REALISM is needed now

[redfoot]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title.

Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

[YNWALONE]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title.

Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

agree with everthing except the bolded one. we were not unlucky to score a goal or hit the wood it was cos we dont have a quality striker. it has nothing to do with luck. changind line-ups every game is up to kenny we didnt had as many injured players as arsenal had so this cant be excuse for us. i also believe KK is the right man for us h just need to realise his mistakes with transfers and line-ups

[hotlips222]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title. Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

Didnt Kenny bring in some of these players who are not good enough and paid good money for? Also, who is to say he can sort it? His buys have been shocking and you are telling me we should just take the hit by selling them on for a lot less and then give him more money to waste again? It didnt take a genius to realise the players he was signing were not good enough and cost way over the odds. Yet he still bought them. How could we as supporters see this and kenny, Comolli and the scouts couldnt? I have lost faith in him and Im sure FSG will think long and hard before giving him so much money again, if at all. This season has been shocking. 2 wins in the league since the new year. We are nearly in April FFS. We have in our squad the most expensive ever British player, and he can hardly get a game!!!! There are too many negatives and not enough positives and you can try to paper over the canyons if you want but I for one and many others are not going to buy it anymore. Rant over!!!!!!!!

[livrule]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title.

Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

This is Liverpool FC ...

Wanting 4th is a minimum expectation ...

What is with all this midtable thinking ... just sad.

[L-E-S-S-T-H-A-N]

Realism. I love that word.

[Kring]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title.

Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

This all is ********! Kenny has bought all the players you mention. Why do you think anything will get better? And by selling the same players for less....get real!!!

Another thing. Why do all Kenny fans always say our squad is not better than this, we should not expect more? We have spend 100 mln the last year. We're loosing to teams that would be happy to spend 100 mln on there complete squad. How much did, Arsenal, Tottenham and ManU spend? Kenny is taking us down hill....everybody should be able to see that!!!!

[-Topper-]

The reality is that things have not worked out as well as most people hoped. Arguments could be made against transfer policy, team selection, tactics, substitutions, injuries etc. Bottom line is that something somewhere is going horribly wrong and the longer it manifests itself the harder it will be to find a solution. The team looked utterly lost today. Dark times for the club.

[Spcktor]

The reality is that we need an overhaul. Carroll, Downing, Adam, Henderson, Adam, kuyt and possibly Reina should all leave this summer. Maxi and Aurelio both have diminishing contracts so they will leave anyway. After watching Jonjo today and seeing how he tries to drive the team forward with his vision and eye for pass, i've concluded that Henderson is not good enough for LFC and should be sold because he'll never be great. Although he's 22 years old but he's much older than Jonjo and has been playing in the premiership for over 3 years yet Shelvey has proven to be capable of impacting his presence on the pitch. Unlike Henderson, shelvey gives you lots of reason to make you believe he has a bright future. Reina has been poor for 2 seasons now, if we get a high offer for him in the summer, i suggest we sell him and go for younger keepers like Bernd Leno, Dortmunds keeper or even Jack Butland or Hugo Lloris. Unlike Reina, atleast these keepers actually prefer to make saves rather than standing and looking clueless.

[jezjb1]

Here is a realism, we are closer to Wolves then we are Man City!

[scoose08]

The reality is that we need an overhaul. Carroll, Downing, Adam, Henderson, Adam, kuyt and possibly Reina should all leave this summer.

I am guessing Adam is that bad you want him to leave twice

[vicarious81]

The reality is we went from playing in the champions league every season, and challenging for the premiership(in benitez' reign) to a mid table cup team after spending 100 million + on players.

Adam should not be at this club, neither should Henderson, Carroll, or Downing. Spearing needs moving on, and if people think Jonjo Shelvey should be playing in the first team then we're in big trouble.

Carragher is finished and even Reina is looking shaky.

The only real class players we have right now are Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Suarez and Bellamy. With Kuyt also being a consistent performer worthy of the first team.

Problem is, Johnson is injury prone, Gerrard is 31, Bellamy is 32(I think) and has dodgy knees, and Kuyt is 31 now.

We miss Lucas badly, since he got injured our defense has gone to pot.

