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    people are lost and i'm not sure they are actually worth finding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil tourist View Post
    people are lost and i'm not sure they are actually worth finding.
    I can see the truth in that - the world is full of crazies and the power lies with the criminals
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    If you dont already know ... what is neoliberalism? George Monbiot explains this in words everyone can understand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuMntvVwwWM

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    I haven't watched the video but be careful when listening to scientists describing problem solving. I'm a big advocate of logical thinking and problem solving. However I noticed a 'problem' with the synopsis of the video from Julia Galef

    Julia Galef provides a fix for the "the commitment effect," the condition of sticking with a business plan or a career or a relationship "long after it has become quite clear that it's not doing anything for us."

    Firstly a business plan is different to a relationship. Secondly the phrase 'long after it is doing anything for us' shows a lack of understanding of how relationships works. If your in a relationship constantly considering what it does for you then chances are that relationship will be a struggle. We always want more.

    However it should be about a combined partnership and a commitment to working together to solve problems and make each other happy. We are told a complete lie that 'we're in love' like it's a real thing. What is described as love is actually attraction. You have to be love to maintain a relationship that will absolutely work.

    No scientist can tell you that. Most psychologists are taught incorrectly. They are taught through a lens of the world designed to actually cause conflict and more problems. They have many helpful techniques but most of those techniques treat symptoms rather than causes.

    If you are evaluating a relationship on what it gives YOU. If you are asking what's in it for me and when you find a moment it's not giving enough you walk away. If you pick another person who does the same. Then the actual problem is nothing to do with 'commitment effect' at all.

    The problem is you don't understand love, yourself, relationships, commitment and compassion. Most people don't understand it. That's because of the world we're in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    I haven't watched the video but be careful when listening to scientists describing problem solving. I'm a big advocate of logical thinking and problem solving. However I noticed a 'problem' with the synopsis of the video from Julia Galef

    Julia Galef provides a fix for the "the commitment effect," the condition of sticking with a business plan or a career or a relationship "long after it has become quite clear that it's not doing anything for us."

    Firstly a business plan is different to a relationship. Secondly the phrase 'long after it is doing anything for us' shows a lack of understanding of how relationships works. If your in a relationship constantly considering what it does for you then chances are that relationship will be a struggle. We always want more.

    However it should be about a combined partnership and a commitment to working together to solve problems and make each other happy. We are told a complete lie that 'we're in love' like it's a real thing. What is described as love is actually attraction. You have to be love to maintain a relationship that will absolutely work.

    No scientist can tell you that. Most psychologists are taught incorrectly. They are taught through a lens of the world designed to actually cause conflict and more problems. They have many helpful techniques but most of those techniques treat symptoms rather than causes.

    If you are evaluating a relationship on what it gives YOU. If you are asking what's in it for me and when you find a moment it's not giving enough you walk away. If you pick another person who does the same. Then the actual problem is nothing to do with 'commitment effect' at all.

    The problem is you don't understand love, yourself, relationships, commitment and compassion. Most people don't understand it. That's because of the world we're in.
    Quite impressed by that. And probably hits the nail on the head with most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    The problem is you don't understand love, yourself, relationships, commitment and compassion. Most people don't understand it. That's because of the world we're in.
    Most don't - after all its a throw away society today, stuff that works, usual means people have given time and effort and compromise to make things work, for most that too much effort
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Quite impressed by that. And probably hits the nail on the head with most people.
    It's so difficult to understand simple truths born into a world that is a web of lies. In a world with love, people understanding it, experiencing it then it's more difficult to manipulate. War is harder to create. Hiding knowledge and using it against people is how the world is manipulated into this false humanity we see today.

    If you corrupt people's idea of love, confuse it with attraction, how somebody looks, how they make you feel, what they do for you, social status, whatever then you tell people all they need is love. They spend their whole lives disconnected looking for something that's a lie.

