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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Is there a reason why people would be against a 4 day school week?
    Childcare on the 5th day at a wild guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Childcare on the 5th day at a wild guess.
    Exactly. That's why our children go to school 5 days a week. It's not to make them smarter, they're in an education system designed to make them obedient rather than smart. It is simply the modern slavery where both parents are forced to work and even though 5 days a week away from parental love and care we know is bad for children you're forced to accept it.

    The education system is broken. A child could come out significantly smarter attending school for 3 hours per day, 3 days a week and with better prospects simply by improving how we educated them.

    Forcing them in school for long periods is simply a means to assist both parents working and they outsource much of the childs upbringing to the state which along with teaching methods helps them conform, be obedient and submit to authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Childcare on the 5th day at a wild guess.
    So obvious im surprised the question was asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    You can't really compare London, or indeed any part of England, to other parts of England. To get a meaningful comparison you would need to compare perhaps NI (wholly selective) to Scotland (no selection)
    No obviously you cant compare any authority or area which inconveniently doesnt fit in with your view. Do you want more areas which are out performing grammar schools in Kent cos there are plenty of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Childcare on the 5th day at a wild guess.
    If 4 day week is better for the kids...then I'm all for it.

    However my kids still do the hours of a 5 day week in 4 and half days...and most of their lessons are now 2 hours long...and by the last half hour half the kids have lost interest and start playing up.
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    Hahaha - Ukip party conference erupts into a fist fight

    The new face of British Politics
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    Is no one going to comment on UKip?

    My god what the hell is going on. I suppose we should not be surprised when the thugs of the BNP and EDL try to look respectable by joining UKip. There is more latent thuggery in rw people who claim theyre respectable than in any other grouping. They believe in arming yourself, they believe in wars to solve problems and force to resolve disputes as we've seen today.
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    Kippers have always been an embarrassment.
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    With regards to UKIP fighting seems a bit ridiculous but I suppose there may be qualifying grounds if it were a passionate debate over the future if the world, less so if it was a personal argument that got out of hand.

    I wouldn't advocate violence ever when other ways to resolve. Many politicians now are out for self interest if only they'd fight for what was right rather than either comply or fight each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    No obviously you cant compare any authority or area which inconveniently doesnt fit in with your view. Do you want more areas which are out performing grammar schools in Kent cos there are plenty of them?
    I've already answered that, stop being silly
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    You can't really compare London, or indeed any part of England, to other parts of England. To get a meaningful comparison you would need to compare perhaps NI (wholly selective) to Scotland (no selection)
    Why not?

    Edit. Sorry. I see you're dealing with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    Why not?
    Because there are so few, a relatively tiny number, there just isn't a meaningful comparison to be had
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Exactly. That's why our children go to school 5 days a week. It's not to make them smarter, they're in an education system designed to make them obedient rather than smart. It is simply the modern slavery where both parents are forced to work and even though 5 days a week away from parental love and care we know is bad for children you're forced to accept it.

    The education system is broken. A child could come out significantly smarter attending school for 3 hours per day, 3 days a week and with better prospects simply by improving how we educated them.

    Forcing them in school for long periods is simply a means to assist both parents working and they outsource much of the childs upbringing to the state which along with teaching methods helps them conform, be obedient and submit to authority.
    I actually agree. Schools, as we know them now, have been in existence for how long? 100/200 years?

    Things much older and integral to society have been questioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Because there are so few, a relatively tiny number, there just isn't a meaningful comparison to be had
    Thanks.
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    I'm not sure what's the problem with grammar schools that people have. I mean if it does not divert funding away from Comprehensives, then what's the problem? Just more choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehez View Post
    I'm not sure what's the problem with grammar schools that people have. I mean if it does not divert funding away from Comprehensives, then what's the problem? Just more choice.
    The issue is for some (especially with compulsory testing) means that the children who fail might consider themselves as failures. So they argue that education should be available to all in a comprehensive school. Where there is likely to have a mixture of all abilities and to a large extent all social classes.

    The counterargument is that we already have some ways of selective education. Firstly in schools there may be an element of streaming where those at the top of their ability are in one group and the also rans are in another. However the major sticking point is that there is a good school premium on house prices. That is because they are prepared to pay an additional lump sum to ensure that their child receives the best start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    The issue is for some (especially with compulsory testing) means that the children who fail might consider themselves as failures.
    Any child being made to feel a failure for not securing a place at a grammar would be indicative of a parenting problem, not a schooling one.

    Plus, nobody gets told how they perform in the test- clearly those who secure a place passed but no scores are revealed, if the school has 150 places and a thousand children pass the test, are there 850 failures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehez View Post
    I'm not sure what's the problem with grammar schools that people have. I mean if it does not divert funding away from Comprehensives, then what's the problem? Just more choice.
    How about being told at 11 that you are seen as a failure and your life chances are diminished.
    How about that its only the middle classes that will be able to take this up/or will use their muscle and that theyve paid for home tutoring
    How about that its once again putting individual "choice" above the needs of a community or the country
    How about that when the most academically successful have been creamed off by grammar schools the effect on the schools without these pupils will be to make them less successful
    How about that it will not improve social mobility
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    How about being told at 11 that you are seen as a failure and your life chances are diminished.
    See my previous post
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    How about that its only the middle classes that will be able to take this up/or will use their muscle and that theyve paid for home tutoring
    Supply and demand.