I don't know if Kenny should go or not, my heart says no, my head says yes, he's had huge transfer funds and were 2 points ahead of 9th place, and 13 points behind 4th, and the teams in 3rd,4th and 5th have been poor all season, Arsenal are only now finding form.

Chelsea are dire compared to what they have been for the last 5 years, and they are still in a better position than us.

Time for some big decisions to be made in the summer.

[OldSniperwolfy96]

Look Suarez, Stevie, Sterling are key. The rest need to wake up and realize what club they are playing for

[livrule]

The reality is we went from playing in the champions league every season, and challenging for the premiership(in benitez' reign) to a mid table cup team after spending 100 million + on players.

Adam should not be at this club, neither should Henderson, Carroll, or Downing. Spearing needs moving on, and if people think Jonjo Shelvey should be playing in the first team then we're in big trouble.

Carragher is finished and even Reina is looking shaky.

The only real class players we have right now are Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Suarez and Bellamy. With Kuyt also being a consistent performer worthy of the first team.

Problem is, Johnson is injury prone, Gerrard is 31, Bellamy is 32(I think) and has dodgy knees, and Kuyt is 31 now.

We miss Lucas badly, since he got injured our defense has gone to pot.

I don't know if Kenny should go or not, my heart says no, my head says yes, he's had huge transfer funds and were 2 points ahead of 9th place, and 13 points behind 4th, and the teams in 3rd,4th and 5th have been poor all season, Arsenal are only now finding form.

Chelsea are dire compared to what they have been for the last 5 years, and they are still in a better position than us.

Time for some big decisions to be made in the summer.

Indeed ...

The thing is ... Under Rafa we were challenging for top honours but even then we weren't good enough ... not even close.

He had one bad season followed by six months under Roy (Both during the worst ownership situation) and suddenly everyones standards have dropped through the floor ...

The excuses I've seen on here for certain players and so many poor results is sickening and shocking ... People have forgotten who we are and what we should be aiming for.

[vicarious81]

Indeed ...

The thing is ... Under Rafa we were challenging for top honours but even then we weren't good enough ... not even close.

He had one bad season followed by six months under Roy (Both during the worst ownership situation) and suddenly everyones standards have dropped through the floor ...

The excuses I've seen on here for certain players and so many poor results is sickening and shocking ... People have forgotten who we are and what we should be aiming for.

Exactly.

And I don't subscribe to the whole "we are in a transition period", look at the manure, on paper their team is average at best, yet they're joint top of the league, sure they got humiliated in europe at every stage and are out of the domestic cups but in the league they are still able to deliver, sure they get some games handed to them on a plate by webb, dowd and other assorted trash but they are still up there, and on merit.

The simple truth is, Kenny hadn't been a manager in years, he came in and lifted the team, brought everyone together, players, fans, staff etc and brought in Suarez who has been fantastic, and any one who says he isn't our best player isn't watching our games, however, he's essentially being tasked with winning games by himself and that's too much to ask.

Kenny should have stepped aside for a big name manager in the summer, someone who had been managing consistently at the top level and with a good record, most likely a foreign manager, who would have brought in some foreign players with a bit of pace and craft and who are a goal threat, not decidedly average English players with massively inflated price tags who are petrified when faced with the prospect of scoring a goal.

[livrule]

Exactly.

And I don't subscribe to the whole "we are in a transition period", look at the manure, on paper their team is average at best, yet they're joint top of the league, sure they got humiliated in europe at every stage and are out of the domestic cups but in the league they are still able to deliver, sure they get some games handed to them on a plate by webb, dowd and other assorted trash but they are still up there, and on merit.

The simple truth is, Kenny hadn't been a manager in years, he came in and lifted the team, brought everyone together, players, fans, staff etc and brought in Suarez who has been fantastic, and any one who says he isn't our best player isn't watching our games, however, he's essentially being tasked with winning games by himself and that's too much to ask.

Kenny should have stepped aside for a big name manager in the summer, someone who had been managing consistently at the top level and with a good record, most likely a foreign manager, who would have brought in some foreign players with a bit of pace and craft and who are a goal threat, not decidedly average English players with massively inflated price tags who are petrified when faced with the prospect of scoring a goal.

Indeed ... They beat the teams they should beat and job done ... They don't need to be epic because right now this league is in such a poor state.

