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[OldSniperwolfy96]

Why are some people calling for the likes of Carroll and Hendo to get dropped and sold and so on. Even Adam.

Do you not remember a certain Lucas Leiva?? He was by far one of the worst players we had at the club when we signed him but Benitez stood by him and look, he is a major influence on our team. And lets face it Hendo is better than Lucas was. Lucas was giving away frees and getting silly yellows. Kenny is now sticking to his buys and only becasue of the price tag people are giving him and the players a hell of a time?

Come on, how long did it take Lucas to get good? OK we are 7th in the league and its not ideal but if it means blooding in players which include the england u21 captain and a player who has scored for England then OK. Downing has gotten good, so that is another example. Get behind our ******* players and team .

YNWA Kenny, Henderson, Carroll

[livrule]

Why are some people calling for the likes of Carroll and Hendo to get dropped and sold and so on. Even Adam.

Do you not remember a certain Lucas Leiva?? He was by far one of the worst players we had at the club when we signed him but Benitez stood by him and look, he is a major influence on our team. And lets face it Hendo is better than Lucas was. Lucas was giving away frees and getting silly yellows. Kenny is now sticking to his buys and only becasue of the price tag people are giving him and the players a hell of a time?

Come on, how long did it take Lucas to get good? OK we are 7th in the league and its not ideal but if it means blooding in players which include the england u21 captain and a player who has scored for England then OK. Downing has gotten good, so that is another example. Get behind our ******* players and team .

YNWA Kenny, Henderson, Carroll

I see people say this a lot ...

Lucas was a special case ... One of the very few players who was poor for years, but suddenly adapted to a new position ... accepted his chance here was fading and decided to man up and actually improve.

He was also lucky in many ways ... Rafa saw the potential ... and he played in a position that wasn't utterly crucial to winning matches which gave him a window of time to improve.

And lets not forget the lad came from overseas, to a new country ... He wasn't experienced in the Premier league like our brand new failures ...

We can't give Carroll that time ... It would ruin him and damage us. Likewise Adam, Henderson and Downing can't all occupy the midfield and be given years to improve ... We would suffer badly.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

Henderson is crap, he does nothing on the pitch. Carroll isn't much better but should have started.

[Afterthought]

I see people say this a lot ...

Lucas was a special case ... One of the very few players who was poor for years, but suddenly adapted to a new position ... accepted his chance here was fading and decided to man up and actually improve.

He was also lucky in many ways ... Rafa saw the potential ... and he played in a position that wasn't utterly crucial to winning matches which gave him a window of time to improve.

And lets not forget the lad came from overseas, to a new country ... He wasn't experienced in the Premier league like our brand new failures ...

We can't give Carroll that time ... It would ruin him and damage us. Likewise Adam, Henderson and Downing can't all occupy the midfield and be given years to improve ... We would suffer badly.

I think that's the biggest issue he had. I think he himself admitted he found the pace and physicality too much for him at the start and had to really hit the gym. And when you add the difference in culture between here and Brazil, not to mention the impossibility of seeing family etc., he should have been given a lot more patience than he was by the fans. He had a lot of things to deal with that English - or even European - players simply don't.

[gerrardrafatorres]

Henderson vs Lucas vs Adam....

There is a huge difference in price tag or age or experience! Lucas is only £5 million.

Let's not forget, when Rafa signed Lucas, he was a youngster and he is adapting to English football straight from Brazil. And, not many Brazilians have successfully played in BPL! Henderson has been playing English Football for ages...

The plus point for Lucas is that he has the chance to be mentored by three types of midfielders and great ones too... CM (Gerrard), DM (Masch) and DLP (Alonso)... surely, it is frustrating for a young player coping with the demands and pressure but he survived and learned well.

[AnfieldSouth41]

I just dont see what Henderson offers us and what his role is in the team. He doesnt score, he doesnt create, he doesnt tackle. What does he do ? Why is he in the team ?

