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    Quote Originally Posted by carraforcaptain View Post
    What angel said. Anyway, are you absolutely sure that there are no would be MP's running in your area that are worth a vote? In my case, I wouldn't vote for any of the major parties, but Norman Baker (lib dem) is my MP and he's a very good, outspoken MP (who has ******** his own career more than once by going against the party line). Might be that you have a good MP even though the parties are ****. Maybe you even have a viable independent running. Anyway, it all starts with a few people voting for something new. Then support for new things can build over the years. If people just give up and don't vote, then there isn't any prospect of change in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    It is precisely because I don't watch soaps and do follow 'current affairs' closely that I choose not to vote.
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    Achieve's **** all and thus has no more use than not voting.

    But I'd do it anyway so that I feel like I'm doing something.
    right there is the difference between a cynic and a young cynic.

    the difference is that democracy has a chance to breath. For all your your anti capitalistic warbling rhoscoch thats the fear that the capitalists have. Democracy is the only voice a small man/woman has. For you not to exercise it plays into their hands. Shame on you for not expressing the will of a people.
    its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll
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    Make sure you are registered to vote!







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    Quote Originally Posted by prredhouse View Post
    right there is the difference between a cynic and a young cynic.

    the difference is that democracy has a chance to breath. For all your your anti capitalistic warbling rhoscoch thats the fear that the capitalists have. Democracy is the only voice a small man/woman has. For you not to exercise it plays into their hands. Shame on you for not expressing the will of a people.
    I'm a capitalist.
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    Could not agree more Socratease
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    Excellent program by Presented by Martin sheen on bbc2 about the Chartists now.

    Will try to link it on iplayer.
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    Oh 38 degrees got a mention.
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    Would this be a useful site for those who want to check up on what their MP has been up to?

    www.TheyWorkForYou.com

    You are able to check to see things like their voting record, if they have received answers to their questions to ministers, the "readability" of their speeches according to the Fleish Kincaid index.

    Although for those who cannot/usually don't due to the positions they hold will have qualifiers as follows.

    "Government Ministers are not able to submit questions to their ministerial colleagues or the Speaker and Deputy Speakers will only vote if their is a tie between the Ayes and Nays.

    It also includes which Select Committees they have had memberships. However, I wonder if the sittings missed includes times when the committee met but the MP was not a committee member at the time of those meetings.
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    Good post paul143.




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    Here is that documentary on the chartist movement.

    Very apt to this discussion.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...leys-rebellion
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Here is that documentary on the chartist movement.

    Very apt to this discussion.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...leys-rebellion
    Superb post rhosoch, I studied the Chartists in Social Economics some many years ago and the right to vote for all has been a very long journey of suffering as well as triumphs along the way that many are not aware of due to it's lack of inclusion in most curriculums in education.

    The Last Leg; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh6ZAymsJNo

    To my mind the worst thing about democracy is that too many people take it for granted and by their inactivity they allow those who are politically active due to active interest to achieve a foothold due to a major demographic complacency. :FP:

    People have suffered and died over the years to enable you and I to vote when we had no option, never mind the choice before, to be able to actually vote!

    Let us get off our back sides on election day and walk down the road on election day and make our mark, our singular contribution given by many to allow us to give our opinion has been a hard fought for right - and this is recognised around the world that the mother of parliaments is based upon democracy (demos # people ~ cratia # power {Gk}) - the will of the people.

    If you do not speak, you will not be heard.


    Someone once wrote a song called, 'Power To The People', I think someone once named an airport after him.


    Make your mark and make a difference - vote if you are concerned about the politics of your future.

    If you do not make your mark you disenfranchise yourself by not voting whilst others grin at your complacency.

    All the more for those that disagree with you and your vision of society.

    Your mark does make a difference, your vote makes a difference as it cumulatively adds up to the democratic will/power of the people - you must/please vote!







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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratease View Post
    I received this today,



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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratease View Post
    Make sure you are registered to vote!







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    Genuine question: What does it mean to "register" to vote? We have no such thing in my country so I have no understanding of this concept.
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    For those who are considering not voting the following methods can be used to declare your vote spoilt as well as writing they are all useless wastrels or a bunch of no-hopers. Now I appreciate for some "Voter's intention is unclear" and the method of spoilage is counter-intuitive e.g. a cross against none of the above is clear.

    1. Crosses against multiple candidates (Voter's intention is unclear)
    2. Cross that goes from each corner of the sheet of paper (Voter's intention is unclear)
    3. Cross that is split equally (more or less) between two candidates (Voter's intention is unclear)
    4. Creating a none of the above box and putting a cross in there (Voter's intention is unclear)
    5. Signing it (Voter can be identified)
    6. Name and address (Voter can be identified)

    Source http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...papers-WEB.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by grevsmoker View Post
    Genuine question: What does it mean to "register" to vote? We have no such thing in my country so I have no understanding of this concept.
    Grev, this is where people notifies local councils that they should be considered as eligible to vote in elections in the UK.

    The following would be considered legal.