    That way people don't feel love so they do things they wouldn't normally. They're unhappier, they're more easily manipulated, more judgemental. It's one of the biggest lies deliberately created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    I can see the truth in that - the world is full of crazies and the power lies with the criminals
    problem is the crazies and the criminals blend in too well with normal society. difficult to tell the difference these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil tourist View Post
    problem is the crazies and the criminals blend in too well with normal society. difficult to tell the difference these days
    Psychopaths. Around 4% of the population could be termed psychopaths. Bush, Obama, Thatcher, Regan, Kissinger are obvious psychopaths and fit every category of testing that would term them psychopathic. The heads of government, military, the highest in financial and corporate food chains are all psychopathic.

    A psychopath can act without compassion, empathy, responsibility or remorse. Psychologists know that constant criticism and lack of affection is the most successful way to create a disturbed personality. A disturbed personality is not a psychopath but can display some similar traits on moments of stress.

    This is why children are tested so much now. Why teachers, doctors are being attacked and prevented from caring by governments systems and why parents now work two jobs, why communities have been broken up in urban areas in particular and this is all designed to remove affection and increase criticism and testing. The hope has been to create a psychopathic society which will be easier to manipulate as they look after number 1 always, refuse to care for others and often engage in conflict with one another ignoring those in power.

    There has been some success but only in creating disturbances. People are generally not becoming psychopathic as hoped. In a nation of psychopaths those psychopaths in power no longer have to hide because nobody will care about anybody but themselves. However the psychopaths in power face daily concern that people will come together.

    They've had to become more extreme now. Genetically modifying humans through food and environment, increase in cancer to cause loss of anybody you become attached to (we'll see true cancer epidemic in next 50 years) and technology and society has been constructed to disconnect people from people and connect people to 'the cloud' which is called so because it is the psychopathic version of 'heaven' where eventually people will not think and an artificial intelligence will control things for us.

    People consider things like farming primitive and technology advanced. Creating food for the community to live on, sustain itself is advanced human behaviour. Compassionate, interactive and communal. When you consider the millions of people up and down each country in offices not speaking to one another completing menial tasks on a PC that isn't human progression.

    The obvious path for human progression is to create machines to do the menial tasks whilst we expand out thinking and intellect and design a better society. What's happening is we're creating machines to think so we become menial and lose our higher thought processing ability. Society promotes turning robots into human type thinkers and humans into robots.

    Criminals now are attacked but there are different types. The vast majority of criminals have fallen prey to the disturbed society of lack of affection and constant criticism. Being told they must be successful, must achieve, be rich, be successful or people won't respect you and then in a society of no compassion constantly criticised for not being able to do this. It's much more common for those without economic opportunities for change, in areas where violence and drugs are openly promoted through government changes to society these are the criminals we see in the paper who lose control.

    These are what I term 'temporary' criminals, ones brought about conditionally. In a sense under normal human conditions they would revert to normal human behaviour. That's why conditions are decreasing to try and increase these temporary criminals through law changes, society changes and then attack these people.

    Permanent psychopaths are often not even termed criminals because they commit the worst crimes legally. Right now these psychopaths create huge scale crimes that they either legalise or completely hide with lies and this requires a sociopath also. These people are capable of acting like us, speaking like us, manipulating us and we almost always struggle to identify them. You can simply by looking who is in power now.

    However the one thing that cannot display is remorse, compassion, sorrow, guilt any of these normal human emotions if an act causes pain or suffering. Hence why we are given the idea of a 'strong' leader lacking all of these things. They have to create a public perception of leadership as dignified, strong, making tough decisions, fearless however what you notice is that leaders never put themselves in pain or danger so these notions of leadership are as false as could possibly be.

    You will never see the Queen showing emotion, Thatcher didn't, Bush, Obama, Regan, in fact anger is probably the only emotion they could display. For example if a leader can insist bombing Syria is the only option without remorse, compassion or empathy for the many women and children he will order the murder of then there are only two options.

