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    I am liking what he brings to the games , I can see him growing into a top player with a steady run in the team over the next year.
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    brainless . Get rid
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    Someone else wants to come with comments like "Can is good enough in defending to be our first choice DM". He can't defend for life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    Someone else wants to come with comments like "Can is good enough in defending to be our first choice DM". He can't defend for life...
    He along with a few other players today are on my list of awful performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laura6035 View Post
    I am liking what he brings to the games , I can see him growing into a top player with a steady run in the team over the next year.
    What about today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    He along with a few other players today are on my list of awful performances today.
    But no, wait for one good performance so everyone turns into "he's class" bandwagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    But no, wait for one good performance so everyone turns into "he's class" bandwagon.
    He's been good in the last couple of games but today he was just poor along with a few other players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    He's been good in the last couple of games but today he was just poor along with a few other players.
    That's his problem....either brilliant or absolutely nowhere. FAR TOO INCONSISTENT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    That's his problem....either brilliant or absolutely nowhere. FAR TOO INCONSISTENT!
    This can be said about plenty of our players to be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    This can be said about plenty of our players to be fair.
    Well that's true but he is particularly jekyll and hyde
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    Don't think he was that bad today tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    He's been good in the last couple of games but today he was just poor along with a few other players.
    He was poor and although he has had a few decent games I think if we get an offer we should sell, perhaps the only way I would keep him is if he was prepared to take that sort of 3rd reserve spot off Lucas and thats never going to happen, he is pushing for first 11 and in my view not good enough or never will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivapewlDivas View Post
    Don't think he was that bad today tbh.
    Other than gifting them a free goal he was ok.
    "The best way not to lose is to win." - Jurgen Klopp 06/12/2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivapewlDivas View Post
    Don't think he was that bad today tbh.
    Surprised, I honestly thought he was awful, for sure Lovren grabs the headlines for shocking but Can looked lost lethargic and void of even the basics, I think Klopp has his work cut out this summer to sort this lot out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davevietnam View Post
    Surprised, I honestly thought he was awful, for sure Lovren grabs the headlines for shocking but Can looked lost lethargic and void of even the basics, I think Klopp has his work cut out this summer to sort this lot out.
    I know Can is capable of putting decent performances, but more often he's too inconsistent. The thing that puzzles me the most with Emre Can is that in three years that he's here I still haven't figured out what his forte or natural position is. While some posters might call him young and upcoming quality, some label him as "our first choice DM", I've not seen evidence of neither.

    Actually yesterday's game pretty much summed him up for me. In attack he isn't clinical enough to be a threat - he completely missed Gini's ball and shot it closer to the corner flag (!) - while in the defense he isn't disciplined enough to stick close to Benteke and prevent the 2nd goal (I think Klopp will facepalm when he sees that nobody actually blocked Emre during that corner).

    I know people (such as Coach) dislike to hear these things, but I am a firm believer in "player roles" within the midfield and this is exactly our problem. Every other team knows who destroys the opponent, who is the creative playmaker or "wattercarrier" and the midfield scorer. We had that in Masch-Alonso-Gerrard and it was balanced and worked well. I can also name you such players in other teams too, because it is evident what some player's forte is.
    We, on the other hand, don't; we believe in movement and players being adapt in both ends of the pitch - football's biggest idiocy. When will people realize that making pressure isn't same as being good at defending. Who'd be happy here to find Lallana in deep role, which we sometimes do during midfield rotations (?). That is such an unstable structure that falls apart like cards. We have just too many similar midfield players that are decent at everything, excel at nothing - Milner, Gini, Can, Henderson, perhaps even Grujic. Lallana is a converted attacker and Lucas is, unfortunately, too slow to keep up with the tempo of the modern game. Yesterday Schlupp and Benteke just strolled through our midfield ... a designated DM wouldn't allow that at all.

    To allow us going into full season with that selection of midfielders, knowing you also have unproved and unstable defence (Matip & Ragnar just joined, Lucas new to the role) with zero attacking creativity from fullbacks (no width) is just insane from club management.
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    I was surprised when on arsenal fan tv when outside wembley a fan said 3 months ago they would of drove oxlaide chamberlain for transfer now they would put barriers up for him not to go, I'm now raising an eyebrow now reading some of these posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    I know Can is capable of putting decent performances, but more often he's too inconsistent. The thing that puzzles me the most with Emre Can is that in three years that he's here I still haven't figured out what his forte or natural position is. While some posters might call him young and upcoming quality, some label him as "our first choice DM", I've not seen evidence of neither.

    Actually yesterday's game pretty much summed him up for me. In attack he isn't clinical enough to be a threat - he completely missed Gini's ball and shot it closer to the corner flag (!) - while in the defense he isn't disciplined enough to stick close to Benteke and prevent the 2nd goal (I think Klopp will facepalm when he sees that nobody actually blocked Emre during that corner).