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    How about that its once again putting individual "choice" above the needs of a community or the country
    Educating our young to the best of their ability is bad for the country?
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    How about that when the most academically successful have been creamed off by grammar schools the effect on the schools without these pupils will be to make them less successful
    But... London!!!
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    How about that it will not improve social mobility
    How are we defining social mobility? The difference in where you start and where you end up? Does university (or the attainment of a degree) aid social mobility?
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    Is going to a lesser University due to your A-level grade means you're being told you're a failure at 18?

    Is failing a Mathematics exam in 1st grade means being told you're a failure at 6?

    Is not passing the early rounds of a job interview means being told you're a failure at 35?

    What's the point of having varying academic abilities in just 1 class, studying the same thing?
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    The main problem with grammar schools is the exclusivity. It's a really narrow minded view on education and means children miss out on so many other academic avenues for them to explore.

    It's not the 40's any more. There's more to learning that teaching grammar.
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    Follow the Nordic model and set up the education system to have two tracks. One for students who have academic interests and abilities, and the other for students who prefer vocational-based education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    How about being told at 11 that you are seen as a failure and your life chances are diminished.
    How about that its only the middle classes that will be able to take this up/or will use their muscle and that theyve paid for home tutoring
    How about that its once again putting individual "choice" above the needs of a community or the country
    How about that when the most academically successful have been creamed off by grammar schools the effect on the schools without these pupils will be to make them less successful
    How about that it will not improve social mobility
    It's no different to failing anything else.
    Failing a job interview, failing a professional exam, failing GCSE's, failing A levels, failing to get into a University or College, failing to get into a football team, failing to get into a band or stage show, failing to get a girl you fancy to go out with you.
    Pretty much anything can be seen as a failure if you have a negative attitude.
    So we ban anything that can be considered as failure so not to hurt anybody's feelings?. That's communism - but that doesnt work either.

    Nobody puts a community or country above their own interests - nobody on the entire planet.
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    So according to todays Times Rooney has avoided 3m of tax. This is it now. Sums up the whole country. Rampant individualism allied to greed both of which have been given state approval by govts stretching back to 1979.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyZidane View Post
    It's no different to failing anything else.
    Failing a job interview, failing a professional exam, failing GCSE's, failing A levels, failing to get into a University or College, failing to get into a football team, failing to get into a band or stage show, failing to get a girl you fancy to go out with you.
    Pretty much anything can be seen as a failure if you have a negative attitude.
    So we ban anything that can be considered as failure so not to hurt anybody's feelings?. That's communism - but that doesnt work either.

    Nobody puts a community or country above their own interests - nobody on the entire planet.
    I could argue there are those who dont do that but I think that is one thing even if it were true. What is quite another is successive govts since 1979 pursuing individualism as a policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    Follow the Nordic model and set up the education system to have two tracks. One for students who have academic interests and abilities, and the other for students who prefer vocational-based education.
    Something needs to be done - not everyone is Academic - and certainly not everyone is practical
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    Speaking of academics, xenophobia is rapidly becoming all the rage it seems:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eign-academics
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    So according to todays Times Rooney has avoided 3m of tax. This is it now. Sums up the whole country. Rampant individualism allied to greed both of which have been given state approval by govts stretching back to 1979.
    Damn right - one of the things I hate is the discrimination of the haves and the have nots in any field...... Equality means the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. This country does not promote that
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    Have we seen a vote where turkeys have voted for Christmas and have done so by an overwhelming majority.

    In international law one nation cannot use its courts to go after another nation and their citizens.

    However not only has the Capitol building opened this door with the Justice against Sponsored Terrorism Act they also ignored warnings from Obama and the law of unintended consequences that by enacting this law opens up the American government to law suits from other countries.

    The main premise of the Bill was to allow families of 9-11 victims to sue the Saudi government for providing training, funds, etc. to the organisers and perpetrators of that terrorist act.

    Yes the clue is in the name so limited to terrorism but terrorism is in the eye of the beholder so could we see families in locations like Afghanistan, Syria and Somalia taking the U.S. government to court due to the drone strikes or special forces conducting raids.

    To overturn Obama's veto only one person voted against the bill and two abstained. Everyone else voted for it despite Obama's warnings.

    Now it may be that due to a nervousness that voting against the 9-11 families and policies aimed to protect America from 9-11 will be political suicide. However, any elected official should also consider that there will be times when public opinion is opting for one choice but that is not the correct choice so they should vote the other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Damn right - one of the things I hate is the discrimination of the haves and the have nots in any field...... Equality means the state of being equal, especially in status,rights, or opportunities. This country does not promote that
    This. Well said.

    And that's what it's all about.
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