Are our owners just all talk

[InterMyNan]

I doubt the owners will splash the cash again after blowing around 70£ million on transfers. Something tells me BR may have to do it the hard way.

I fear the same - He maybe on a losing horse.....I hope the owners understand that they cannot have it all, beautiful football, top 4, buying players that will be profitable without putting in money themselves... One thing the big teams have done in history recently is that they have spend BIG, and then topped up with one or two players every so often... Man u would get criticised for not buying but they always had a team that was challenging - all because they spent big in the previous years, Chesea, Citeh are no different... You cannot look at the successes of Newcastle last year and hope to achieve this every year as it is more of a miracle than judgement!

[Simo429]

I was beginning to lose faith in them until during the process of finding a new manager Paul Dalglish posted a number of times that he had faith that they were the right people for the job. If a man who's dad was on the inside and got binned still supports them they are worthy of some more time.

As no journos at all knew who we were going for then I don't understand how anyone can believe what is written about budgets and targets ect

[InterMyNan]

I was beginning to lose faith in them until during the process of finding a new manager Paul Dalglish posted a number of times that he had faith that they were the right people for the job. If a man who's dad was on the inside and got binned still supports them they are worthy of some more time.

As no journos at all knew who we were going for then I don't understand how anyone can believe what is written about budgets and targets ect

Possibly but rumours of our transfer targets always give you some indication....its all hearsay i fully appeciate that but i hope we are not left with the underwhelming feeling come the start of the season

[Simo429]

Possibly but rumours of our transfer targets always give you some indication....its all hearsay i fully appeciate that but i hope we are not left with the underwhelming feeling come the start of the season

The talk of transfer targets means absolutely nothing. Journos are pulling names out of the air just as they did with managers while the clubs say nothing.

Actually thats being harsh to journos because a lot of the time its not them, its the agents trying to get teams interested in their players. So far they have done well on most things, I think Kenny should have had another season, I wish we'd had some movement on the stadium but last summer we spent big as we did the Jan before

[redsman10]

I was beginning to lose faith in them until during the process of finding a new manager Paul Dalglish posted a number of times that he had faith that they were the right people for the job. If a man who's dad was on the inside and got binned still supports them they are worthy of some more time.

As no journos at all knew who we were going for then I don't understand how anyone can believe what is written about budgets and targets ect

I agree with you - no one outside the upper management group (and maybe BR) knows what our budget is, and only a few more people might know who our true targets are. Most of the players we're linked with are from agents trying to spur interest in their clients and journos speculating on who we 'should' be targeting based on the needs of our squad. The truth is, every team has lists of players for every position, that have been scouted extensively and will serve to help BR make a decision on who to try for.

Keep the faith in the owners. Based on what I've seen of FSG here in the US, they are very smart people, intelligent businessmen and they tend to keep a low-profile, in both business deals and player signings, and don't make announcements until they are sure of achieving their goal. They are definitely not shy about spending money either, but they realize that we currently can't compete financially with the likes of City, Chelsea and Utd, so we need to be smarter with our resources until we can.

[bingobangobongo]

BR will get all the money he needs to sign the players he wants....there is no doubt about that. FSG want top 4, PL title and CL wins to do that they must either buy big on ready made superstars or buy the younger guys who are on the way to superstardom! Im guessing four players of first team quality with 3 or 4 youngsters.

The youngsters names probably from

Wilf Zaha
Nathan Redmond
Nathanial Clyne
Nick Powell

As for the first team guys your guess is as good as mine

[KopKingLondon93]

I fear the same - He maybe on a losing horse.....I hope the owners understand that they cannot have it all, beautiful football, top 4, buying players that will be profitable without putting in money themselves... One thing the big teams have done in history recently is that they have spend BIG, and then topped up with one or two players every so often... Man u would get criticised for not buying but they always had a team that was challenging - all because they spent big in the previous years, Chesea, Citeh are no different... You cannot look at the successes of Newcastle last year and hope to achieve this every year as it is more of a miracle than judgement!

Pricisely that mate. Well said, we're going nowhere big with this current crop of players, even if Lucas is fit in all honesty we're 6th/5th at the best. We need freshness

[ALDRIDGE]

I`ve a feeling that Rodgers is about to reap the rewards of a reinvigorated youth system, theres 3 or 4 players that are on the cusp of the first team, either this season or next. I expect a couple of signings who have great potential but none that we we will be overly excited about, our team will be about the future ten years not the now.