    I know people (such as Coach) dislike to hear these things, but I am a firm believer in "player roles" within the midfield and this is exactly our problem. Every other team knows who destroys the opponent, who is the creative playmaker or "wattercarrier" and the midfield scorer. We had that in Masch-Alonso-Gerrard and it was balanced and worked well. I can also name you such players in other teams too, because it is evident what some player's forte is.
    We, on the other hand, don't; we believe in movement and players being adapt in both ends of the pitch - football's biggest idiocy. When will people realize that making pressure isn't same as being good at defending. Who'd be happy here to find Lallana in deep role, which we sometimes do during midfield rotations (?). That is such an unstable structure that falls apart like cards. We have just too many similar midfield players that are decent at everything, excel at nothing - Milner, Gini, Can, Henderson, perhaps even Grujic. Lallana is a converted attacker and Lucas is, unfortunately, too slow to keep up with the tempo of the modern game. Yesterday Schlupp and Benteke just strolled through our midfield ... a designated DM wouldn't allow that at all.

    To allow us going into full season with that selection of midfielders, knowing you also have unproved and unstable defence (Matip & Ragnar just joined, Lucas new to the role) with zero attacking creativity from fullbacks (no width) is just insane from club management.
    Apart from Lucas, you could make that argument for most of our midfield tbh. Wij has always been an attacking midfielder (and fairly consistent goalscorer) throughout his career, but this season he's been playing more of a deeper traditional CM role, Henderson came here as a CM/RW, yet now he kind of plays as a DM/DLP hybrid. Gerrard also played many positions throughout his career, what would you have defined him as? Yaya was a DM at Barca, yet later on at City he was converted into a kind of free roaming AM, to great effect I might add. I could see Can as either as DM/DLP or a box to box midfielder, I think who else we sign and who else we decide to play in midfield alongside him will dictate that.
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    good performance, my goodness did he pick up a lot of loose balls. 7.5 because he scored a goal
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    Why can't he score goals like that every game? Inconsistent.

    Been our best player these last couple of months, for me. Genuinely gives 100% every single game.
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    the last few games he has raised his game and became indispensable. It is certain that the more plays the better he becomes. too bad we only have 3 games left. and inter milan..............keep smoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    But no, wait for one good performance so everyone turns into "he's class" bandwagon.
    this. we are reading this all year. no one except maybe mane8(even he was lost in few matches) didnt have all season good performances,but all together they worth something
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    He's done his job since replacing Henderson who we haven't missed at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    He's done his job since replacing Henderson who we haven't missed at all.
    Lucas has replaced Henderson more than Can has, to be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    Lucas has replaced Henderson more than Can has, to be fair.
    In terms of position he has at the moment, but as soon as Lallana is back properly Lucas will be dropped and Can will fill that role again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    He's done his job since replacing Henderson who we haven't missed at all.
    henderson will be relieved by that
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    Scored a brilliant goal yesterday. I still have reservations on his defensive qualities to consider him as our future DM, but time is on his side. He can still develop into whatever he wants. Just needs to show more consistency which is, I admit, related to more playing time and getting experience. Luckily, Klopp rates him and I am sure he'll develop him well.

    Another thing that made me happy, perhaps even more than the goal itself (hardly though), was his reaction of anger when Proudl hit the crossbar. He knew that we lost defensive concentration and almost gave up a hard fought win pretty silly - again. I felt it was important to see that attitude and understanding from our players that we cannot allow such things to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    Scored a brilliant goal yesterday. I still have reservations on his defensive qualities to consider him as our future DM, but time is on his side. He can still develop into whatever he wants. Just needs to show more consistency which is, I admit, related to more playing time and getting experience. Luckily, Klopp rates him and I am sure he'll develop him well.

    Another thing that made me happy, perhaps even more than the goal itself (hardly though), was his reaction of anger when Proudl hit the crossbar. He knew that we lost defensive concentration and almost gave up a hard fought win pretty silly - again. I felt it was important to see that attitude and understanding from our players that we cannot allow such things to happen.
    See him more as a proper CM player, myself, one who defends and attacks. I think he could do a job at DM, but he enjoys going forward and can shoot and pick a pass. I wouldn't want to stifle that.

    Can has seemed like one of the most vocal players in our team since he came here. He's always one of the first to celebrate goals then get into them to focus again. Not afraid of giving off to other players about what they're doing wrong either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    See him more as a proper CM player, myself, one who defends and attacks. I think he could do a job at DM, but he enjoys going forward and can shoot and pick a pass. I wouldn't want to stifle that.
    I share your opinion.
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    For me, 3 players have stepped up at various times in 2017 to drag us up from that terrible midseason slump:

    Wijnaldum started it off, Firmino picked up the baton and Can has run the anchor leg.

    Other players are contributing in fits and starts, but those 3 in particular are basically trying to drag us into the Top 4.

    (Lallana hasn't scored or assisted in 2017, Coutinho has been in and out through injury, don't even know where Henderson is, Mane was at AFCON and is out now, Origi is trying bless him, Lucas is doing OK for his level, whole defence is generally not good enough save for maybe Matip).

    If anyone complains about Can's contract ever again, they need to delete their account, honestly. The guy is proving a point right now. Tbh I'd be more than comfortable if Emre was made captain next season because he's an actual leader.
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    He's pulled his finger out and is in good form since coming back into the team. Amazing goal last night. Hopefully we get that contract stand off sorted soon.
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