still a game to go
Will we get back into the top four under Kenny? Quite possibly, but nothing stays the same so we can't waste too long stabilising what was pretty stable at the end of 10/11
Will we win the league under Kenny? Who knows for sure? Giving Kenny seven years on the basis of what someone did nearly TWENTY YEARS AGO is no guarantee, there are none.


Will someone else do better? We don't know, but there is only one way to find out. Replacing Rafa wasn't the worst move, replacing Rafa with Hodgson was...................

And of course there's a plethora of other questions which lead to the above like subs, signings, tactics, results against weaker opposition. I like livrule's subsequent comment about everything having to be black and white (on here). I and others I'm sure aren't seeking moral high ground, we want what I question some of the Kenny "faithful" want which is what will advance the club. Noone knows for sure, but blind faith isn't an answer to anything. Would you walk out in front of traffic trusting the cars to brake in time? Would you give your young child to a stranger believing they will treat it well and like their own? Would you lend a complete stranger a tenner in the belief he will repay you? Would you leave your young child alone in the house believing they will ok? Faith is a flimsy basis for anything, sorry "believers" but sometimes (as Delboy would say) "he who dares wins".

Here's an interesting poser for you, if you could hear a bomb whistling towards you would you stand still and hope it lands elsewhere or move and hope you don't just run into where the bomb is going to land............................................?

[RossMosh]

How come this thread survives yet any thread questioning whether Kenny will be here next year is deleted?

I don't get it. I simply don't get it.

[ThelateCatcatcat7]

Nobody can say for sure that we won't yet make fourth place this season, but it occurred to me last night that champions league nights seem an awful long time ago.

[Seamus78]

Spot on. We are allowed to debate things to do with our club, far too many get lumped into one category and criticised for slagging off the manager when all they are do is posing questions that have to be asked.

Are we moving forward? Slowly if at all
Will we win a trophy under Kenny? Looking likely, but there is still a game to go
Will we get back into the top four under Kenny? Quite possibly, but nothing stays the same so we can't waste too long stabilising what was pretty stable at the end of 10/11
Will we win the league under Kenny? Who knows for sure? Giving Kenny seven years on the basis of what someone did nearly TWENTY YEARS AGO is no guarantee, there are none.


Will someone else do better? We don't know, but there is only one way to find out. Replacing Rafa wasn't the worst move, replacing Rafa with Hodgson was...................

And of course there's a plethora of other questions which lead to the above like subs, signings, tactics, results against weaker opposition. I like livrule's subsequent comment about everything having to be black and white (on here). I and others I'm sure aren't seeking moral high ground, we want what I question some of the Kenny "faithful" want which is what will advance the club. Noone knows for sure, but blind faith isn't an answer to anything. Would you walk out in front of traffic trusting the cars to brake in time? Would you give your young child to a stranger believing they will treat it well and like their own? Would you lend a complete stranger a tenner in the belief he will repay you? Would you leave your young child alone in the house believing they will ok? Faith is a flimsy basis for anything, sorry "believers" but sometimes (as Delboy would say) "he who dares wins".

Here's an interesting poser for you, if you could hear a bomb whistling towards you would you stand still and hope it lands elsewhere or move and hope you don't just run into where the bomb is going to land............................................?

If it was whistling towards me, I would move.

[grudge]

Luis Suarez-----------£23 million
Andy Carroll----------£35 million
Jordan Henderson--£16 million
Charlie Adam--------£7 million
Doni-------------------Free
Stewart Downing---£20 million
Jose Enrique---------£6.3 million
Craig Bellamy--------Free
Sebastian Coates---£7 million
Total:------------------£114 million
Average:--------------£12.7 million (per player)

Name me a player in that list you would be unhappy if we spent £12.7 million on them?
We could afford to spend big on some players, because we were spending little on others.
Liverpool is a business as well as a football club, both sides have improved massively since last season.

Not one of the players highlighted above.

[livrule]

Luis Suarez-----------£23 million
Andy Carroll----------£35 million
Jordan Henderson--£16 million
Charlie Adam--------£7 million
Doni-------------------Free
Stewart Downing---£20 million
Jose Enrique---------£6.3 million
Craig Bellamy--------Free
Sebastian Coates---£7 million
Total:------------------£114 million
Average:--------------£12.7 million (per player)

Name me a player in that list you would be unhappy if we spent £12.7 million on them?
We could afford to spend big on some players, because we were spending little on others.
Liverpool is a business as well as a football club, both sides have improved massively since last season.

... This reminds me of the time Ray' tried to divide up the transfer fees ... comedy gold.

Coates for £12.7m would have been overpriced ..
Bellamy for 12.7m would have been insane at the time and a VERY pricey short-term 'fix'
Doni for that would have been a sackable offense ...
Downing would have still been about 5m overpriced
Enrique ... overpriced ...

[Brennan89]

Luis Suarez-----------£23 million
Andy Carroll----------£35 million
Jordan Henderson--£16 million
Charlie Adam--------£7 million
Doni-------------------Free
Stewart Downing---£20 million
Jose Enrique---------£6.3 million
Craig Bellamy--------Free
Sebastian Coates---£7 million
Total:------------------£114 million
Average:--------------£12.7 million (per player)

Name me a player in that list you would be unhappy if we spent £12.7 million on them?
We could afford to spend big on some players, because we were spending little on others.
Liverpool is a business as well as a football club, both sides have improved massively since last season.

Appreciate the sentiment but you really can't use this sort of technique to justify what we spent. We got some bargains and we paid over the odds for some, but each player's value fee should be individual, not as a part of a lump sum. If we got somebody for £5m cheaper than we thought we would, we shouldn't then be happy to pay £5m more than we were originally happy to pay for another player.

As you said, Liverpool is a business, and that is bad business.