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    Quote Originally Posted by raybarnes View Post
    Spending millions and being 6th is disgraceful
    I can't help how the club spends it's money and how much they do or don't spend. To me it's irrelevant as long as the club is financially secure.

    I'm just a supporter and I'm enjoying watch my team play for the first it a few years.

    Sixth isn't great but we're not out of the running for anything yet, mathematically anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    I have enjoyed it more than the past three seasons yes. I think we have been wasteful in front of goal but we are starting to find our feet. The four new signings have been impressive in different ways. Most United fans I know feel the same. Jose has even turned a few I know to his side who were against his appointment.
    United build an institution under Ferguson and they became globally recognised for success and for entertaining attacking football. We achieved similar things (albeit more success in Europe) and then we made some short term successful appointments that brought trophies but eroded our culture and identity.

    Houllier and Benitez brought trophies, they spend hugely and gave some incredible memories. However over time we became a side that played small. We wanted to defend neutralise stronger opponents and achieved trophies but sacrificed our identity and once those managers left we were a shell of the club we'd been.

    The similarities to United now are striking. Three successive defensive managers in Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and only LVG truly values being dominant in possession. United now visit Anfield and defend for their lives with no belief they can get a better result than a draw.

    Right now you still retain the image of a big club. You have other advantages in that you're financially more powerful than we were and there won't be a new City or Chelsea pop up. However how long can you continue to sign Pogba, Zlatan remain 6th and still have that allure?

    Mourinho's style of management is very, very corrosive. There's a reason he has been sacked twice by Chelsea and once by Real. The Chelsea owner became frustrated at the awful, robotic football fans turned off from. Real grew tired of his destructive approach and it was damaging their brand.

    Football is entertainment as much as sport now. The Chelsea brand is shockingly bad. Unable to grow as expected their success through forcing world class players to defend isn't a financially successful one and only survives through billionaire owner willing to lose money. Real saw their brand take punishment after they became a nasty, petty side in search of short term success.

    How do you imagine it will be possible to maintain United's power and influence with such a corrosive manager at the helm? The thing about playing defensive football at a big club is short term it is easy. If you get top players to defend and counter it works but these top players end of revolting. Hazard and Fabregas didn't become footballers to track Swansea full backs back or watch out for runs from Leroy Fer.

    Barcelona would never dream of hiring Mourinho, Real sacked him, he was considered not up to the task twice at Chelsea and each time big players turned on him. Smaller players at smaller clubs like Porto, Inter they loved him as he gave them hope. A fighting chance by dragging the best down to their level and Chelsea were happy with this once also when they hadn't won anything.

    Barcelona, Real are both clubs too big for Mourinho's style, Chelsea outgrew him and now United wish to build on him. How long before your big players turn on him or you end up with a squad of compliant players who are not good enough for United but will make the sacrifices required?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    I can't help how the club spends it's money and how much they do or don't spend. To me it's irrelevant as long as the club is financially secure.

    I'm just a supporter and I'm enjoying watch my team play for the first it a few years.

    Sixth isn't great but we're not out of the running for anything yet, mathematically anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    United build an institution under Ferguson and they became globally recognised for success and for entertaining attacking football. We achieved similar things (albeit more success in Europe) and then we made some short term successful appointments that brought trophies but eroded our culture and identity.

    Houllier and Benitez brought trophies, they spend hugely and gave some incredible memories. However over time we became a side that played small. We wanted to defend neutralise stronger opponents and achieved trophies but sacrificed our identity and once those managers left we were a shell of the club we'd been.

    The similarities to United now are striking. Three successive defensive managers in Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and only LVG truly values being dominant in possession. United now visit Anfield and defend for their lives with no belief they can get a better result than a draw.

    Right now you still retain the image of a big club. You have other advantages in that you're financially more powerful than we were and there won't be a new City or Chelsea pop up. However how long can you continue to sign Pogba, Zlatan remain 6th and still have that allure?

    Mourinho's style of management is very, very corrosive. There's a reason he has been sacked twice by Chelsea and once by Real. The Chelsea owner became frustrated at the awful, robotic football fans turned off from. Real grew tired of his destructive approach and it was damaging their brand.

    Football is entertainment as much as sport now. The Chelsea brand is shockingly bad. Unable to grow as expected their success through forcing world class players to defend isn't a financially successful one and only survives through billionaire owner willing to lose money. Real saw their brand take punishment after they became a nasty, petty side in search of short term success.

    How do you imagine it will be possible to maintain United's power and influence with such a corrosive manager at the helm? The thing about playing defensive football at a big club is short term it is easy. If you get top players to defend and counter it works but these top players end of revolting. Hazard and Fabregas didn't become footballers to track Swansea full backs back or watch out for runs from Leroy Fer.

