letting players go on the cheap!

**darboy** · 13-6-12,13:15

Am i alone in thinking that we let players go for way less than there worth? excluding torres how many players have we sold for a decent fee? I'm hearing that ac milan are looking for aqua back on loan for another season and if the club allow it then in my opinion its a travesty! theres also been rumours of us taking 3m for him which is shocking,,, I dont see any other top teams dealing with sales like we do and in my opinion we need to start handling these outgoing transfers better and start making a profit! thoughts anyone???

**livermaina** · 13-6-12,13:50

Why sell such type of a player for 3 mil.
What we are going to buy with such money !
It is a travesty

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,13:54

Originally Posted by livermaina

Why sell such type of a player for 3 mil.
What we are going to buy with such money !
It is a travesty

Because he's probably on 80k a week and next season or the season after he will go for free!

Unfortunately your bargaining position is eroded by things like

how much they want to be at the club
how important they are
how long their contract is
how much they earn

If we bring Aquilani back we would
have to pay him which at 75k a week is nearly 4 million pound and then we might incur some of his clauses which pay Roma more money and next season if we still want rid we will get even less because he still won't want to be here and his contract will be even less.

Time to cut our losses on this one

**AlessoAfrojackAvicii** · 13-6-12,13:54

for the past few seasons our transfer policy has been:

Pay over the odds for players coming in
Let the players going out leave for buttons
Any player who wants to leave can leave

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,13:56

Originally Posted by GoinOnMern

for the past few seasons our transfer policy has been:

Pay over the odds for players coming in
Let the players going out leave for buttonsAny player who wants to leave can leave

Torres
Xabi
Mascherano

Buttons?

Over the past 5 years we have made more profit on players than at any point I can remember

**DFK6** · 13-6-12,13:57

Originally Posted by darboy

Am i alone in thinking that we let players go for way less than there worth? excluding torres how many players have we sold for a decent fee? I'm hearing that ac milan are looking for aqua back on loan for another season and if the club allow it then in my opinion its a travesty! theres also been rumours of us taking 3m for him which is shocking,,, I dont see any other top teams dealing with sales like we do and in my opinion we need to start handling these outgoing transfers better and start making a profit! thoughts anyone???

It more about clearing up the wage bill to be honest though pal.

**AlessoAfrojackAvicii** · 13-6-12,13:58

Originally Posted by Simo429

Torres
Xabi
Mascherano

Buttons?

Over the past 5 years we have made more profit on players than at any point I can remember

thanks to a few big names yes. But a lot of other players have left for peanuts despite what we paid for them.

**YNWALONE** · 13-6-12,13:58

Originally Posted by darboy

Am i alone in thinking that we let players go for way less than there worth? excluding torres how many players have we sold for a decent fee? I'm hearing that ac milan are looking for aqua back on loan for another season and if the club allow it then in my opinion its a travesty! theres also been rumours of us taking 3m for him which is shocking,,, I dont see any other top teams dealing with sales like we do and in my opinion we need to start handling these outgoing transfers better and start making a profit! thoughts anyone???

cos this is the liverpool way. overpay and sell cheap

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,14:00

Originally Posted by GoinOnMern

thanks to a few big names yes. But a lot of other players have left for peanuts despite what we paid for them.

That happens at the majority of clubs unless they go on to a bigger club and as this is Liverpool that doesn't happen all that often.

The worst one was Arbeloa but we can thank Carragher and Cecil for that one.

**DFK6** · 13-6-12,14:02

Originally Posted by YNWALONE

cos this is the liverpool way. overpay and sell cheap

What are you talking about, look at the players simo mentioned above that we made a profit on, then i presume you talking of the likes of Kuyt and if you don't think we got our moneys worth out of Dirk then there no hope for you.

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,14:04

Originally Posted by DFK6

What are you talking about, look at the players simo mentioned above that we made a profit on, then i presume you talking of the likes of Kuyt and if you don't think we got our moneys worth out of Dirk then there no hope for you.

Exactly, yes Dirk will go for next to nothing but he is worth very little.

If players are succesess you either bleed them till their worthless (like Dirk) or you sell them on for a profit
If they aren't you lose money for them and then its more to do with scouting than business.

I bet if you looked across the league the majority of players out of clubs in the premiership was at a loss.

**Eckley** · 13-6-12,14:09

There are a couple annoying one's we get done over on... Babel was a waste of money.. God knows how we let Arbeloa go for what we did... Keane was a waste and it looks like Aqua will be too unfortunately.

