Never thought I would say this but is it not worth this being around for a day or two?
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Never thought I would say this but is it not worth this being around for a day or two?
It was put back on in FD, not sure about Est though
It would probably be wise if not.Originally Posted by tweepie
I can just imagine the threads when we have a press conference officially announcing our new manager.
It would be good to see it in EST for a while if im honest. We have had enough negative threads to last a while. I think full lock down until we have a clear picture of who will be joining BR.
Thread Moderation is only turned off when the mods get lazy
Thread moderation now enabled in both forums.
We don't want it on, not just because of impact on mods but because the posters who write good new threads suffer. We'd prefer to move towards individual posters losing new thread rights if they continue to start duplicate or very poor quality threads. For now however given the volumes involved it makes sense to have it runningThread Moderation is only turned off when the mods get lazy
Thread moderation now enabled in both forums.
We don't want it on, not just because of impact on mods but because the posters who write good new threads suffer. We'd prefer to move towards individual posters losing new thread rights if they continue to start duplicate or very poor quality threads. For now however given the volumes involved it makes sense to have it running
This is true, it adds a massive amount to work onto the Mods. We have to sift through a lot of threads and it leads to frustration on our part having to read each post and then deciding if its:
1) worth approving
2) If yes is it worth a thread of its own or should it be merged to an existing thread.
Some of the one liners we see are shocking.
And sadly some cracking threads do get missed which is unfair to the poster who has spent a lot of time and effort coming up with a good thread.
Other times we see great posts but we cant give them a thread of their own because there is an existing thread on the topic so we have to merge it into the existing thread.
All in all, thread mod is not something we (mods and Matt) and you (the posters) like. Boo to Thread mod a necessary evil.
how can i contact you directly matt got a serious issue with a troll user who the mods won't deal withThread moderation now enabled in both forums.
We don't want it on, not just because of impact on mods but because the posters who write good new threads suffer. We'd prefer to move towards individual posters losing new thread rights if they continue to start duplicate or very poor quality threads. For now however given the volumes involved it makes sense to have it running
Use the report button.
used it alot, a thread about wanting suarez to leave lfc has been deleted in transfer section thanks mod who did this!
Last edited by Dirny; 31-5-12 at 15:56. Reason: best not to name names.
I understand the reasoning behind thread moderation, but let me give you my perspective on it.Thread moderation now enabled in both forums.
We don't want it on, not just because of impact on mods but because the posters who write good new threads suffer. We'd prefer to move towards individual posters losing new thread rights if they continue to start duplicate or very poor quality threads. For now however given the volumes involved it makes sense to have it running
I am here as a customer and a consumer of a service that liverpoolfc.tv provides. The EST forum is a service that I pay for, and at the moment that service is not living up to my expectations.
It is true that duplicate and poor quality threads is a problem on the EST forum, but I also find that the thread moderation diminishes the quality of the service that I am paying for.
- First of all, it makes it harder for me to post, and I don't know what happens to new threads that I try to start.
- Second, I have no idea what I am missing out on in terms of new threads from other posters. As an intelligent adult, I would prefer to judge the quality and relevance of posts myself. I believe I am a better judge of what I am interested in reading than any of the moderators on this site.
- Third, even if an OP might fit in another thread, it can drown in the sheer volume of posts, and it is a lot harder to go through a thread of 10+ pages to find the quality posts than it is to find one that is on the first page. If it is an OP of 2-3 lines, it makes sense to merge it, but longer posts that show sign of effort and thought are much more difficult to find in older threads, and that means that more posts of interest are lost.
So as a paying customer, I am not satisfied with this service.
It could probably be turned off now is EST. I'm afraid Matt is away and the mods are not able to do so.
Mods its the fourth time i have made a thread an not one has been approved, I have just done one about a harry redknapp interview on SSN just now. can it become a thread its becoming a joke.. no pint makin any topics.
I approved that before you posed this.
What service is being provided though, I think that needs to be outlined.
My own personal view on it is that we (and I include myself in this as I once was a paying poster) pay for the privilege of being able to post 24 hours a day 7 days a week (with exceptions of particular holidays) we do not pay for the right to post whatever we like however we like, we must stick within the guidelines as set out in the forums Terms and Conditions (which we all agreed to when we signed up).
On that a number of posters refuse to stick to these t&c's and we find ourselves with duplicate threads many of which are one liners.
They are threads that only Mod's can see.- First of all, it makes it harder for me to post, and I don't know what happens to new threads that I try to start.
- That may be so but Mods have been entrusted by the club through Matt to protect the integrity of these forums and as seen with a thread in OT recently the moral compass of a number of our posters is way off, couple that with the content of some posts in all sub forums if they were allowed to remain they would be an embarrassment to the club and to the fan base.Second, I have no idea what I am missing out on in terms of new threads from other posters. As an intelligent adult, I would prefer to judge the quality and relevance of posts myself. I believe I am a better judge of what I am interested in reading than any of the moderators on this site.