And whos to thank for that?

[Cumbrian.]

And whos to thank for that?

Does it matter?

[-FordCoutinho-]

eVERYTIME I see them on the tele all they do is talk!

[Buzz-Cagney]

eVERYTIME I see them on the tele all they do is talk!

I agree, it would be better if they just stared down the camera

[Luises-Finger]

I get where you are coming from and i am not saying they are bad owners - however my questions is are they investing enough financially to get us back to the top four. So far i do not see it, its all very well saying they have a plan, they seem very thoughtful, meticulous in their approach however they more time they spend on making the right decisions the further we fall behind.

The seem very rutheless in their approach to business, we have all seen this however if we are to judge them as they have judged DC and KK - then certainly you must agree they have not offered funds willingly - despite the funds made available from sold palyers.

I still feel they need to offer more financially to give the supporters (and yes we are supporters, you do not become a fan by questioning the clubs actions) so hope of breaking back into the top 4.

They're a business and they have an initiative to try and acheive a new way of winning the title based on the principles of money-ball combined with the barca approach to youth building (imo). There's no guarantee the initiative will succeed. If they find out they can't make it work, they'll sell-up and move on. But I suspect they'll give it a good try before that happens. If it doesn't work, we should be in a much stronger position than we have been for a long time. If it does work then we're back on our perch.

All opinion though. But if you look at them and the Red-Sox you can see they're serious and methodical.

[RedManannan]

They spent the best part of 200mil to get the club in the first place. They're not going to let that sort of investment lose value, so I expect some solid funding for Rodgers. None of this 'transfer budget' nonsense, it'll be like last season with Kenny, Rodgers will identify his targets and the owners will fork out the cash.

This.

Plus they forked out £50m earlier in the year didn't they? Wasn't there some talk of a sneaky, unforeseen interest or debt payment from the last regime? I trust these guys. They've handled themselves brilliantly so far. I have little reason to think they won't do all they reasonably can to get us back on track and I think installing Rodgers was the first step on that long road...

[godworethenumber9]

So far i can say they have actually put in very little of their own money, most of the purchases have been funded by sold players, in fact we sold Merelies on the last day for 14m if i remember yet it is being mooted that we only have 30m to spend - so where are they actually contributing - its all very well demanding high standards (4th place) but in reality where money have they ACTUALLY put in to warrant such cut throat decisions.

They want nice pretty football, want to be in 4th position for CL, and finally want to buy young players that will raise in value once we sell them - I ask is ALL Teams have this philosophy (bar Citeh and Chelsea).

So far i have not seen much difference, money talks and it is about time they funded our need for higher profile players! There is not going to be a new stadium so why what are they waiting for? Do they really have the money to challenge for the title....I fear they are all talk, we need our owners to lead by opening their wallets now.

I hope Brendan does not face the same battle - having to generate funds by selling players.... So far i have not seen much to inspire me from these business men...Let it be known even Man U spent big, they too brought their titles so we will need to do the same if we want to be at the top.

Its not just about going into the tranfer market and bidding £30m+ on a dozen world class players. Its about building a stable club that doesnt run at a loss every year. As for your comment about the owners putting little or no money into the club, they took over and wiped clean our £300m debt when they bought the club, and significant funds were given to Kenny to buy the likes of Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson etc.

To sum up what Im saying is, we dont need to spend big to get back into the CL. We have a good group of players here already, yes we need to strengthen, so let the manager buy who he feels will add to the current squad and fit into his style of play. And to counter your "united spend big" comment, how much do Arsenal spend on players each season? not a lot in comparison to other top teams and theyre consistently in the top 4.

[Simo429]

The place where they are making the biggest mistakes is at the very top of the club, Ian Ayres seems to be a very good commercial director but the Suarez affair really showed that he isn't cut out doing the MD role on top of his other responsibilities.

[RossMosh]

The place where they are making the biggest mistakes is at the very top of the club, Ian Ayres seems to be a very good commercial director but the Suarez affair really showed that he isn't cut out doing the MD role on top of his other responsibilities.