But as pointed out above, we also make some hefty profits.. It evens itself out, but when we do make losses, they do seem to be extreme.

**DFK6** · 13-6-12,14:10

Originally Posted by Simo429

Exactly, yes Dirk will go for next to nothing but he is worth very little.

If players are succesess you either bleed them till their worthless (like Dirk) or you sell them on for a profit
If they aren't you lose money for them and then its more to do with scouting than business.

I bet if you looked across the league the majority of players out of clubs in the premiership was at a loss.

Again very good points.

People seem to forget we're saving over £4m a year on wages by letting a player who gave his all for us but is now well past his best go on the cheap.

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,14:10

Originally Posted by Eckley

There are a couple annoying one's we get done over on... Babel was a waste of money.. God knows how we let Arbeloa go for what we did... Keane was a waste and it looks like Aqua will be too unfortunately.

But as pointed out above, we also make some hefty profits.. It evens itself out, but when we do make losses, they do seem to be extreme.

Babel, Aquilani and Keane were losses because they were bad signings not becuase of the business though. Arbeloa was because his head was turned by Madrid and because Carragher nearly smacked him on the pitch.

**DFK6** · 13-6-12,14:12

Originally Posted by Eckley

There are a couple annoying one's we get done over on... Babel was a waste of money.. God knows how we let Arbeloa go for what we did... Keane was a waste and it looks like Aqua will be too unfortunately.

But as pointed out above, we also make some hefty profits.. It evens itself out, but when we do make losses, they do seem to be extreme.

We still recouped a large portion of what we paid for Babel though.

**Scouseuk11** · 13-6-12,14:15

Excluding Torres, Alonso & Mascherano. it would seem we do let players leave cheap however. The amount of crap players we had on high wages was criminal. I read some where that the likes of

Degen - 60k per week
Jovanovic 90k per week
Aquilani 80k per wekk
Kuyt 80k per week
Aurelio 60k per week
Kyriakos 50k per week
Konchesky & Poulsen would have also been on no doubt high wages so getting these players off the bill free's up a lot more money that the transfer fees show. The figures I posted are by no way totally accurate but even in the region of they wages the quality of players should be much higher.

**370** · 13-6-12,14:19

Buying expensive and selling cheap has been the "Liverpool way" over the last few seasons.
And even when we send players out on loan, we seem to still be paying a major part of their salaries...

**grudge** · 13-6-12,14:27

Originally Posted by Simo429

Because he's probably on 80k a week and next season or the season after he will go for free!

Unfortunately your bargaining position is eroded by things like

how much they want to be at the club
how important they are
how long their contract is
how much they earn

If we bring Aquilani back we would
have to pay him which at 75k a week is nearly 4 million pound and then we might incur some of his clauses which pay Roma more money and next season if we still want rid we will get even less because he still won't want to be here and his contract will be even less.

Time to cut our losses on this one

Yes you would be right looking at only the negatives of keeping him, but if we look at our squad we could do with a creative player like Aquilani to maybe help us challenge for a top four place and if we managed to gain that place because of his presence £4m is a small price to pay.

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,14:28

Originally Posted by grudge

Yes you would be right looking at only the negatives of keeping him, but if we look at our squad we could do with a creative player like Aquilani to maybe help us challenge for a top four place and if we managed to gain that place because of his presence £4m is a small price to pay.

He's a good player but a good player who doesn't want to be here is worthless

**grudge** · 13-6-12,14:32

Originally Posted by Simo429

Babel, Aquilani and Keane were losses because they were bad signings not becuase of the business though. Arbeloa was because his head was turned by Madrid and because Carragher nearly smacked him on the pitch.

In the case of Aquilani I beg to differ, sending him out on loan was bad business when he was clearly better than some of the midfielders we brought in.

**grudge** · 13-6-12,14:35

Originally Posted by Simo429

He's a good player but a good player who doesn't want to be here is worthless

He doesn't want to be here now maybe because of the way we have alienated him, Hodgson sent him out on loan because he couldn't find a spot for him in our squad but could find one for the likes of Polsen.lol

**RedResurgence** · 13-6-12,14:44

Originally Posted by grudge

He doesn't want to be here now maybe because of the way we have alienated him, Hodgson sent him out on loan because he couldn't find a spot for him in our squad but could find one for the likes of Polsen.lol

You have to wonder why though, under 3 managers now rightly or wrongly he's been deemed not good enough for a regular berth, and we haven't exactly had an suitors beating down our door to sign him, even at a cut price.

