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    Admin, feel free to merge if there is similar thread. I cant help but feel underwhelmed by how mediocre our midfield is, how last two managers have ignored the need to adress our midfield is as cringe worthy as it gets. I hope JK will bring in quality midfielder to play alongside emre or hendo. Say we bring in someone like xhaka who can controll tempo of our play with his passing and composure on the ball, who between Can and hendo should be partnered with him?

    I know it will be extremely audacious move for klopp to strip captaincy off hendo, I can see him captaining a side comes next season so my question is ,Can henderson up his game and be a good fit if played alongside a controlling midfielder in a 2 of 4231 formation? His timidness on the ball does my brain in, I havent seen a regular liverpool midfielder less composed than Henderson for the past two decades and this is what hinders him becoming top player. So I have big skepticism at a thought of Henderson playing in midfield 2.

    Emre has shown flashes of brilliance and at times some brainfart moments, I think he will develope to be top drawer as he has all the tools in his locker. Can he be our bender or mascherano in 4231 formation playing alongside a more controlling midfielder? In my opinion I think he has it in him to be just that if not much better. He is a lot more rounded than both mascho and bender, his passing will get better so will his decision making. Penny for ** thoughts
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    A midfield with Can Henderson Firmino Coutinho in it isn't that underwhelming , Needs a right sided attacking midfielder to finish it off. Possibly Hendo or Can likely Can needs replacing with another DM , can will be a great squad player while he progresses.
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    Neither should be starting for us surely.. and only Can has the "potential" to be a "squad" player even.

    In most lenient of scenarios a top team would sell Hendo and loan Can to develop elsewhere.
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    Can is miles better and should be starting in midfield next season whilst Henderson is at a new club.
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    Henderson is having a bit of an underwhelming season imo. He seems to never have kicked on since his great season a couple of years back.

    Can blows hot and cold a bit too often but you can see he is quality. He's also fairly young and it's his first season playing MF in this team so I'd imagine he will only get better.

    Right now I'd go with Can.
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    Neither - hopefully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziz123 View Post
    Neither should be starting for us surely.. and only Can has the "potential" to be a "squad" player even.

    In most lenient of scenarios a top team would sell Hendo and loan Can to develop elsewhere.
    you're a joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Seamus- View Post
    Henderson is having a bit of an underwhelming season imo. He seems to never have kicked on since his great season a couple of years back.

    Can blows hot and cold a bit too often but you can see he is quality. He's also fairly young and it's his first season playing MF in this team so I'd imagine he will only get better.

    Right now I'd go with Can.
    This more or less sums up my thoughts on the topic, Henderson should realistically be hitting his peak around now, but he just doesn't seem capable to. On the other hand Can has good and bad games but as he is still so young the consistency should come in the future.
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    I like them both, they both work hard and press, I think Can has a bit more coming forward, I expected Henderson to improve his attacking game as time went on but that has not happened so far and I am beginning to doubt it even will now.

    I just dont think there is room for so many of these type of players in the team, we have too many work horses that dont have enough invention or creativity coming forward.
    Ideally for me we would only play one of Can, Henderson, Allen, Lucas and milner, maybe two if we are going more defensive, we need hard workers but we also need them to be able to assist and score a whole lot more.

    I think Milner is a sure starter so that leaves just one of them for the starting line up.


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    you're a joke

    Hes just one of these Sky Sports chaps whos solution would be to buy eleven world class stars, he lives in a dream world and probably does not get let out much.
    Either that or he just comes here to stir ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziz123 View Post
    Neither should be starting for us surely.. and only Can has the "potential" to be a "squad" player even.

    In most lenient of scenarios a top team would sell Hendo and loan Can to develop elsewhere.
    Laughable post.

    Ridiculous how under rated Can is. His quality is clear to see and while he lacks consistency, the entire does as well. Can is only 22 and will get much better.
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    the problem in central midfield we haven't got balance Henderson Can and the new guy are the typical hard-working box to box midfielders, we need desperately for a goal scoring creative central midfielder and a destroyer with pace
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDilkington View Post
    I like them both, they both work hard and press, I think Can has a bit more coming forward, I expected Henderson to improve his attacking game as time went on but that has not happened so far and I am beginning to doubt it even will now.

