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    Quote Originally Posted by Home_and_Away View Post
    I see Klopp looking to build around a 4-2-3-1 formation with tactical flexibility to go to 4-3-3 when required or, possibly, 4-1-3-2.

    With the 4-2-3-1 formation, I expect Klopp to go for a pair of solid box-to-box CMs and I think Can and Grujic are his long term plan.

    The 4-3-3 and the 4-1-3-2 formations will require a specialist DM which we do not have at the moment, but Lucas fills that position when necessary. Stewart is no longer a spring chicken so maybe an alternative only for a short while unless he really comes on in the next 12 months. Chrivella???
    Hendo is one of the top English players right now , no way we will sell . Personally i think like it or not he is in the long term plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziz123 View Post
    look at you... sat here, lingering in mid-table, can't even compete with Spurs over transfer targets (will soon add Everton to that list) and haven't won a title in more than 25 years ... all the while pipe dreaming that the Henderson, Downing and Lucas etc... of the world will "someday" get you there.

    joke's on you son
    you live in a fantasy world where we can just bin every player and buy an upgrade for them... delusional
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    Hendo is one of the top English players right now , no way we will sell . Personally i think like it or not he is in the long term plans.
    I didn't say he would be sold, did I?

    For each position, the squad needs at least 1 backup. So, if Can and Grujic do become the long-term first choice (and that's far from a certainty), there is still room for Henderson et al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home_and_Away View Post
    I didn't say he would be sold, did I?

    For each position, the squad needs at least 1 backup. So, if Can and Grujic do become the long-term first choice (and that's far from a certainty), there is still room for Henderson et al.
    19 years old and not played a game for us yet , no pressure on the lad ey. People go mad with new signings , lets see how he progresses over the next 3, 4, 5 years perhaps. Hendo will be a big player for us over the next 5 years or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    We shouldn't sell either , why would we need to ? not like wed be getting 50 mill for either of them to re invest. They should stay both are important for us. Our fans seem to want 24 , 40+ million pound players in the squad it ain't going to happen.
    You'd get over 15 million for Hendo, which wouldn't be bad if the likes of Nevez are going for around the 40 million mark. It would be good business. Let the likes of Grujic actually be a squad player. I think there is a good chance Hendo is going to go to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theamerican00 View Post
    You'd get over 15 million for Hendo, which wouldn't be bad if the likes of Nevez are going for around the 40 million mark. It would be good business. Let the likes of Grujic actually be a squad player. I think there is a good chance Hendo is going to go to be honest.
    We need our home grown quoter , Hendo is one of the best English players right now . I don't think there is any chance he will be sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    19 years old and not played a game for us yet , no pressure on the lad ey. People go mad with new signings , lets see how he progresses over the next 3, 4, 5 years perhaps. Hendo will be a big player for us over the next 5 years or so.
    I also wrote "long term future" and "that's far from a certainty". Hardly going mad with new signings, is it?

    Can has only just turned 22 himself and looks to be a one of Klopp's first names onto the team sheet.

    Please read what's written rather than making it up as you go along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home_and_Away View Post
    I also wrote "long term future" and "that's far from a certainty". Hardly going mad with new signings, is it?

    Can has only just turned 22 himself and looks to be a one of Klopp's first names onto the team sheet.

    Please read what's written rather than making it up as you go along.
    Hes one of the first names until the summer , i wouldn't expect him to be next season . I would expect Hendo to be though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    Hes one of the first names until the summer , i wouldn't expect him to be next season .
    Who are you thinking of with this: Can, Grujic, Henderson or ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    I would expect Hendo to be though.
    You think Klopp puts Henderson before Can. Maybe. Maybe not. All depends what he sees in summer pre-season I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    We need our home grown quoter , Hendo is one of the best English players right now . I don't think there is any chance he will be sold.
    I think we'd still be covered well for the home grown quota. I don't think being one of the best English players means much really. Real are apparently willing to listen to offers for Isco and James to fund a Hazard bid, thats really the best way to do business in my opinion.
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    Emre is technically, physically and mentally miles ahead. Tactically he's not the best but then he's only young and will develop that side of his game.