Re the OP: I'm pretty sure every club makes losses on player sales at the sharp end of the table, it's not exclusive to LFC, although our financial state in recent years has made it more of a concern than it is for the cash rich City's and Chelseas of this world. We've been pretty lucky the last few years to actually have players whose value has increased to offset the losses on other players.

**Eckley** · 13-6-12,14:45

Originally Posted by Simo429

Babel, Aquilani and Keane were losses because they were bad signings not becuase of the business though. Arbeloa was because his head was turned by Madrid and because Carragher nearly smacked him on the pitch.

They cost an aweful lot though and we let/will let them go for a lot cheaper than we got them for.. Still bad business because they were bad signings, the same could be said for Downing for instance if he has another shocker and is let for for 5/6million for example. Understand Arbeloa but still it's annoying.

**DFK6** · 13-6-12,14:46

Originally Posted by grudge

Yes you would be right looking at only the negatives of keeping him, but if we look at our squad we could do with a creative player like Aquilani to maybe help us challenge for a top four place and if we managed to gain that place because of his presence £4m is a small price to pay.

But he had chances here and wasn't very impressive at all.

**grudge** · 13-6-12,14:51

Originally Posted by DFK6

But he had chances here and wasn't very impressive at all.

The few chances he had I think he was very impressive.

**SuperTorRainer** · 13-6-12,14:54

Originally Posted by darboy

Am i alone in thinking that we let players go for way less than there worth? excluding torres how many players have we sold for a decent fee? I'm hearing that ac milan are looking for aqua back on loan for another season and if the club allow it then in my opinion its a travesty! theres also been rumours of us taking 3m for him which is shocking,,, I dont see any other top teams dealing with sales like we do and in my opinion we need to start handling these outgoing transfers better and start making a profit! thoughts anyone???

Kuyt going for a million was a big surprise to me. Didn't they buy for 11 mil? Surely 4 mill minimum for him at 31.

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,15:06

Originally Posted by Eckley

They cost an aweful lot though and we let/will let them go for a lot cheaper than we got them for.. Still bad business because they were bad signings, the same could be said for Downing for instance if he has another shocker and is let for for 5/6million for example. Understand Arbeloa but still it's annoying.

When a player isn't good enough it becomes about minimising loss, where Keane was one of if not Rafas worst signing he minimised the loss well by getting rid quickly

**RedResurgence** · 13-6-12,15:07

Originally Posted by SuperTorRainer

Kuyt going for a million was a big surprise to me. Didn't they buy for 11 mil? Surely 4 mill minimum for him at 31.

He only had one year left on his current deal with us afaik, and besides we got out moneys worth out of him, and let him leave when he was surplus to requirements without making stupid demands as a thank you for his service. The 1m we got plus the saving on his wages makes it not such a bad deal really and we don't end up looking bad for haggling over a 31 yr old whose been a great servant to the club and possibly end up having to keep a (had we not sold him because of the asking price) unhappy player because of our demands.

**Simo429** · 13-6-12,15:08

Originally Posted by grudge

He doesn't want to be here now maybe because of the way we have alienated him, Hodgson sent him out on loan because he couldn't find a spot for him in our squad but could find one for the likes of Polsen.lol

Rafa didn't play him when he was fully fit sighting psychological reasons and mystery tummy bugs
ProjectOWL didn't use him
Kenny didn't use him
and now Rodgers won't use him

what does that say? Do they all have it in for Aquilani or is there something else.

I think he is a quality player but when he doesn't get a game under 4 managers reguarly then questions need to be asked.

**grudge** · 13-6-12,15:10

Originally Posted by RedResurgence

You have to wonder why though, under 3 managers now rightly or wrongly he's been deemed not good enough for a regular berth, and we haven't exactly had an suitors beating down our door to sign him, even at a cut price.

Re the OP: I'm pretty sure every club makes losses on player sales at the sharp end of the table, it's not exclusive to LFC, although our financial state in recent years has made it more of a concern than it is for the cash rich City's and Chelseas of this world. We've been pretty lucky the last few years to actually have players whose value has increased to offset the losses on other players.

Seriously watching him play for us in pre-season, looking head and shoulders above other midfielders, did you think this player is not good enough to play for Liverpoolfc?........................... Once Hodgso sent him out on loan Stating he couldn't find a place for him in his squad we lost the heart of the player and also sent out a message to other clubs that we didn't really want him.

Knowing this would you want to pay a large transfer fee for Aquilani, when you know if you wait patiently you could get him for peanuts eventualy.
What really needs to happen here is for us to bring him back, like we should have done last season and play him.

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