    I just dont think there is room for so many of these type of players in the team, we have too many work horses that dont have enough invention or creativity coming forward.
    Ideally for me we would only play one of Can, Henderson, Allen, Lucas and milner, maybe two if we are going more defensive, we need hard workers but we also need them to be able to assist and score a whole lot more.

    I think Milner is a sure starter so that leaves just one of them for the starting line up.





    Hes just one of these Sky Sports chaps whos solution would be to buy eleven world class stars, he lives in a dream world and probably does not get let out much.
    I agree with most of your post, but I dont really mind having 2 workhorse like cms if we have a quality front 4.

    A 4 of sturrdige/countinho/firmono and another quality winger in front of a cm duo of can and hendo could work. They could give the attacking players a lot of freedom and less need to track back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfield-assassin View Post
    I agree with most of your post, but I dont really mind having 2 workhorse like cms if we have a quality front 4.

    A 4 of sturrdige/countinho/firmono and another quality winger in front of a cm duo of can and hendo could work. They could give the attacking players a lot of freedom and less need to track back.
    Yea I guess so, if we have four others that are a threat then two workhorses would do, it depends on the opposition I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LW94 View Post
    you're a joke
    A lot of teams would love to have those two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LW94 View Post
    you're a joke
    look at you... sat here, lingering in mid-table, can't even compete with Spurs over transfer targets (will soon add Everton to that list) and haven't won a title in more than 25 years ... all the while pipe dreaming that the Henderson, Downing and Lucas etc... of the world will "someday" get you there.

    joke's on you son
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    Out of the two Can is the one to keep, but he still has more improving to do for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    Out of the two Can is the one to keep, but he still has more improving to do for me.
    Far more, but he's got huge potential
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    Far more, but he's got huge potential
    Agreed. I reckon he's going to be a top player.

    Henderson is too negative for a manager who wants to play a high tempo. Can on the other hand is the complete opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kopdarling View Post
    Admin, feel free to merge if there is similar thread. I cant help but feel underwhelmed by how mediocre our midfield is, how last two managers have ignored the need to adress our midfield is as cringe worthy as it gets. I hope JK will bring in quality midfielder to play alongside emre or hendo. Say we bring in someone like xhaka who can controll tempo of our play with his passing and composure on the ball, who between Can and hendo should be partnered with him?

    I know it will be extremely audacious move for klopp to strip captaincy off hendo, I can see him captaining a side comes next season so my question is ,Can henderson up his game and be a good fit if played alongside a controlling midfielder in a 2 of 4231 formation? His timidness on the ball does my brain in, I havent seen a regular liverpool midfielder less composed than Henderson for the past two decades and this is what hinders him becoming top player. So I have big skepticism at a thought of Henderson playing in midfield 2.

    Emre has shown flashes of brilliance and at times some brainfart moments, I think he will develope to be top drawer as he has all the tools in his locker. Can he be our bender or mascherano in 4231 formation playing alongside a more controlling midfielder? In my opinion I think he has it in him to be just that if not much better. He is a lot more rounded than both mascho and bender, his passing will get better so will his decision making. Penny for ** thoughts
    Worse than the great Christian Poulsen, Bruno 'The New Zidane' Cheyrou and Igor Biscan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedMosby View Post
    Worse than the great Christian Poulsen, Bruno 'The New Zidane' Cheyrou and Igor Biscan?
    Blessed they never played together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Seamus- View Post
    Agreed. I reckon he's going to be a top player.

