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    Quote Originally Posted by cantstandya View Post
    Best signing Klopp has made by a million miles.
    Taking into account the (non-existent) transfer fee then I'd agree. However purely on contribution and quality I'd say Mane has got to be up there with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Taking into account the (non-existant) transfer fee then I'd agree. However purely on contribution and quality I'd say Mane has got to be up there with him.
    Matip hasn't been available enough to be considered the best signing for me. Mane, thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Matip hasn't been available enough to be considered the best signing for me. Mane, thus far.
    But he's the next Franz Beckenbauer.

    People don't half go overboard with our players, one way or the other. They're either brilliant or ****. Matip has been good, especially for a freebie, but he hasn't played enough and has had a few shaky games to be considered a great yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Matip hasn't been available enough to be considered the best signing for me. Mane, thus far.
    Seconded. It's Mane for me too.

    Matip is a genius signing from Klopp though considering he was free. I would like to see more signings like that, those pre contracts on good players. If we were to judge a manager by his signings, Matip is a very good one and they way it was done. He wanted to join Klopp when he was at Schalke and did so when his contract ran out.

    He could have cost a fair whack, but also he did come here with injury niggles I was reading last summer. But he is young and can overcome that, I hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    But he's the next Franz Beckenbauer.

    People don't half go overboard with our players, one way or the other. They're either brilliant or ****. Matip has been good, especially for a freebie, but he hasn't played enough and has had a few shaky games to be considered a great yet.
    I think if we'd paid 25m for him (like Lovren for example) he'd be less lauded, but the fact he was free is pretty incredible. Plus our defenders have been pretty poor in recent times so he stands out a bit more. But overboard reactions is the name of the game these days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Seconded. It's Mane for me too.

    Matip is a genius signing from Klopp though considering he was free. I would like to see more signings like that, those pre contracts on good players. If we were to judge a manager by his signings, Matip is a very good one and they way it was done. He wanted to join Klopp when he was at Schalke and did so when his contract ran out.

    He could have cost a fair whack, but also he did come here with injury niggles I was reading last summer. But he is young and can overcome that, I hope.
    Really? I'd not heard that, what niggles?

    He played every minute in the league last season, missed about half the previous season with a broken foot, but averaged more than 90% in the previous 3. Nothing obvious to be concerned about or overcome I wouldn't have thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Really? I'd not heard that, what niggles?

    He played every minute in the league last season, missed about half the previous season with a broken foot, but averaged more than 90% in the previous 3. Nothing obvious to be concerned about or overcome I wouldn't have thought.
    Hey Stuz. I remember reading it, maybe that poster didn't know what they were going on about, nor did I believe it, I just remember reading it. Think it was around the time he was out pre season with injury.

    But thanks for clearing that up. Maybe this season has just been an off one for him concerning injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Hey Stuz. I remember reading it, maybe that poster didn't know what they were going on about, nor did I believe it, I just remember reading it. Think it was around the time he was out pre season with injury.

    But thanks for clearing that up. Maybe this season has just been an off one for him concerning injuries.
    Let's hope so. He's still only had one injury hasn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Let's hope so. He's still only had one injury hasn't he?
    He had one pre season too. Didn't feature till Spurs. Think that is when I read about that poster saying he has niggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    He had one pre season too. Didn't feature till Spurs. Think that is when I read about that poster saying he has niggles.
    Oh yeah, of course, forgot that one.
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    I wonder if he regrets not going with Cameroon now? He's had a bit of a lame time with LFC - the good people of Cameroon have cursed us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    I wonder if he regrets not going with Cameroon now? He's had a bit of a lame time with LFC - the good people of Cameroon have cursed us.
    There was a reason he didnt want to go, it wasnt about not winning the AFCON. It was about him not getting along with manager or something wasnt it? I cant remember now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Matip hasn't been available enough to be considered the best signing for me. Mane, thus far.
    It is no sleight on Matip that Mane, big fee or not, has been the best so far
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by IFC View Post
    There was a reason he didnt want to go, it wasnt about not winning the AFCON. It was about him not getting along with manager or something wasnt it? I cant remember now...
    Nothing to do with being injured no?
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    Has been very poor since coming back, made too many mistakes. If Matip doesn't return to form what chance do we have.
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    you're right I don't fancy klavan defending against spurs
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    It is no sleight on Matip that Mane, big fee or not, has been the best so far
    Both have been really good signings because you can see the clear difference they have made to the team in the areas they play in, we just need to start signing more players of their quality or better.
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    been pretty prone to mistakes lately. maybe because he's been with lucas,klavan or lovren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    been pretty prone to mistakes lately. maybe because he's been with lucas,klavan or lovren.
    It does seem like he's a lone man back there at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    It does seem like he's a lone man back there at times.
    He's played 2 games plus 1 minute since the middle of December.

    He is still rusty and has come into a team low on confidence and has had a different CB partner every time.

    Obviously worth a kick by ST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    He's played 2 games plus 1 minute since the middle of December.

    He is still rusty and has come into a team low on confidence and has had a different CB partner every time.

    Obviously worth a kick by ST.
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    Imagine Skrtel and Lucas as CB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    been pretty prone to mistakes lately. maybe because he's been with lucas,klavan or lovren.
    You can only hold up a **** defence on your own for so long.

    He's the only 1 in the team i'd actually call a defender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    He's played 2 games plus 1 minute since the middle of December.

    He is still rusty and has come into a team low on confidence and has had a different CB partner every time.

    Obviously worth a kick by ST.
    Apply the Sakho principle that he needs to go out on loan to gain match fitness
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    we should re-sign Škrtel to partner matip, jokes
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    great performance from matip, dealt well with de bruyne, sane, augero on that side. hopefully he can be more dangerous from set pieces, if we improve our set piece taker
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    Matip was boss today.
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    he's very athletic, and I do enjoy him being in the team, but I'm not sure what everyone else thinks but he's shown a few lapses in concentration/positional sense that I've noticed where he's a few yards away from his player or doesn't look around sometimes until it's too late, that's not cost us as much but imo that's the little difference between being a good defender and top defender
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    another superb display, great decision making
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    Quote Originally Posted by LIVER-01 View Post
    he's very athletic, and I do enjoy him being in the team, but I'm not sure what everyone else thinks but he's shown a few lapses in concentration/positional sense that I've noticed where he's a few yards away from his player or doesn't look around sometimes until it's too late, that's not cost us as much but imo that's the little difference between being a good defender and top defender
    See your point but no defender is perfect.. the best defenders in the world make mistakes and have these lapses. The problem is the rubbish thats partnered with him and the goalkeeper. get a decent partner for him and a solid keeper and he`ll continue to improve.

    Whatever anyone says theres not much more you could ask for in a defender, comfortable on the ball, fast, strong, good passer and good in the air, strong tackler.. its the poor quality around him...even a prime Hyppia would struggle to patch up the goals scored against total for us...people forget the great finn had a solid defensive master hamman infront of him , a quality henchoz alongside him then a solid carra alongside him and a good goalkeeper in dudek behind him at the time.

    The defensive unit was excellent, we are the opposite now. No one defender can rectify this. The entire defensive unit has to be changed or the style of play change.

    At present the problem is our team configuration is not set up to let a defender look good. its so top heavy attacking wise. The defensive side is all wrong. Matips done so well given this issue.

    if you play all out attack like we do and on top of that remove a defensive midfielder from your team you will always concede 50 plus goals in this league..thats just how it is.

    Spurs have Dembele and Big Wanyama that can play that position infront of the back 4 solidly..who we got ? ..Pensioner Lucas and his wheelchair..

    Dont anyone dare say hendo,can,or gini..
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