You mean 22 year old 43 goals in 158 appearances for Southampton Alan shearer?Originally Posted by Obi-1-Kenobi-0
I said established. He only caught fire AFTER moving to Blackburn.
For a then record transfer fee of 3.3 million.
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You mean 22 year old 43 goals in 158 appearances for Southampton Alan shearer?
I said established. He only caught fire AFTER moving to Blackburn.
For a then record transfer fee of 3.3 million.
Yes. But as I've said time and again, i've seen enough quality in our performances to suggest that with the right players brought in in the summer, we'll perform much better in the League next season. Do I trust Kenny to bring the right players in? Yes. After all like you said, that Alan Shearer wasn't half bad, was he?
I thought the question was about money after spending bucketloads on these players
Flowers, Gale,Kenna,Sherwood ,Hendry, Le Saux,Ripley,Gallacher,Shearer,Newell,Sutton, Berg,Batty,Warhurst,Pearce
Could Dalglish actually won the premiership with hardly any money
Yep...the very same.
Do you think he just accidentally turned into a good player once Kenny signed him then at 22 years of age
Well, maybe if he was given longer than just 14 months in charge to rectify issues that have dogged us for years he might win a lot more matches.
Let's see if he can do it next season as it'll only be his 2nd full season, it's not like he's been here for all of the last 3 dire league seasons and we're talking about a 4th under him is it.
He was put in charge because we were dire and had been for 18 months previous, very good chance that it may take longer than 14 months to turn it all round and get rid of all of the problems we had.
No I'm not. Shearer was a talent, but he wasn't an established star at all. I'm now finding it increasingly difficult to take you seriously.
You saying Kenny had nothing to do with helping him become the Premier League legend he did?Yep...the very same.
Do you think he just accidentally turned into a good player once Kenny signed him then at 22 years of age
Name a manager thats won the Premiership without spending money.
So you trust Kenny to bring in the right players despite him not having already done so when given the opportunity since his arrival?
What is your reasoning for that?
Again...you seem to be looking at what he did at Liverpool and Blackburn but totally ignoring his most recent posts where he failed for some reason.
Exactly; even Wenger spent money to establish his title winning sides of 01-02 and 03-04.
When he came in he did a great job until the end of the season.
This season he is the root cause of all of our current problems and effectively undone all of his own previously good work.
Were Hamann and Solano failures at Newcastle? You said he signed Shearer, was Shearer not a good signing?
Exactly.
Nah, he took over there, spent a bit of money and within 3 weeks they were CHAMPIONS don't you know.
He helped by surrounding him with the best players that money could buy yes....I won't deny that.
But had Shearer gone to Manchester United or Arsenal, he would have been just as good for them too.
Pretty much like if Rooney had gone to Chelsea, or Arsenal instead of Man United.
Good players will do well at clubs that are going places more often than not.
Wow, anything to avoid giving kenny credit huh?Yep...the very same.
Do you think he just accidentally turned into a good player once Kenny signed him then at 22 years of age
But hindsight is 20/20. His goalscoring record before Blackburn didn't guarantee how well he was going to do.
And I wouldn't classify buying a youngster from Southampton in the same league as established stars from barca, Valencia, athletico Madrid or arsenal would you?
This is where we see different opinions,
Benítez last year at the club the squad and the first-team will good enough as it was constantly in the top five, till the last couple months when everything collapsed,
Hodgson was everything wrong with the club at the time as he was a yes man, when Dalglish took over we will back in the top six again throughout the remaining season,
So for two years running we were a top six material and only missing 2/3 quality players for the first team and now looking like an average 12 placed team & need 4/5 quality players for the first team
how can we let a manager continue with such a wonderful performance to date and dragged the team quality right down
They were all good signings. But he didn't build a team capable of winning things there.
He might make good signings here next season, but he doesn't seem to have a plan to get the best out of them.
So what?
Many successful managers have failed to deliver. Ferguson being the most obvious.
And as for winning matches he's won matches. Given time he 'may' win more.
Different people use different criteria on which to make the judgement as to whether they believe he will or won't.
I just hope they use the same criteria for themselves in their own lives- for the sake of balance and fairness.
It's a waste of time debating this with you. If you can't recognised that Shearer improved as a player whilst at Blackburn, then I really don't know what to say.
Are you actually reading this thread?
I have given Kenny credit for the job that he done when arriving here until the end of the season after taking over from Roy.
Kenny bought the best players money could buy at the time. Shearer was always going to be a quality player...anyone could see that.
English Premier league at the time was restricted to foreign players and it was congested contested by who had the best British players versus the average/poor British players
In your opinion.
In my opinion there are many, "Root causes", for this season, of which Kenny is one part of them, and he deserves a chance next season to continue building towards rectifying them and his own ones from this season.
He'll be here next season, and rightly so, he deserves the chance to have the same poor first full season in the league other managers we've had have had and go into the summer and 2nd full season looking to dramatically improve and take us up the table. If he doesn't next season, then, sure, he will be rightly replaced, but he deserves that chance.
It's that simple and changing manager this summer will be a ******* embarressment to this football club anyway, 4 managers in just 2 years, ******* cringeworthy and not what this club is about and should never be about without absolute great reason and absolutely no choice whatsoever.
You just chose to read the bits that you want to....so there is no point debating with you either.
I have already said that Shearer was surrounded by quality players at Blackburn so of course he did better there than he did at Southampton.
He would have done just as well if he had gone to one of the other big clubs however as he was destined to be a world class player.
He should stay. People lament the fact Rafa wasn't given the time to rectify his last season, I think Kenny deserves the opportunity to rectify this one. Yeah I have huge concerns and nagging doubts but I'll have them with a new face too. He really does need a perfect summer though no mistakes.
you missing the point that they brought the title like Chelsea and potentially City
Blackburn at the time was the first sugar daddy owned club just pouring money into the regardless of bankruptcy
When you say '2nd full season'.....does that apply in your view if we get off to a 5 losses in 6 type start to the campaign?
Are you reading your own posts? You said man city and Blackburn were similar.
I said they weren't and explained why.
One difference was that Blackburn started a division below.
Another was kenny didn't buy a single established star.
You wrongly mentioned shearer.
I said shearer only started being prolific at Blackburn.
So again i state, they aren't "similar".
We won a trophy our 1st in 6 seasons. we're in the FA cup semi final our first in 6 years. We missed endless amount of chances and we should have been convincing winners in at least 10 of our premiership games. .
Come May we can look back and say we have won 2 cups. That's a very successful season in my eyes.
Qualifying for the champions league is important but steady progression is the only way. 2 cups this season will be improved upon next season. Current squad of players will gel and will improve, some dead beats will be sold/released whatever and new personnel will arrive and chances in front of goal will be taken.
This is officially King Kenny's first season back in charge of Liverpool, 1 trophy in the bag another hopefully to follow, and he's learnt a lot about his current squad and he'll pin point where will be improved.
Now go to sleep you unbelieving ****
You have just answered your own question.
Without money...managers don't seem to be able to win the league.
Even with money....Kenny has only managed to get us 7th to date and that could be worse by the end of the season.
The only person that has come close to doing so is Rafa....and most buffoons that support this club wouldn't have him back here given the chance!
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