As for Carroll i just dont see how he can ever be a regular here. I dont see us playing long ball and playing for flick ons in the long term. I just dont know why we brought him, he wont be successful here. We need a striker with pace, we have noone to run in behind. Carroll wants it in the air and Suarez comes short far too often. Leaves us with not many options at times and is why we struggle to break teams down.

[livrule]

Henderson is crap, he does nothing on the pitch. Carroll isn't much better but should have started.

Spot on ...

Hes a nothing player ... A footballing void.

Might as well not be there most games.

[AnfieldSouth41]

I dont understand how they plan on getting in the top 4 when they're not buying top 4 quality players. Its common sense, if you want top 4, buy top 4 quality players. Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Adam they will never be a regular at a Top 4 club. Do any of them get in any of the Top 6 sides ? I dont think they do.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

I dont understand how they plan on getting in the top 4 when they're not buying top 4 quality players. Its common sense, if you want top 4, buy top 4 quality players. Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Adam they will never be a regular at a Top 4 club. Do any of them get in any of the Top 6 sides ? I dont think they do.

I think only Downing would get into Arsenal (on the left, Chamberlain right), Chelsea (on the left, Sturridge right, Mata center) and Tottenham's team (on the left, Bale right or center). The rest no chance.

[ripe17]

We have a mediocre team, who play mediocre football.

Depressing but sadly true.

[robertretford]

I think only Downing would get into Arsenal (on the left, Chamberlain right), Chelsea (on the left, Sturridge right, Mata center) and Tottenham's team (on the left, Bale right or center). The rest no chance.

Does anybody else find this Downing infatuation a bit scary?

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

Does anybody else find this Downing infatuation a bit scary?

Who would you have in over him at those teams?

[Archieuk]

Henderson and Carroll are the future.
We need to stop blaming the players we have.
Even though i hate seeing Downing and Adam's name on the team sheet, i still back them (although its getting harded and harder to do so).
but look at it:
Kelly
Flanno
Robinson
Spearing
Shelvey
Henderson
Carroll
All young players with huge potential.
Yes we are struggling at the minute, massively, but the future looks bright, even though it might not help saying so at this moment in time.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

Henderson and Carroll are the future.
We need to stop blaming the players we have.
Even though i hate seeing Downing and Adam's name on the team sheet, i still back them (although its getting harded and harder to do so).
but look at it:
Kelly
Flanno
Robinson
Spearing
Shelvey
Henderson
Carroll
All young players with huge potential.
Yes we are struggling at the minute, massively, but the future looks bright, even though it might not help saying so at this moment in time.

Carroll and Henderson are far, far worse than Downing and even Adam.

[Afterthought]

Does anybody else find this Downing infatuation a bit scary?

Yes.

Especially when I wouldn't even have him as a first team regular. Squad player, perhaps.

[TheBuckStopsWithRodgers]

When we signed Lucas we had Mascherano and Alonso, so if he flopped we wouldn't have felt it. However, Henderson is expected to start and if he is dropped spearing and shelvey aren't much better.

[rederman]

Why are some people calling for the likes of Carroll and Hendo to get dropped and sold and so on. Even Adam.

Do you not remember a certain Lucas Leiva?? He was by far one of the worst players we had at the club when we signed him but Benitez stood by him and look, he is a major influence on our team. And lets face it Hendo is better than Lucas was. Lucas was giving away frees and getting silly yellows. Kenny is now sticking to his buys and only becasue of the price tag people are giving him and the players a hell of a time?

Come on, how long did it take Lucas to get good? OK we are 7th in the league and its not ideal but if it means blooding in players which include the england u21 captain and a player who has scored for England then OK. Downing has gotten good, so that is another example. Get behind our ******* players and team .

YNWA Kenny, Henderson, Carroll

Somany wrongs there.
Downing has had 2 good performances throughout the whole season,that most certainly means he hasnt turned the corner..
Lucas was a prospect who cost 5 millon,not 20 millon like henderson.
7th isnt ideal ,,its shocking.