Ian Ayre is our best employee by a mile. God forbid the lawyers, manager, and PR people take their lumps.

[Simo429]

Ian Ayre is our best employee by a mile. God forbid the lawyers, manager, and PR people take their lumps.

As an MD is he not incharge of recruiting all those other people so if they aren't doing a good job how is he?

[RossMosh]

As an MD is he not incharge of recruiting all those other people so if they aren't doing a good job how is he?

He took over the job not so long ago and those employees had never been tested with anything up until the Suarez fiasco. After they failed, they were all sacked. Sounds like better management than we've had in 10 years. Previously you could make 20 mistakes and keep your job.

[Lumpy96]

The new owners came in at a real troubled time for the club, we were saddled with crippling debt and in real danger of administration.
They have steadied the ship, so that was major investment to start with. People say they havnt invested their own money for transfers, well they have obviously
put in some as there has been over a 100 million spent on players and even though a large bulk has been from sales of Torres and a few others
at least it has been reinvested in the club.
The owners have shown strong leadership and have moved quickly when things are not going according to plan, they moved quickly when it was going so badly for Roy,
Even though last season was a success in respect of silverwear, and for the most part the team have played very well and but for a season in front of goal that i cant
envisage us ever having again (i think we would have had another 20-30 points) they have taken tough decisions and changed the man in charge again.
Personally i don't think Kenny's team was to far away from coming good (ie the fornt of goal scenario), there have been times we have dominated possesion
and created a multitude of chances and unfortunately not converted them. There have been times when we have played the big clubs and we have matched them
in all but converting the chances created Arsenal being a case in point.
Now we have Mr Rodgers, his team played some wonderful football last season and in their promotion season, with regards to last season, Swansea played for the most
part wonderful football in lots of games they dominated the opposition as in when they dominated us at Anfield, they had masses of possesion but failed to capitalise on chances
created....(i know they didnt create as many clear cut chances as we did over the season) starting to sound familiar, i do think that we have a squad with more quality than Swansea.
With the Rodgers philosophy I think the future is bright, think back to some of our greatest players, they have been picked up from lower league clubs and brought to Anfield
and improved massivley as players, this is something that Brendan has done at the clubs he has been at, so i think we will see this happening at Liverpool again, as well as taking some of our best players and getting extra out of them.
We have to understand that we cant compete financially with the likes of Chelski and now bottomless pockets city, even the scum seem to be heading for some finincial problems.

Personally i think the new owners have done us proud, they have shown strong leadership and are not afraid to take tough decisions.

I am really looking forward to the next chapter in the Liverpool story

YNWA

[KuyTheGeM]

I like this lot of owners i have alot of time for them, they talk then they say look told you we would do that. They will only talk when they have something important to say, they wont just talk for the hell of it, and i like that we have the right owners at the right time and we will go far with that type of backing.

[Simo429]

He took over the job not so long ago and those employees had never been tested with anything up until the Suarez fiasco. After they failed, they were all sacked. Sounds like better management than we've had in 10 years. Previously you could make 20 mistakes and keep your job.

But he had been at the club all that time, if I was giving the managers job at my place tomorrow I wouldn't wait for something bad to happen to decide who is good at their job you would know already from working with them

[suareza]

we will truly see this summer, btw they didn give us 100mil spending spree it was no wheres near that...torres mereiles babel and im sure ngog was sold altogetther they fetched over 70 mil so why does everyone keep saying that???? the owners havent really dipped into there pockets yet like many think..id like to see them give at least 50 mil and sales to sort this mess out

[InterMyNan]

we will truly see this summer, btw they didn give us 100mil spending spree it was no wheres near that...torres mereiles babel and im sure ngog was sold altogetther they fetched over 70 mil so why does everyone keep saying that???? the owners havent really dipped into there pockets yet like many think..id like to see them give at least 50 mil and sales to sort this mess out

Agree completly... The past transfer window we have reused money we have made from sales - however when it is time for the owners to spend this time they seem shy...maybe i am wrong - I hope i really am, as i do not want Rodgers to have little money to start his reign - his is a good coach and his philosophy is one all of us love to see in practise, however he could do with proper backing in the market.