We try to allow well thought out threads to remain on their own however where do we draw the line, should every well thought out post be granted its own thread? If 20 posters post a thread each and all of them are about the New manager and all of them are really well structured and thought out should we allow 20 individual threads on the manager remain?- Third, even if an OP might fit in another thread, it can drown in the sheer volume of posts, and it is a lot harder to go through a thread of 10+ pages to find the quality posts than it is to find one that is on the first page. If it is an OP of 2-3 lines, it makes sense to merge it, but longer posts that show sign of effort and thought are much more difficult to find in older threads, and that means that more posts of interest are lost.
All of the above being said I do think we have a number of excellent posters, like yourself, who are being unfairly punished for the acts of others, I concede that we (Matt and the Mods) need to find a better way of dealing with a flood of threads and I we have had discussions on this in the past in the staff room. If you can think of any better solutions then feel free to share (if not on the open forums then email Matt of hell message me on the Kop).
I understand your frustration and I really do empathise with you, remember its plebs like me that have to read through all the unapproved threads.
It was turned on because there were tons of duplicate threads being started when Rodgers got the job, we'll get it turned back off asap. Looks like only 2 threads haven't been approved in the last 24 hours and we'll continue being pro-active with approving until it can get switched off.
can we approve mods?
it ain't a beauty contest
I understand the problem, but personally I prefer the anarchy of how it used to be over the thread moderation, because it is easy to ignore poor quality threads, but it is impossible to discover what you are missing. The problem is also that it is not always easy for posters to tell how different an OP has to be to merit its own thread. For example, if you want to move the debate in a slightly different direction, you will have to post something that shares similarities with other threads, but if you post it in a longer thread, it is likely to get lost in all the noise.
While it is true that we are not paying for the right to post whatever we like, the rules are not unambiguous, and it is quite possible for someone to start a new thread in good faith only to see it suppressed by the moderators.
Unless they can be merged immediately, I would say yes.We try to allow well thought out threads to remain on their own however where do we draw the line, should every well thought out post be granted its own thread? If 20 posters post a thread each and all of them are about the New manager and all of them are really well structured and thought out should we allow 20 individual threads on the manager remain?
I've never known EST football forum to be so boring. It's the same old threads every day. Matt really should have thought about turning thread moderation off before he went on holiday. It's one problem after another with this place.
Ignore the thread I just put up on Harry Redknapp please, didn't realise there was one already up, ta.
Thread moderation needs to be turned off now, it's a fact, no matter what any mod says.
I don't think there would be any paying customer who would disagree.
It was stupid of Matt to leave without turning it off, but we are just stuck with it unfortunately.
It's probably a good thing for me as I might get some work done, and I have an interview for a promotion on thursday I might actually prepare properly for
If a thread is not appropriate, delete it.
If a thread is a duplicate, merge it.
That's your job.
But we shouldn't have to wait for a thread we post to be approved no matter what it is. Thread moderation was fine for the last few weeks with the manager situation, but it should be switched back now, and that's the end of it.
We aren't paid employees of the club, we moderate in our spare time and can't sit all day refreshing the forums in case a thread needs approval.
That's why we want it turning off.
people will start going to free sites if their isnt a varied amount of threads starting daily. Its a pity because I think this forum is entertaining but all good things I suppose come to an end too.
Bit mellow dramatic that....
2 threads have not been approved in the last 24 hours, as I said earlier, and we're approving all threads and merging if need be. In fact now all threads have been approved in the last 24 hours and we'll carry on doing so.Thread moderation needs to be turned off now, it's a fact, no matter what any mod says.
I don't think there would be any paying customer who would disagree.
It was stupid of Matt to leave without turning it off, but we are just stuck with it unfortunately.
It's probably a good thing for me as I might get some work done, and I have an interview for a promotion on thursday I might actually prepare properly for
Not sure if you're being serious, but it's probably the fact that the seasons finished, the new managers been installed and so it's one of those weeks where there's nowt much going on football wise.
Last edited by ForkHandles; 5-6-12 at 21:46.
Aye that could be it
No not any more, we're counteracting it now though so shouldn't cause any problems, and it was definitely needed when it was switched on at the time of the Rodgers announcement as there were too many threads being started to handle. If there was only one mod around and they were dealing with one problem, they'd come back and find 5 similar threads started, with multiple posts and more new threads popping up.Aye that could be it
Despite TM saying he'd be happy with 20+ threads on the same subject i think there'd be a lot more people annoyed with that scenario.
The last thread to not be approved was at 11pm last night, so i lied it's not quite 24 hours yet.
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