    Anyone over 18 on polling day.
    A British Citizen, a Qualifying Commonwealth citizen (inc Crown dependencies and overseas territories) or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.
    There is no legal reason why you cannot vote.

    Those who cannot vote (some are exceptions to the above rules)
    Members of the House of Lords (General Election Only)
    EU Nationals (General Election only)
    Anyone who are citizens of any other nation outside those mentioned above.
    Convicted prisoners in pursuant (during) their sentences this does exclude those people in prison on remand or due non-payment of fines/maintenance etc.
    Anyone who has been convicted of election fraud.

    Students are allowed to vote in either constituency but not both for every election bar the local elections when both votes would be considered voting in two different local governments.

    EU nationals can vote in the UK European Election as well as their own nation they should only vote in one. However, although it is illegal, it is difficult to prove that someone has committed electoral fraud as there is no cross border checking.
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    Good link!
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    If you do not speak, you will not be heard.


    Someone once wrote a song called, 'Power To The People', I think someone once named an airport after him.


    Make your mark and make a difference - vote if you are concerned about the politics of your future.

    If you do not make your mark you disenfranchise yourself by not voting whilst others grin at your complacency.

    All the more for those that disagree with you and your vision of society.

    Your mark does make a difference, your vote makes a difference as it cumulatively adds up to the democratic will/power of the people - you must/please vote!

    John Lennon in New York, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvlBS4PMF0




    Power to the people!




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    The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. Socrates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratease View Post
    John Lennon in New York, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvlBS4PMF0




    Power to the people!




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    Maybe not the best person to look to when trying to get people to vote...

    “I have never voted for anybody, anytime, ever,” he said. “Even at my most so-called political. I have never registered and I never will. It’s going to make a lot of people upset, but that’s too bad.”
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    Is Murdoch more powerful than your vote?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuS8c6zEx1Y
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    Whilst I accept that many are not considering to vote. For those who have yet to register only have one week left.

    It can take up to 5 minutes online.

    https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
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    I have voted in every general and local election since I turned 18,It is your democratic right to vote.Generations have fought for this right,if you feel that it's not worth the effort then you don't have a voice.! What really annoys me is that the first people to complain about politicians are those apathetic "cant be bothered" people who don't vote.
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    Even though I have my apprehension about Labour's policies on economics... like continuing with Austerity ... I think prolonging a conservative government will be the biggest mistake the country would make. As said, the imposing of tax for the very richest in society.... which would exclude at least 99% of these forums and the country in general.... would resolve the issues in which 99% of the population have suffered with loss of wealth under the present Tory led coalition. So. Vote Labour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Is Murdoch more powerful than your vote?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuS8c6zEx1Y
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Even though I have my apprehension about Labour's policies on economics... like continuing with Austerity ... I think prolonging a conservative government will be the biggest mistake the country would make. As said, the imposing of tax for the very richest in society.... which would exclude at least 99% of these forums and the country in general.... would resolve the issues in which 99% of the population have suffered with loss of wealth under the present Tory led coalition. So. Vote Labour.
    But only in a constituency where it counts. If i vote Lab in Horsham, West sussex its a waste so I might as well spoil my ballot paper. They weigh the Tory vote in horsham btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratease View Post
    John Lennon in New York, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvlBS4PMF0




    Power to the people!




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    Then he ran off and supported the IRA. Peace, my ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by hysen View Post
    Then he ran off and supported the IRA. Peace, my ass
    John Lennon and the IRA? Prove it please. First time I have heard of this. By the way, MI5 "evidence"? The secret service is also known for disinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    John Lennon and the IRA? Prove it please. First time I have heard of this. By the way, MI5 "evidence"? The secret service is also known for disinformation.
    I read an article a while back that he was actually pretty clueless about what was happening (didn't know difference between protestant and catholic) but just wanted to boost his working class hero image. His biographer (forget his name) said it was most probably true. Plenty of news outlets have carried the story over the years, just google it. I am sure you will approve of one of the sources.
    I admired Lennon until I heard all this, but I find his support of them unforgivable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    John Lennon and the IRA? Prove it please. First time I have heard of this. By the way, MI5 "evidence"? The secret service is also known for disinformation.
    Hold on. Even if he did support the IRA...why would this indicate that he was opposed to peace?

    Perhaps he viewed the IRA as the freedom fighters of an oppressed people? Perhaps he thought that if those same people were no longer oppressed, they would have no need of the fighters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hysen View Post
    I read an article a while back that he was actually pretty clueless about what was happening (didn't know difference between protestant and catholic) but just wanted to boost his working class hero image. His biographer (forget his name) said it was most probably true. Plenty of news outlets have carried the story over the years, just google it. I am sure you will approve of one of the sources.
    I admired Lennon until I heard all this, but I find his support of them unforgivable.
    Many things have been "said". But not really proven. Still, I agree with rhoscoch that even if he did "support" the IRA verbally, it doesn't mean that he really did support them financially.... where there is (quick google) only circumstantial evidence.

    And as to Lennon not knowing the difference between IRA and the UVA (UVF).... I very much doubt he was that ignorant.
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