    Firstly he/she is a psychopath and/or sociopath. Second is that they didn't actually make the decision and they have no power. 30-40% of humans when they are told they bear no responsibility, they have no choice, they are under orders and they must obey will do so. This can explain those in each nation who can sign up for military, it can explain the formation Nazi Party and adaptation and especially if they don't have to 'see' the consequence of their actions.

    A study was conducted where people were instructed to harm others for incorrect answers with increasing strength using electrical shocks and when you put the person shocked in another room 30-40% of humans will continue to shock until death if told they have no choice and they signed up for this and there is an authority figure present.

    If you conduct that test with the person being shocked live then the numbers dramatically reduce. There will still be 4-5% who would continue to death (psychopaths) but only if they could be absolutely certain their actions would cause great benefit with no consequence. For thousands of years secret societies have existed. Devil worship, occult whatever people want to call it.

    You will hear conspiracy theories around aliens, demons, many other things but whilst there are secret societies and they are breeding grounds for presidents and bankers and such and they no doubt contain rituals and sacrifices I don't believe in the demonic side of the conspiracy theory. I do however believe in psychologically proven systems.

    For example if you want to uncover psychopaths then secret societies are ideal. They can act in secret without consequence. In a system where you believe in a demonic god, that you are serving them, that it will benefit you to display your psychopathic attributes that's an ideal system. Indeed psychopaths will be attracted to such societies like moths to a light.

    If you create a hierarchical system where only the most committed psychopaths reach the top, at the top you have the most extreme psychopaths. If they believe in demons doesn't matter it eventually ends up with what are they prepared to do to reach the top. That's why psychopaths are difficult to spot. Criminals you can spot by if they break the law but many are conditionally or temporary criminals. Humans with the potential to commit a crime rather than permanent psychopaths.

    Permanent psychopaths expose themselves at times with consistent atrocities. However those in power are hidden by secrecy. On top of that they are placed in positions humans are subordinate to in positions of high social power or influence such as prime ministers, judges or as we're taught to worship and bow to wealth the largest corporate powers. This is where permanent psychopathic behaviour remains.

    The mass population uses such simple definitions as 'criminal' or 'crazy' and doesn't effectively understand the situation. That's another way confusion arises. There are many deliberate ways to confuse society but if you can rationalise those with temporary disturbed personality caused by society from those who are psychopathic that's a good start.

    Then if you can separate those psychopathic people who expose themselves in society to those hidden by society that's another good reference. When you see financial power at the very top that is a guarantee of psychopathy, the same for military, corporate and government. One of the very defence systems show this which is the phrase conspiracy theory.

    As non psychopaths the idea of us working together with a psychopath seems impossible. In fact the way we understand psychopaths is naturally flawed as we are not one so we can't. We think of psychopaths as lacking certain things such as empathy, compassion things like this but we wrongly call them crazy. The word crazy is designed to think unstable, unpredictable, hatred for all others but a psychopath just lacks empathy or guilt for their own action.

    In this way a psychopath is ultimately open every minute of everyday to working with another human be it non psychopath or psychopath if it benefits them. When a psychopath is in a position of power and therefore secrecy it is a psychological certainty they will work with other similar psychopaths and conspiracy is not 'crazy' but an absolute certainty from a psychological perspective. The fact non psychopaths don't believe they exist and refer to all obvious conspiracies as 'tin hat' is simply because they're not psychopaths and don't understand psychopaths.

    If you don't understand the nature of the beast you can't spot it. Have you ever seen the film Avatar? They couldn't spot the human infiltrating them. In the film the Matrix anybody can be an agent. Humans can't distinguish themselves in that film. Now film isn't real but those that write this either have inside information or have studied the subject because human creativity means you need an equivalent stimulus to form an idea in another areas.

    We don't have that experience or information so we think they're the product of a 'genius imagination' when that's massively unlikely. Take when British government sold chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein knowing what he would do. Legal? Sure. Psychopathic? Absolutely. Proposing the bombing of Syria despite the nation committing no crime, engaging on no terrorist attacks or any attacks on us? Psychopathic.

