https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...arge_print.pdfThis is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.
As the UK friendly Maltese president has stated that there will be no uk only deal for freedom of movement that does NOT have an impact on access to the single market. It is not as the leave side suggested of this is what we want and they will bend over backwards to give it to us.
But my point is not UK should have a better deal - that's the wrong way to look at it. If the EU thinks FOM is a positive as claimed by the EU - then why talk about it as a negative. And if it is a negative then surely they should find a way to improve it - not carry on with a negative.
Secondly, based on the evidence on this forum, it was only we leavers who knew about our obligations regarding reste a liquider, for example, so it would seem we gave more thought to the economics than did your lot
And what does that have to do with your blatant lie that we were not told it would be our decision?
I totally accept that you probably took all this into account as well. Which begs the questions; How much were you prepared for the nation to pay, to achieve a soft exit with businesses still able to hire whoever and how many they want, whilst maintaing austerity to deal with debt. When do you think we will get a return on that investment?
So the predictable challenges are happening, shame some of the players involved are such ****'s but the principle stands and of course if we made our decisions on association only, then only a loon or far right winger would have voted leave, supporting the likes of Farage and Boris Johnson (who continue to antagonize the very people we are supposed to be negotiating with) which is just not the case.
Interesting read that from that hippy latte sipping lefty rag:
People voted. Decisions have consequences. But we are honour bound to act to support that decision. The only time it should change is if there is clear undeniable proof that enough Brexiters have changed their mind.
As you say, if we do go with the original vote, we have to at least have a say as voters on the terms, the very basic terms we voted on (or should have voted on) need to be clear, like you say hard or soft exit though clearly, at least to my mind, the so called hard exit is a nonsense, unworkable.
The EU Immigration policy is problematic and the lack of consistency they apply on this across various countries is apparent, but again I'd rather we were part of that set up and influencing it best we can as opposed to walking away entirely and going solo with little to no tools.
All very complicated, no easy answer as well know
no more referendums.............brexit meant brexit. we were asked yes or no.......not soft or hard.
leaving something means leaving. we tried to negotiate with the eu when Cameron went to them cap in hand last year...wanting a better deal. the eu just looked down on us like we were pathetic crybabies..
we need to be strong and tell them we are OUT.
I'm choosing to honour the vote, despite the fact I think it's a massive mistake. Totally get people looking to avoid the problems this will cause. But basically it can't be done without undermining the original vote. For me, that's not right.
As you say. All very complicated. I've a feeling though, that the EU will not want us back. That'll simplify matters.
I don't personally buy this vote was forever binding or revisiting goes against democracy, if something so big is such a mess with long reaching consequences either way, its sensible to know more & decide under what basis we are leaving, not carry on headstrong & blindly...purely out of misplaced principle in my view.
But your last point is also true, so all this may be academic anyway!
The aim or goal was not clear
The journey was not clear
The campaigns had no element of truth attached on either side
Responsibility was fudged, all those that lead in the campaign, have disappeared in real time.....
Agree, its seems a very poor basis when you consider just those elements, to continue down this path on principle alone.
I think lots said it, but it seems this whole referendum was a result of the Government and the Tory party's in house fighting, so if we've been mugged then we have to revisit the terms, maybe even the referendum itself.
Coach suggested looking to the future and beyond ourselves and for me that is not an acceptance of this sham, but to revisit that sham and make it far more manageable for our futures and beyond....if we still can that is
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