And that should keep every Liverpool fan awake at night ... Top to bottom this division is as average as it has been in years ... If we are utterly failing now just wait until the other big boys start to improve.

Our record against relegation fodder is the stuff of nightmares ... nearly every team in the bottom half has walked away from playing us laughing with points stuffed in their back pockets.

Legend he may be ... Modern, smart manager? ... Not looking good right now.

[RossMosh]

Realism is me before the season predicting all of this to happen.

This "get behind the manager" stuff isn't realism. It's just nonsense. I'm not that smart and if I can predict all of our issues after we played 3 games, then we have some serious blatantly obvious issues.

[Nuges]

Here is a realism, we are closer to Wolves then we are Man City!

True

[Nuges]

Exactly.

And I don't subscribe to the whole "we are in a transition period", look at the manure, on paper their team is average at best, yet they're joint top of the league, sure they got humiliated in europe at every stage and are out of the domestic cups but in the league they are still able to deliver, sure they get some games handed to them on a plate by webb, dowd and other assorted trash but they are still up there, and on merit.

The simple truth is, Kenny hadn't been a manager in years, he came in and lifted the team, brought everyone together, players, fans, staff etc and brought in Suarez who has been fantastic, and any one who says he isn't our best player isn't watching our games, however, he's essentially being tasked with winning games by himself and that's too much to ask.

Kenny should have stepped aside for a big name manager in the summer, someone who had been managing consistently at the top level and with a good record, most likely a foreign manager, who would have brought in some foreign players with a bit of pace and craft and who are a goal threat, not decidedly average English players with massively inflated price tags who are petrified when faced with the prospect of scoring a goal.

exactly

[Nuges]

I am guessing Adam is that bad you want him to leave twice

I guess so

[robertretford]

True

Actually it isn't. Man City is under 40 miles and Wolves is about 90.

[liv4EveR5]

Yes we are all upset with the way the season has gone, and yes we all want to apportion blame to anyone we can think of, which is just an emotional response.

This season has been as Kenny has said at various times has been filled with a lot of unsettling issues, which seem to have led to so much inconsistency.

These being;

The injury to key players, the constant changes made to the team, inconsistency and lack of focus, bad luck in front of goal with post hitting, goalie saves etc etc, Suarez being banned and our very poor home form.

Yes we can make a case that if we hadn't drawn all those games and not lost others we'd easily be in the top 3.

But realistically speaking this squad of players has not gelled into a winning combination because they didn't play 10 games or more together. Neither do they possess the talent of our previous great teams. The biggest issue is goal scoring. The finishing has been pathetic.

Henderson, Carroll, Adam, are not in the same league as Barnes, Beardsley and co. This squad would have been thrashed by the teams of the 80s and 90s

Who scored our goals? Keagan, Toshack, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mc Mannaman, Owen, just to name a few. We have Steven, maybe Suarez, and then who? We wouldn't even have considered an Andy Carroll even if he were a freebee. Why because we like Barca were the best team on the planet at times, and those teams would have walked the premiership of today, because a lot of todays teams are very overrated.

Our expectations for this season are far too high. We are not going to have instant success because it takes time to build the RIGHT group of players into a team.

Sterling showed in a few minutes he is a future match winner, while Carroll will leave sooner rather than later, as not every buy a manager makes works out no matter what his name is. However that is not to say that if one wants to play pass and move like we did in the old days, you can only do it if you have the players with the talent for it, and right now we don't. But can we expect that when our team goes onto the pitch at Anfield it gives 200% and forgets about nonsense like tiredness. In this respect Kenny is too soft, but he will always back the players in public, and he will never wash his dirty linen in public. So don't expect any of that.

In all fairness we need to be honest enough to say our bar is set very high. The League and the CL are really all that count for us. The other 2 Cups don't really matter, and the Europa Cup, is just a waste of valuable energy in accomplishing this. So when we don't win either of the former, we aren't doing well. Look at the money that Chelsea and City have spent and we spent 100 mill on young english players. Here we could remind ourselves of the players who have left the club in recent times who had the talent to form the core of the pass and move, who have been replaced by whom. Is Charlie Adam, Henderson, in the same class as Xabi Alsonso ????? NO WAY. Add to this the players that may have come had we had the money to pay for them.