    However a disturbed population going back to what i said earlier that doesn't see the result of the bombing, doesn't see the death live, has no say in the decision so bears no responsibility for that decision then people can accept it.

    I can give two examples at how blurred crazy, psychopathic behaviour can be adopted by simply disturbed of obedient personalities. If you asked most British citizens if they could take a plane to Syria walk into the home of an innocent and peace loving Syrian family and dismember them only a fraction of the population could. These would be psychopaths and they would have to see benefit.

    However if you take disturbed personality, put them through military training to disturb them and desensitise them even more and then you train them to fly a drone from 10,000 miles away and drop a bomb (like a computer game) and focus not on pain, death, murder but hitting the target then despite the result being the same humans will rationalise it differently. They didn't see the outcome, they didn't see the pain, suffering and they hit the target.

    That is no different to a burglar in your home when you are out.........psychologically. He has a target, he;s not thinking of the outcome just get the job done quickly and efficiently as possible. He doesn't see the pain, suffering or whatever and yet one is rewarded by society and the other is a monster. Think about that. The man that dismembers another human who he has no idea if he's done anything wrong and should never think it's ok to be judge, jury and executioner will commit murder and be celebrated.

    The person stealing your belongings whilst being invasive and wrong is criminalised. Many of the reasons people don't understand society is they've been taught a completely absurd view of society. One based around power and obedience. So to first understand how to spot them you have to understand criminality and i can tell you few people actually do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil tourist View Post
    problem is the crazies and the criminals blend in too well with normal society. difficult to tell the difference these days
    They have always been there mate - now as there is more finger pointing, coz there is more awareness..... The problem is, it is gettng easier, loneliness and isolation is on the up, as people rebuke contact, which is crazy in todays world, with messaging and technology the way it is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Psychopaths. Around 4% of the population could be termed psychopaths. Bush, Obama, Thatcher, Regan, Kissinger are obvious psychopaths and fit every category of testing that would term them psychopathic. The heads of government, military, the highest in financial and corporate food chains are all psychopathic.

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    4% is the upper limit in these studies with other quoting around 0.5%. If you think to your own friends groups throughout the years 1 in 25 seems very high, obviously not every psychopath acts upon their tendencies.

    I'm not sure anyone could say with any degree of certainty that these people are psychopaths, firstly the PCL-R test has issues of its own in its structure, its reliance on crime and class as an indicator, the fact that scoring highly could be a mis-diagnosis instead of psychopathic tendencies and perceived influence of the tester (meaning that you scoring these people would be different to any other random poster on this board) and it doesn't test very well at all when applied to some high functioning psychopaths (after the event).

    I would hazard a guess that most of those people would not register on that scale, and if they did, it would be skewed by what you or I believed to be correct which could well not be right at all. Just imagine if both a Trump supporter and hater tested Trump on this scale, and imagine the wildly different scores it would produce.

    Just labelling those at the top of their fields is probably indicative of your own personal prejudices. No doubt some are, after all 1 in 200 at the low end of the scale is still a lot of people, but all? Definitely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    4% is the upper limit in these studies with other quoting around 0.5%. If you think to your own friends groups throughout the years 1 in 25 seems very high, obviously not every psychopath acts upon their tendencies.

    I'm not sure anyone could say with any degree of certainty that these people are psychopaths, firstly the PCL-R test has issues of its own in its structure, its reliance on crime and class as an indicator, the fact that scoring highly could be a mis-diagnosis instead of psychopathic tendencies and perceived influence of the tester (meaning that you scoring these people would be different to any other random poster on this board) and it doesn't test very well at all when applied to some high functioning psychopaths (after the event).

    I would hazard a guess that most of those people would not register on that scale, and if they did, it would be skewed by what you or I believed to be correct which could well not be right at all. Just imagine if both a Trump supporter and hater tested Trump on this scale, and imagine the wildly different scores it would produce.