Who knows what will happen, secretly they may not want to advertise how much we have - we have all seen what has happened from our openess in the market - I hope behind close doors they do not say NO to his requests for players.

[FightCloob]

I agree, it would be better if they just stared down the camera

I expect some form of "expressive dance" or "visual story telling" from these people or I will totally lose faith in them!

[hitmanlfc]

I expect some form of "expressive dance" or "visual story telling" from these people or I will totally lose faith in them!

[MilotiNY]

So far i can say they have actually put in very little of their own money, most of the purchases have been funded by sold players, in fact we sold Merelies on the last day for 14m if i remember yet it is being mooted that we only have 30m to spend - so where are they actually contributing - its all very well demanding high standards (4th place) but in reality where money have they ACTUALLY put in to warrant such cut throat decisions.

They want nice pretty football, want to be in 4th position for CL, and finally want to buy young players that will raise in value once we sell them - I ask is ALL Teams have this philosophy (bar Citeh and Chelsea).

So far i have not seen much difference, money talks and it is about time they funded our need for higher profile players! There is not going to be a new stadium so why what are they waiting for? Do they really have the money to challenge for the title....I fear they are all talk, we need our owners to lead by opening their wallets now.

I hope Brendan does not face the same battle - having to generate funds by selling players.... So far i have not seen much to inspire me from these business men...Let it be known even Man U spent big, they too brought their titles so we will need to do the same if we want to be at the top.

You're joking, right? Is it the owners' fault that we paid 35mil for a pony tail, 18-20mil for a winger who can't cross the ball to save his own life and 20mil for a midfielder who is clueless? Stop blaming the owners. These owners actually CARE about this club. This thread is just a wind up.

[Simo429]

You're joking, right? Is it the owners' fault that we paid 35mil for a pony tail, 18-20mil for a winger who can't cross the ball to save his own life and 20mil for a midfielder who is clueless? Stop blaming the owners. These owners actually CARE about this club. This thread is just a wind up.

The owners care about money nothing else, until a month before the purchase they had never heard about Liverpool or had a care about football.

[Red099]

The owners care about money nothing else, until a month before the purchase they had never heard about Liverpool or had a care about football.

According to Paul Tomkins John Henry cared enough to do some research on the club before FSG bought the club and remains in contact with people who care about the club: http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/05/statement-regarding/

That doesnt strike me as being something somebody who cares just about money would do?

In response to InterMyNan, I dont think FSG would have sacked Kenny knowing they would of had to pay several million pounds worthof compensation, or paid compensation to Swansea for BR if they wanted to run the club on the cheap? They would of kept Kenny or got a manager without a club!

Additionally the transfer window has only been open a short time and BR has been at the club less than 2 weeks so isnt it a bit soon to be accusing the owners of not supporting him and being 'shy'? Yes we havent signed a player but of those who have they either have managers who are well established at their respective clubs or have an owner who buys the players anyway so doesnt need a manager in place! Having the Euros taking place may also limit what transfer activity takes place now!

Lets at least see what transfer activity takes place before criticising the owners with no real basis! It went wrong last year and Comolli (& Kenny) is no longer at the club which shows FSG are prepared to take action if things dont work.

The Suarez deal was in place before Torres was sold and would have taken place whether Torres left or not so they showed they are prepared to pay substantial amounts of money on good players, all we have is media rumours saying they will only give BR £25m-£30m but can you show me proof that an LFC official is the source of these rumours? or are the media just guessing with no real basis as is nomal when they have nothing serious to write about?

[Liv4Everrr]

Boston Red Sox are struggling...common theme

[TheVikingMushroom]

If I am honest I will say I am not completely convinced as yet. Everyone goes on about they cleared the debt. They actually bought the club debt effectively and they paid a very undervalued price for it. What was it? Around £300m? If United are worth around £1.5b I would think we would be worth more than what they paid for it so it was a good business decision from good businessmen.

Until I see a good solid NET spend and concrete news on the stadium I will reserve my judgement. I am not trying to sound ungrateful by the way but just a little open-minded. If we don't spend in this window we certainly won't spend in January as the inflated prices. We have 2 of the biggest deals in UK Sport so I expect as little more financial clout. Remember Henry's phrase 'We are here to win'. Well it's time to show us the fibre of you're fabric Mr Henry