Let's rather take the knock now because what's done is done. We need to focus on winning the FA CUP, get behind Kenny and the squad, and then let Kenny sort out our player situation for next season, and get rid of those who are just not good enough to win a league title.

Asking why this why that, is not going to solve anything, and the past cannot be changed and comparisons to the past can be odious.

We are exactly where we deserve to be now, and to win the League we have to have a team of sufficiently talented, determined, and hungry enough players to do it.

No manager wants to win the League and CL more than Kenny does. He will do it, and he will do it his way, and he deserves our respect, out time and patience to let him get on and do it.

This final point sums up LFC football club right now. Living in the past and holding onto a dream, a believe and something which is and going to further destroy this great club. To think we are putting all our eggs into 1 basket and backing a manager simply because of who he is and not where we are currently.

This is LFC, not KD FC. He has no divine right to win anything and the very fact we offer sympathy and use this as an excuse to defend a complete shambles of a season is inexcusable.

He has EVERYONES respect, he does not have a devine right to be manager and he should not be immune to criticism, majority of which is justly deserved.

[Nuges]

This is Liverpool FC ...

Wanting 4th is a minimum expectation ...

What is with all this midtable thinking ... just sad.

That is what we have become and will be for a few more years until the yanks sell and we have truly rich owners and a top manager

[liv4EveR5]

That is what we have become and will be for a few more years until the yanks sell and we have truly rich owners and a top manager

Thats a bit harsh on current owners, not many managers get 120million to spend, regardless of players sold. We had a massive opportunity this year to close the gap, and we have completely butchered it

[ShankPaisLish]

My god, some of you clueless, half hearted excuses for supporters make me want to vomit.

Supporters who REALLY believe in this club its ethos and its history back KK to the hilt. If he feels he should step aside he will, but he will not be run out by little internet warriors who dont have a clue what this great club is about.

[liv4EveR5]

My god, some of you clueless, half hearted excuses for supporters make me want to vomit.

Supporters who REALLY believe in this club its ethos and its history back KK to the hilt. If he feels he should step aside he will, but he will not be run out by little internet warriors who dont have a clue what this great club is about.

That is just so so so wrong. Just because people would believe in this does not make it right, its completely the wrong attitude to have. This is Liverpool Football Club, NOT Kenny's football club.

[ShankPaisLish]

That is just so so so wrong. Just because people would believe in this does not make it right, its completely the wrong attitude to have.

Kenny said he would step aside if he felt it right for the club, I dont believe he should. What I am saying is that supposed fans calling for his head on here make me want to vomit. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[liv4EveR5]

Kenny said he would step aside if he felt it right for the club, I dont believe he should. What I am saying is that supposed fans calling for his head on here make me want to vomit. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said what you said, its very clear. kENNY WILL DECIDE IF AND WHEN HE SHOULD STEP DOWN. That is BS and not what most people agree with that support the club. He is not the be all and end all and is not the club, he has no right what so ever to decide such things and to presume that is simply foolish.

It is NOT up to Kenny to decide whats right and wrong and when this time is right. He is manager, that is it. He will be judged by his superiors (the owners) and they will decide. The sooner the club wake up and get a grip the better, we are stuck in the 80's believing the title with KD is a sure thing. ITS NOT.

Get a grip and get out of this Kenny can do no wrong, Kenny will decide I am sick to death of it. He is a hero to everyone but he is manager now, much like Roy should be judged on current performances and right now its embarresing.

[liv4EveR5]

Kenny said he would step aside if he felt it right for the club, I dont believe he should. What I am saying is that supposed fans calling for his head on here make me want to vomit. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet you were vomiting when they were calling for Roys head, he produced EXACTLY the same as Kennys last 25 games, in fact he was 4 or 5 points better off

[PePeReina]

REALISM is Kenny is not up to the job. I just feel like he is turning LFC to be a mid-table team like Newcastle or Sunderland

[livrule]

Kenny said he would step aside if he felt it right for the club, I dont believe he should. What I am saying is that supposed fans calling for his head on here make me want to vomit. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And admit he failed?

Yeah ... I don't see that.

Kenny is as stubborn as they get ... This isn't like before, he walks again and people will just see failure .... He'll need pushing this time.