    Just labelling those at the top of their fields is probably indicative of your own personal prejudices. No doubt some are, after all 1 in 200 at the low end of the scale is still a lot of people, but all? Definitely not.
    The basis my confidence they are psychopaths is connecting of supporting evidence. You rightly suggest not all psychopaths act out their behavioural traits. The most powerful politicians make decisions that impact millions with little compassion. As I referred that's not always psychopathic. If they don't see the result, the suffering that can attributed to something else.

    However non psychopaths tend to need to be absolved of responsibility and be subject to a hierarchy of power that orders them to do this. Now it is certainly possible that some system above government controls government and this then comes into play. In the areas of banking, corporate and military or intelligence this could also be possible but by nature the higher up you go the less responsibility can be deflected.

    There is an obvious system where populations are manipulated to support government crimes through fear and politicians like Blair and Bush support obvious lies to manipulate the public. Even so take Iraq 6 million marched against war and almost 90% of population were against it and yet almost entire government unilaterally supported it.

    That suggests at the top of government there is a completely different mentality being passed down that has no empathy, compassion but simply enacts agenda for personal benefit or in service to those above them. Then why you see systems in place be it public, corporate or secret societies where the worst make it to the top then the selection system can only be designed by psychopaths.

    If those at the top are able to kill, bomb, lie, manipulate without empathy or compassion then they are either psychopaths or they are not really a decision maker at all. The possibilities become increasingly limited. Given there has been a consistent and continued agenda to centralise power and conceal actual objectives over many decades, centuries and more than ever this is happening then that lends itself only to secrecy, manipulation and the work of psychopaths.

    So either Bush, Blair, Obama, Thatcher are psychopaths who have fought to the top and enacted their own agenda to benefit themselves and other psychopaths. Or they have come through systems designed by psychopaths to enact their wishes using psychology to allow these people to disassociate themselves from their actions, outcomes and suffering caused by their actions. This system would actually see other psychopaths become more successful just by nature as they disassociate themselves with ease as it is a natural trait.

    A person without a disturbed personality, non psychopathic, should they reach the top and see the horror of reality in government that is a significant risk to the system. That's why compartmentalisation is required. A President doesn't know what intelligence does only what they tell him. He often won't know what military does, CFR may advise and he'll have all sorts of advisers without actually having full disclosure. Such a system is in play and it can only be designed to hide so manipulation can occur.

    Whatever way you look at it, however you assess the only outcome is the system is designed and controlled by psychopaths. There isn't another possibility. People can be selfish that is not in doubt. However to oppress entire populations in 3rd world to make profit? Create wars and dismember women and children for agenda? That's not possible unless you are a psychopath or you under orders and don't see the outcome. The only people who create systems to make others enact psychopathic behaviour through use of psychology without being psychopaths are psychopaths.

    If you distribute decision making, you distribute opinion in policy formation, if you are inclusive in society and have a broad range of opinions and thoughts and ideas then you will generally get human outcomes. If you ask the population if children should have a right to food and water, if banks should be allowed to commit trillions of fraud every year, if the planet should be destroyed if we should create weapons we can blow up the world with and end humanity they'd say no.
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    Expect more strikes and all that over the next 10 years......

    It is expected that between 6% and 15% of the workforce will be replaced by AI and automated system in the next 10 years....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Expect more strikes and all that over the next 10 years......

    It is expected that between 6% and 15% of the workforce will be replaced by AI and automated system in the next 10 years....
    Maybe we should look at educating our children and creating a society where people have roles automation can't do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Maybe we should look at educating our children and creating a society where people have roles automation can't do.
    That doesn't leave much - Robots and AI's will be able to do most things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    That does leave much - Robots and AI's will be able to do most things...
    Then make sure our kids are the ones designing/creating/operating/maintaining these machines
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    I don't see humanity any differently than a 100 years ago.

    There are still as many if not more good people in this world as before. There are sadly just as many bad people in the world as before and that will never change. I see good people doing good things everyday, but that is not publisised. The bad people get all the media coverage and headlines, therefore it makes us feel evermore depressed and like the world is doomed.

