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    A really interesting training aid used by Borussia Dortmund: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhAyX81zP2M

    Anyone else think the club should get one? Should be helpful in getting players accustomed in our way of playing.
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    We need to get this right away! Some great stuff.
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    You can create the same thing using your squad with the added benefit of learning to passing to a player and not a green box suspended in the sky.
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    Cant we just have players passing it in and cones for the guy in the middle to kick it between?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckNCover View Post
    You can create the same thing using your squad with the added benefit of learning to passing to a player and not a green box suspended in the sky.
    Haha thats true but its still a decent little aid, wonder how much it costs. Also If you have a squad 40 players they all have to take it turns to have a go.
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    Thats the future of football training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckNCover View Post
    You can create the same thing using your squad with the added benefit of learning to passing to a player and not a green box suspended in the sky.
    Of course, but the machine gives you more options. The balls played will be more consistent, and the passes played more varied. You also get the results of the training easily for comparison and improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koppette View Post
    Haha thats true but its still a decent little aid, wonder how much it costs. Also If you have a squad 40 players they all have to take it turns to have a go.
    No team building, spotting a pass, identifying a pass, judging of distance, weighting through balls, movement...

    All in all, I think it's a publicity stunt and is in no way actually useful to football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    Of course, but the machine gives you more options. The balls played will be more consistent, and the passes played more varied. You also get the results of the training easily for comparison and improvement.
    But passes in matches won't be so consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    Of course, but the machine gives you more options. The balls played will be more consistent, and the passes played more varied. You also get the results of the training easily for comparison and improvement.
    Having the passes being received more consistent does not teach you how to receive a pass in a real game.

    Honestly, I think this is poor idea and someone's wasted a lot of money developing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner View Post
    But passes in matches won't be so consistent.
    I think it is something that would benefit kids or a learning player more, or if for some reason you have a player who is un confident on the ball.

    I can't see it benefiting a player of any sort of decent playing level although it would make an interesting game to try and beat your team mates at if it had a scoring system, that would be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner View Post
    But passes in matches won't be so consistent.
    I worded that poorly. What I meant was that the passes can be consistent for the pass meant to be made. You can control the spin, simulate long passes, etc.
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    The same effect can be achieved with half a dozen academy kids firing passes in to a player. and Joe Cole on a bike as a target

    The blokes gotta earn his wages somehow........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollySlowly View Post
    The same effect can be achieved with half a dozen academy kids firing passes in to a player. and Joe Cole on a bike as a target

    The blokes gotta earn his wages somehow........
    I remember Dirty Sanchez doing something like that with Beckham and Ronaldo
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    WTF, since when did Amini join Borussia Dortmund?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckNCover View Post
    You can create the same thing using your squad with the added benefit of learning to passing to a player and not a green box suspended in the sky.
    Quote Originally Posted by DuckNCover View Post
    No team building, spotting a pass, identifying a pass, judging of distance, weighting through balls, movement...

    All in all, I think it's a publicity stunt and is in no way actually useful to football.
    Quote Originally Posted by DuckNCover View Post
    Having the passes being received more consistent does not teach you how to receive a pass in a real game.

    Honestly, I think this is poor idea and someone's wasted a lot of money developing it.
    I think you are missing a big point here. First of all, this is not the only kind of training that Dortmund does. It's a way of complementing regular training with specific training in a specific subset of skills. It is to improve reaction time, vision, ball reception, and accuracy in passing, and while there are limits to what you can do in this setting, it does provide some very useful elements of a good and enjoyable learning environment.

    - It can provide different levels of challenge.
    - You adjust the time interval between the balls played at the player an the total number of balls in a session.
    - It provides instant feedback in the form of a measurement of accuracy and speed, i.e. how many balls hit the target, and how long did it take the player to get it under control and make the pass.
    - The instant feedback also encourages repeating the exercise in order to improve.
    - It is more physically challenging than it appears.

    Dortmund use it not just for first team practice but also for reserves and youngsters, but most notably perhaps to nurse injured players back to match fitness.

    The reason this could be a valuable addition to regular training is not only that the concept includes a range of pedagogically valuable ideas, but also the logistics. This practice can be done by a single player paying full attention. It doesn't require 20 players to stand around and do little other than pick up the ball. So everyone else could be doing other things rather than help one player practice. And players could go into this machine 24/7 rather than be restricted by the availability of other players.

    And even if the passes he receives do not completely match those he would receive in a real match, the sheer volume is also significant. In a regular 11 v. 11 match, most players don't have much more than 40-50 ball contacts. The footbonaut gives you that in a single session that will not last more than a handful of minutes.

    Is this the same as match practice? No, but think of this more like what a practicing musician would do: A practicing musician doesn't play a full piece of music all that often during his practice. He breaks it down into manageable sequences that can be practiced again and again to achieve mastery or perfection and later put together to create a greater whole.
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    as a compliment to other training this seems like a very good idea.

    Certainly cant hurt.
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    Football - not?
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