    Henderson is too negative for a manager who wants to play a high tempo. Can on the other hand is the complete opposite.
    Hendo has moment but for the most part doesn't possess the quality to play this kind of game. I don't know what it is about him, he can be superb, he's shown it but he can also be horrible...like most of this season. The same can be said for Emre, but I think he's a better all round footballer than Jordan
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    If I was Klopp I'd sell Hendo. You'd get a decent fee and free up the captaincy as well. Can should be given a chance to up his level, which he has to do. Both would struggle to make a top team is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Seamus- View Post
    Blessed they never played together.
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    We shouldn't sell either , why would we need to ? not like wed be getting 50 mill for either of them to re invest. They should stay both are important for us. Our fans seem to want 24 , 40+ million pound players in the squad it ain't going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    Hendo has moment but for the most part doesn't possess the quality to play this kind of game. I don't know what it is about him, he can be superb, he's shown it but he can also be horrible...like most of this season. The same can be said for Emre, but I think he's a better all round footballer than Jordan
    I think a lot of it is down to inexperience (if you can apply to him) or his mindset.

    In his good season he was deployed as an attacker midfielder and he did very well in that role. I think Rodgers philosophy was 5 defending players and 5 attacking players (Henderson being one of them). I think that maybe in that system under those instructions he didn't have to think what he had to do with ball, there was one objective and that was to get the ball in attack early and get yourself into the box.

    Whereas in this system, in the position he plays, he's more of a box to box midfielder(well supposedly) and I don't think it suits him and especially with a less potent attack than the SAS playing in front of him.

    Right now it's like he's default is set in 'safety mode' every time he picks up the ball. I think he needs to start getting his head up and looking to move the ball forward otherwise he'll struggle to stay in the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    We shouldn't sell either , why would we need to ? not like wed be getting 50 mill for either of them to re invest. They should stay both are important for us. Our fans seem to want 24 , 40+ million pound players in the squad it ain't going to happen.
    Yea I agree its the crappy ones and the ones at the bottom of the pecking order than need moving on, both of these lads put in a good shift and if we were to sell, there would be some good clubs in there looking to pick them up, either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Seamus- View Post
    I think a lot of it is down to inexperience (if you can apply to him) or his mindset.

    In his good season he was deployed as an attacker midfielder and he did very well in that role. I think Rodgers philosophy was 5 defending players and 5 attacking players (Henderson being one of them). I think that maybe in that system under those instructions he didn't have to think what he had to do with ball, there was one objective and that was to get the ball in attack early and get yourself into the box.

    Whereas in this system, in the position he plays, he's more of a box to box midfielder(well supposedly) and I don't think it suits him and especially with a less potent attack than the SAS playing in front of him.

    Right now it's like he's default is set in 'safety mode' every time he picks up the ball. I think he needs to start getting his head up and looking to move the ball forward otherwise he'll struggle to stay in the team.
    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDilkington View Post
    Yea I agree its the crappy ones and the ones at the bottom of the pecking order than need moving on, both of these lads put in a good shift and if we were to sell, there would be some good clubs in there looking to pick them up, either one.
    Id rather Hendo over Jack Wilshere and the english media go nutts over Wilshere , i don't get it.
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    I see Klopp looking to build around a 4-2-3-1 formation with tactical flexibility to go to 4-3-3 when required or, possibly, 4-1-3-2.

    With the 4-2-3-1 formation, I expect Klopp to go for a pair of solid box-to-box CMs and I think Can and Grujic are his long term plan.

    The 4-3-3 and the 4-1-3-2 formations will require a specialist DM which we do not have at the moment, but Lucas fills that position when necessary. Stewart is no longer a spring chicken so maybe an alternative only for a short while unless he really comes on in the next 12 months. Chrivella???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppyright View Post
    Id rather Hendo over Jack Wilshere and the english media go nutts over Wilshere , i don't get it.
    Wilshere is an excellent player, so technically gifted. The issue is that he's always injured so it shouldn't even be a discussion when someone says that Henderson is over him.

    As for the Can or Henderson I'd go for Can. He's slowed down a bit of late and is going through a little bad patch but that's to be expected when he's been played as much as Klopp has played him in what is probably the most demanding position on the pitch. He has a very bright future for us I feel.
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