    Henderson is our worst midfielder without any doubt. The amount of times if he can't pass backwards or sideways he will just hopelessly boot the ball forward really winds me up! Can't shoot, can't pass, no composure and worst of all bottles so many 50/50s for a captain. I honestly rate Allen higher as he works as hard and is much more efficient on and off the ball.
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    Jordan's out of form and carrying a injury... According to some he's now our worst midfielder and needs sold asap. You even had someone slating him for not taking a penalty in the final but taking the free kick on Wednesday. This place is comical at times. Make no mistake he's our best midfielder and captain and won't be going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezziwig View Post
    Jordan's out of form and carrying a injury... According to some he's now our worst midfielder and needs sold asap. You even had someone slating him for not taking a penalty in the final but taking the free kick on Wednesday. This place is comical at times. Make no mistake he's our best midfielder and captain and won't be going anywhere.
    And that's why we are a mid table team at the moment he wouldn't get into any of the top 6s midfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LW94 View Post
    you live in a fantasy world where we can just bin every player and buy an upgrade for them... delusional
    never thought i would see the day where upgrading the likes of Hendo is considered to be a "fantasy".

    because the ONLY CMs that are better than Hendo are already playing for the likes Barcelona and RM... with a "little bit of improvement", they will come calling for him as well... it is the next step up for him surely!

    are you for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan92 View Post
    And that's why we are a mid table team at the moment he wouldn't get into any of the top 6s midfield.
    Why? Because you rate Jordan as our worst midfielder and think he wouldn't get into any of the top 6 teams midfield? Hahahaha Jordan's now getting the blame for us being a mid table team.
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    Apart from his running off the ball, what else has he got going for him? He seems inept at turning with the ball, cant keep the ball under pressure even if his life has bearing on him to be able to do so, he cnt carry the ball foward n he tends to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it. All these lackings limit him to be able to play CM position...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezziwig View Post
    Why? Because you rate Jordan as our worst midfielder and think he wouldn't get into any of the top 6 teams midfield? Hahahaha Jordan's now getting the blame for us being a mid table team.
    I would love to know which team he would get in and who for and what he does that makes him better than all our other midfielder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezziwig View Post
    Why? Because you rate Jordan as our worst midfielder and think he wouldn't get into any of the top 6 teams midfield? Hahahaha Jordan's now getting the blame for us being a mid table team.
    lets assume that he is our BEST midfielder... wtf does that supposed to mean?

    it is like winning the special olympics..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan92 View Post
    I would love to know which team he would get in and who for and what he does that makes him better than all our other midfielder?
    What's the point? You've clearly got a grudge against Jordan, that much is clear from the nonsense you've posted. Keep blaming him for LFC being a mid table team, champ.
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    If I'm brutally honest I don't think either are good enough for a club like Liverpool, Both have there strengths but both have weakness also.

    I'd pick Emre Can over Henderson every time though, Never been impressed with Henderson in the years he's been with us and staggered he was made captain.

    Emre Can has improved I believe since Klopp arrived, Maybe the German connection helped I don't know.

    I'd keep Emre Can for next season based on his improvement and age, Henderson should go to a mid table side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziz123 View Post
    lets assume that he is our BEST midfielder... wtf does that supposed to mean?

    it is like winning the special olympics..
    Its self explanatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theamerican00 View Post
    You'd get over 15 million for Hendo, which wouldn't be bad if the likes of Nevez are going for around the 40 million mark. It would be good business. Let the likes of Grujic actually be a squad player. I think there is a good chance Hendo is going to go to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezziwig View Post
    Its self explanatory.
    what is "self explanatory"... We need someone to be a driving force for our midfield more than ANYTHING ELSE... Hendo is NOT THAT!

    Can has time on his side and we can loan him out and see how he develops or even keep him... Lucas would fetch us F all in transfer fees ... same goes for Hendo MKII A.K.A Milner... who else do you suggest we move on then?

    cash in on him now.. we can worry about having "Squad players" like him once we even remotely resemble having a decent starting 11... especially in midfield.
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    Henderson is not having the best year. Some say it's because he's nursing and injury. Others say he's just out of form. Some say both.

