Excellent signing!! He is evolving into a great all round midfielder.
Wow, I hated him early in the season. Called him a waste of money, should have kept Joe Allen etc (still should have as cover) but over the last few months he's been one of our best players consistently, especially in the big games. Was arguably MotM again yesterday.
I can see the logic why people don't rate Wijnaldum
He play as a winger when he made it breakthrough then attacking midfielder in Dutch league
When he was at Newcastle he played as attacking midfielder and lot of fans did not rate him
Liverpool fans questioning he can't play in central midfield, never played there before and so on
Like me few a of fans on here knew that he had played central midfield before not new role for him
When he started playing for Liverpool as central midfield everyone question that is attacking midfielder and that's why should be playing all the time
Been say all season he's doing all the nitty gritty stuff which fans don't really appreciate that much unless it's a bit of skill and quality
Now he's starting to gel with the team his confidence is growing and he's influence on the team is also starting to show confidence and scoring more goals
Klopp is working his magic on him.
Like the debate/discussion I saw elsewhere about Mane and referenced Suarez and was whether he'd improved here. We bought Suarez from Ajax for £23m and maybe they could have demanded more, maybe they just realised Suarez was unlikely to 'take it lying down' and would engineer a move anyway, it's not as if he hadn't been naughty (you know how) before and so maybe to them £23m was a reasonable price they might fight tooth and nail for a bit extra for but may end not.
Mane I still argue was at best about worth what we paid, but to tie in with Wijnaldum I'm less prone to believe the silly money bandied about for players sets a worthwhile benchmark. In both regards, Wijnaldum and Mane, I am happy enough (now) we signed both, would rather we developed a habit of buying players like them from source at a much cheaper price, but the £60m or whatever they cost combined is maybe only £20m more than I'd value them (at the point we bought) Mane has done very well, is a crucial component, but for me some way off being as big an influence as Suarez was.
I'll now duck for cover and never return with so many on here not liking it when someone 'dissents'
I feel both have improved their consistency to a new level and that will have an impact moreso next season. Mane will be unplayable even more often next season. He has shown on a number of occasions that he's an absolute nightmare for defenders. Winjaldum despite a slow start when he was good, but not brilliant has improved the longer the season went on.
It's these sort of things as fans we do want to see from players that commanded high fees and that's overall improvement and the want to improve. We have that in Firmino, Lallana, Winjaldum and Mane and I'm convinced that Klopp has had something to do with their overall improvement.
You could also say playing with better players could help. I'm not sure it's 'wild' up and down form from Gini and Mane. I bet playing for Newcastle being relegated there were games he just didn't see enough of the ball.
He's begun to add goals to his game, which is good! But he needs to be more consistent in terms of his performances home and away. Overall I think he's been a good signing (applied himself at a bigger club much better than Sissoko has at Spurs), hope he continues to develop into a really decent player next season.
A lot of pressure on wijnaldum now lallana is injured.
I'm not sure how his role changes game to game but he's been a passenger today, he can be superb one game then unnoticeable another, maybe to do with how he's been asked to play?
I thought he showed desire throughout wanting to keep up the tempo of the match
I'm not saying Gini was outstanding yesterday but I've maintained in terms of position he's by far the best player we have or have had for a long time. Firmino and even Milner show positional intelligence but Wijnaldum is on another level.
You saw it in the first game against Arsenal and in big games he's an absolute genius are creating space for others with his movement. As fans it is absolutely understandable we focus everything on what happens with the ball but watch Coutinho's goal again yesterday.
Wijnaldum's subtle movement is plain beautiful. I'll attach a clip below please pause at 2:35
Can is on the ball. There's a clear pass to Wijnaldum on who has moved beautifully into the space and look where Wijnaldum is pointing. He's point back to Lucas. Now most players would be screaming for the ball in that area.
Wijnaldum doesn't he directs the play back to Lucas because he's already 3 steps ahead in his mind. He's going to move forward and join Firmino to create a two man strike force up against Everton's three centre backs. The beauty of having 3 centre backs is you always have one spare.
Please pause again at 2:39
Milner moves to add width and Wijnaldum moves to centre right to double with Firmino and then seeing Coutinho isolating Gueye he realises Pennington could easily step up and cut off the space Coutinho wants to go into. Now most players would still peel off to try and drag Pennington the other way but he absolutely knows that wont work in this situation.
So he moves towards the space where Coutinho is attacking you're taught to vacate. He does it so subtly just to bring himself into the sight line of Pennington who reacts and stops to now he can't join Gueye.
Now Coutinho has a one on one with Pennington, he has a one two option with Wijnaldum or he can knock it back. Now wonder Pennington didn't have a clue what to do.
This is some of the most intelligent movement you will ever see in a football match. Without touching the ball he's literally toying with every Everton defender moving them exactly where they don't want to be, creating space where they don't want it and stopping them finding solutions with his positioning.
I'm not saying he was great yesterday but without touching the ball at all for that goal his movement and intelligence was something of beauty. In fact is was pure full on genius. Very few players have a complete picture of the play and how they influence everybody else.
From moving into the space to identify himself as a threat, directing the play back to Lucas so he can stretch the distance moving forward and Coutinho can find the space, creating the threat behind Pennington by joining in a two man strike position to then finally moving towards the space Coutinho attacks to stop Pennington being able to step and cover Gueye so they both challenge together by standing in his line of vision, then being an option for Coutinho as he takes the one on one.
Absolute mastery of positional play. In a derby to have such calmness, clarity and see the bigger picture as players dive in, demand, the ball, burst everywhere it was beautiful
Last edited by Coach791; 2-4-17 at 10:36.
I am surprised with the criticism of our midfield yesterday they moved the ball efficiently, created chances, protected the defence and bullied the bitters midfield. It was men against boys.
So underrated. Fantastic at keeping possession, great movement off the ball, his runs to help Milner in tight situations are superb. Nice one again Gini.
I'm calm about Bournemouth, they aren't a team to sit back and defend for their lives. If they come at us we'll tear them to pieces.
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