[TheDarknessIsCalling]

scarf waving and acronyms, should be banned for double yellow card offences

[robertretford]

Who would you have in over him at those teams?

You've actually moved Bale at Spurs to fit him in.

[Archieuk]

Carroll and Henderson are far, far worse than Downing and even Adam.

fair point. thats your opinion.
but i totally disagree.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

Somany wrongs there.
Downing has had 2 good performances throughout the whole season,that most certainly means he hasnt turned the corner..
Lucas was a prospect who cost 5 millon,not 20 millon like henderson.
7th isnt ideal ,,its shocking.

********. Short memory. He was excellent at the start of the season for more than 2 games. Was poor from November till January, average after that till the Carling Cup final and since then has been good.

[aSquirtlewithaDagger]

You've actually moved Bale at Spurs to fit him in.

I don't think you watch much football mate, Bale has pretty much a free role at Spurs, he's played on the right a lot. If it makes you feel better have Bale on the left, Downing on the right.

[occultproposal]

I think loaning Henderson out to another PL side would do him some good but that seems highly unlikely as he seems to get picked week in week out regardless of his play on the pitch.

[TheDarknessIsCalling]

Gerrhard, the only person you might be persuading re Downing is yourself. And save the biased waffle reply about how he did this, that and the other and how many times you came in your pants at the cross or shot that ended with his usual nil end product, save it for someone who cares (and in case you need it spelt out t-h-a-t i-s-n-t m-e )

[robertretford]

I don't think you watch much football mate, Bale has pretty much a free role at Spurs, he's played on the right a lot. If it makes you feel better have Bale on the left, Downing on the right.

O.k so who are you dropping at Spurs to get Downing in then?

[rederman]

********. Short memory. He was excellent at the start of the season for more than 2 games. Was poor from November till January, average after that till the Carling Cup final and since then has been good.

is he playing like a 20 millon player ?
yes or no ?

[AnfieldSouth41]

I think only Downing would get into Arsenal (on the left, Chamberlain right), Chelsea (on the left, Sturridge right, Mata center) and Tottenham's team (on the left, Bale right or center). The rest no chance.

I dont see Downing getting a game at Arsenal. Walcott plays on the Right and Gervinho and Chamberlain fight for the Left spot.

Same with Tottenham. I dont see how you can sacrifice Bale from his best position to put Downing in there.

Chelsea... Possibly could get in on the left. Only really have Malouda. Mata plays in the middle like you say and Sturridge on the right.

[liv4EveR5]

Henderson and Carroll are the future.
We need to stop blaming the players we have.
Even though i hate seeing Downing and Adam's name on the team sheet, i still back them (although its getting harded and harder to do so).
but look at it:
Kelly
Flanno
Robinson
Spearing
Shelvey
Henderson
Carroll
All young players with huge potential.
Yes we are struggling at the minute, massively, but the future looks bright, even though it might not help saying so at this moment in time.

They have both had 28 games to show any sort of potential and they have showed the potential to be good decent journeyman for mid table clubs.

Kenny handling of both has been shocking, playing Henderson on the right when he is a deep lying central midfielder. Starting Carrol from deep behind Suarez????, then dropping him when he shows any bit of form.

FWIW, if these are the future of the club we are mid table for the next 5 years, Adam Downing Henderson and Carol will never ever take this club to top 4, compare these 4 to the current top 6 and the young players they have coming through...

[AnfieldSouth41]

I don't think you watch much football mate, Bale has pretty much a free role at Spurs, he's played on the right a lot. If it makes you feel better have Bale on the left, Downing on the right.

Nah Lennon or VDV normally take the Right. Sometimes even Modric. Bale does play on the Left, but does come inside at times but the Left is still his position.

[Archieuk]

is he playing like a 20 millon player ?
Yes or no ?

hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!