    The question is, will he come back or have we already seen his best?

    Alonso had one poor season so Benitez started to shop around. Yet he's had another 8 or 9 years at the very top. Big loss to LFC.

    On the otherhand, we managed to offload Torres for 50 million when he was shot of his best! Should we have refused the 50 million on the hope he could get back to his best?
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    Can has a good future ahead of him, realistically if we want to be back in the top 4 Henderson & Can are back up next season.

    We need 2 top class central midfielders in the summer, the midfield has been a problem since we lost Mascherano and Alonso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home_and_Away View Post
    Henderson is not having the best year. Some say it's because he's nursing and injury. Others say he's just out of form. Some say both.

    The question is, will he come back or have we already seen his best?

    Alonso had one poor season so Benitez started to shop around. Yet he's had another 8 or 9 years at the very top. Big loss to LFC.

    On the otherhand, we managed to offload Torres for 50 million when he was shot of his best! Should we have refused the 50 million on the hope he could get back to his best?
    To be honest has henderson ever had a good season to begin with ? He wasnt bad when we should have won the league but I think suarez made everyone look good basing on performances since he left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    Hendo is one of the top English players right now , no way we will sell . Personally i think like it or not he is in the long term plans.
    He's English, so perhaps he will not be shipped out, but him being one of the better English midfielders (not English players in general) says more about England's poor central midfield than it does about Henderson. Alli can play there though, and regardless of his lack of experience in the top flight, he's clearly the superior player.

    As for the question, it would have to be Can. I haven't rated Henderson from the beginning, but I'll give him credit for a good campaign in the 13/14 season. He also had some decent stats last season, but that masked over his sub standard performances.

    Henderson can do ok in a team full of talent, where he doesn't have to fulfil (to a high standard) the broad spectrum of a central midfielders tasks. Look at who was surrounding him in 2013/14; he had Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling (in the form of his life), Coutinho, and Gerrard. He was able to play his high energy game and when he had the ball he simply needed to lay it off to one of the aforementioned.

    I know Henderson is a favourite for some, but I find it difficult to believe that you'd see any worth had he been playing for another team. He seems to lack control and composure, especially when under just a little bit of pressure. His passing is ok, but again, below par when under a little bit of pressure, he's negative with the ball way too much, his interplay and general vision are lacking, and his movement on the ball in nearly nonexistent.

    It says a lot when it's easier to list what Henderson seems to struggle with, as appose to what Can excels in. I like Can though, although he's still a bit raw, he's coming along nicely, and against City, Can absolutely bossed that midfield with a dominant performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo1122 View Post
    He'sEnglish, so perhaps he will not be shipped out, but him being one of the better English midfielders (not English players in general) says more about England's poor central midfield than it does about Henderson. Alli can play there though, and regardless of his lack of experience in the top flight, he's clearly the superior player.

    As for the question, it would have to be Can. I haven't rated Henderson from the beginning, but I'll give him credit for a good campaign in the 13/14 season. He also had some decent stats last season, but that masked over his sub standard performances.

    Henderson can do ok in a team full of talent, where he doesn't have to fulfil (to a high standard) the broad spectrum of a central midfielders tasks. Look at who was surrounding him in 2013/14; he had Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling (in the form of his life), Coutinho, and Gerrard. He was able to play his high energy game and when he had the ball he simply needed to lay it off to one of the aforementioned.

    I know Henderson is a favourite for some, but I find it difficult to believe that'd see any worth had he been playing for another team. He seems to lack control and composure, especially when under just a little bit of pressure. His passing ok, but again, below par when under a little bit of pressure, he's negative with the ball way too much, his interplay and general vision are lacking, and his movement on the ball in nearly nonexistent.

    It says a lot when it's easier to list what Henderson seems to struggle with, as appose to what Can excels in. I like Can though, although he's still a bit raw, he's coming along nicely, and against City, Can absolutely bossed that midfield with a dominant performance.
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    both if possible. Can is better at defending and mopping up, Henderson is better slightly forward. tuff one to choose.
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    This thread makes laugh - people want to keep trash, when the main Klopp targets for the summer seem to be midfielders
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