    I don't believe that is the case, just look at the amount of money is raised every year for Comic relief, look at the amazing work people are doing to help people not just in poor countries in Africa but in the UK and every country for that matter. Look around yuo and take notice of the kind strangers that help an old lady pick something up when they drop something in a supermarket or the person who goes the extra mile to help someone who is lost. I see it all the time, and I truly believe the world is far from doomed.

    These horrible vile brainwashed individuals will never convince me the world is doomed and they are right in what they do. Maybe in their minds they are fighting for a just cause, but killing is an eveil act and something that can never be justified.

    It's times like this the world need to stand united and say to these people you will not break us, you will not win!
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    My attempt at whatever .... The problem is not the problem. The problem is always the way we approach solving the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    Then make sure our kids are the ones designing/creating/operating/maintaining these machines
    Make sure our kids go into politics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Maybe we should look at educating our children and creating a society where people have roles automation can't do.
    Although uber has currently mothballed their driverless cars after one was involved in an accident.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Now it appears that the other driver failed to yield and no one was injured. However, it may highlight an issue that whilst an AI is good at following all the traffic laws and know when technically they have the right of way. However, until it realises that other road users are prepared to bend or break the laws and putting other road users at risk then it needs to know how to drive defensively so that it imagines every other road user may do something unexpected putting its car at risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    Although uber has currently mothballed their driverless cars after one was involved in an accident.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Now it appears that the other driver failed to yield and no one was injured. However, it may highlight an issue that whilst an AI is good at following all the traffic laws and know when technically they have the right of way. However, until it realises that other road users are prepared to bend or break the laws and putting other road users at risk then it needs to know how to drive defensively so that it imagines every other road user may do something unexpected putting its car at risk.
    You can teach AI to respond in a fraction of a second to an event, much quicker than a human can. I have no doubt you could create an AI system more capable of avoiding risks and being safer.

    I actually think the debate about the technology is irrelevant. We live in a society where government works in secret and conducts surveillance on the population to make sure it accepts the programme.

    AI cars would inevitably result a system monitoring every move we make, with a capability of being hijacked at any time and the ability to restrict where we can go. A couple fo decades after driver-less cars, the cars would be road mapped.

    Those in power can isolate themselves from anybody. Cars would not be able to go into zones without permission and it would be dressed up as a technological system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    You can teach AI to respond in a fraction of a second to an event, much quicker than a human can. I have no doubt you could create an AI system more capable of avoiding risks and being safer.

    I actually think the debate about the technology is irrelevant. We live in a society where government works in secret and conducts surveillance on the population to make sure it accepts the programme.

    AI cars would inevitably result a system monitoring every move we make, with a capability of being hijacked at any time and the ability to restrict where we can go. A couple fo decades after driver-less cars, the cars would be road mapped.

    Those in power can isolate themselves from anybody. Cars would not be able to go into zones without permission and it would be dressed up as a technological system.
    we already have the 'Congestion charge' and 'low emissions' zones - they can just charge ridiculous amounts of money to enter certain areas thus separating people based on wealth/class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    we already have the 'Congestion charge' and 'low emissions' zones - they can just charge ridiculous amounts of money to enter certain areas thus separating people based on wealth/class.
    I expect more cities to run this in the coming years
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    we already have the 'Congestion charge' and 'low emissions' zones - they can just charge ridiculous amounts of money to enter certain areas thus separating people based on wealth/class.
    There's a logical step if you are socially and economically trying to separate people into classes that eventually may physically distance yourself. Especially if the numbers with privilege are so few they are vulnerable to attack.
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    Its a crazy world we live in when you consider the terror attack in London and the imminent release of Alexander Blackman who ws the soldier sentenced to prison for "murdering" an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan.....
    dont look back in anger.
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    The problem is bigger than we can imagine ... The Anthropocene ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Its a crazy world we live in when you consider the terror attack in London and the imminent release of Alexander Blackman who ws the soldier sentenced to prison for "murdering" an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan.....
    Very true.
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