    Barcelona would never dream of hiring Mourinho, Real sacked him, he was considered not up to the task twice at Chelsea and each time big players turned on him. Smaller players at smaller clubs like Porto, Inter they loved him as he gave them hope. A fighting chance by dragging the best down to their level and Chelsea were happy with this once also when they hadn't won anything.

    Barcelona, Real are both clubs too big for Mourinho's style, Chelsea outgrew him and now United wish to build on him. How long before your big players turn on him or you end up with a squad of compliant players who are not good enough for United but will make the sacrifices required?
    To be fair the Liverpool way wasn't working with Roy Evans and we tried a new direction and won so many trophies under Gerard and Rafa, lets not forget Evans spent more than Ferguson between 94-98 and all we got in return was a league cup.
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    To be fair the Liverpool way wasn't working with Roy Evans and we tried a new direction and won so many trophies under Gerard and Rafa, lets not forget Evans spent more than Ferguson between 94-98 and all we got in return was a league cup.
    That's the point I was making with differentials between trophies and stability. Fans tend to judge on trophies. You speak like it is a universal truth the Liverpool Way wasn't working under Evans. Certainly there was a lack of professionalism in comparison to European counterparts and nobody would deny that.

    I don't doubt Evans may not have been the ideal manager. However he inherited a side that has been dismantled under Souness (with some justification) and tried to bring back the idea of the Liverpool Way.

    Evans final season in sole charge we finished 3rd, played great football, had a world class youth system by the time the reign's of Houllier and Rafa ended that was a distant memory. We were 7th, youth system all but dead, poor style of play.

    The point being that big clubs remain big but creating something more than results, they create an ideology. We changed our ideology in search of results, Chelsea went from flamboyant under Ranieri to Mourinho, United did the same but each one has not shown evidence the club is more solid. In fact it seems to throw clubs into turmoil.

    A good youth system, strong technical ability, exciting, big style of play these can maintain strength. If you sacrifice them for short tactical gain and trophy success it can't last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    That's the point I was making with differentials between trophies and stability. Fans tend to judge on trophies. You speak like it is a universal truth the Liverpool Way wasn't working under Evans. Certainly there was a lack of professionalism in comparison to European counterparts and nobody would deny that.

    I don't doubt Evans may not have been the ideal manager. However he inherited a side that has been dismantled under Souness (with some justification) and tried to bring back the idea of the Liverpool Way.

    Evans final season in sole charge we finished 3rd, played great football, had a world class youth system by the time the reign's of Houllier and Rafa ended that was a distant memory. We were 7th, youth system all but dead, poor style of play.

    The point being that big clubs remain big but creating something more than results, they create an ideology. We changed our ideology in search of results, Chelsea went from flamboyant under Ranieri to Mourinho, United did the same but each one has not shown evidence the club is more solid. In fact it seems to throw clubs into turmoil.

    A good youth system, strong technical ability, exciting, big style of play these can maintain strength. If you sacrifice them for short tactical gain and trophy success it can't last.
    The Liverpool way could of worked under a better manager, maybe Keegan or even Bobby Robson.

    Obviously our way, identity, playing great football is perfect for us, of course it is but Evans time in the 90s was a big let down, he spent poorly and kept players in the first team should of moved on sooner, James for one and fat arse Ruddock, he took his time signing a capable midfielder as well with Paul Ince but was too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by +shriekback+ View Post
    The Liverpool way could of worked under a better manager, maybe Keegan or even Bobby Robson.

    Obviously our way, identity, playing great football is perfect for us, of course it is but Evans time in the 90s was a big let down, he spent poorly and kept players in the first team should of moved on sooner, James for one and fat arse Ruddock, he took his time signing a capable midfielder as well with Paul Ince but was too late.
    To be honest the point about Evans or failing isn't one that needs discussing in relation to United. There's no doubt Houllier, Rafa and Mourinho are successful managers and I listed in ascending order to most successful.

    That's not the issue with respect to United. The calibre of manager they have in Mourinho is undoubted. He almost guarantees titles. United have appointed him on that basis. For such a big club they've been nowhere near a title race since Ferguson left.

    The longer they continue that the more they have to use other methods to maintain profile. Real always remained huge because of their attractive football and Galacticos policy. They understood early that celebrity status can maintain profile.

    When looking to cement your position as one of the biggest clubs in the world or the biggest the major factor is control of the transfer market. If the best players in the world want to come and play for you you're in a great position.

    Real despite not always being the most successful had such style, such glamour that Ronaldo, Zidane, Raul, Redondo, Roberto Carlos would strut out onto the pitch and there was no other club like Real. Barcelona had to create a more dominant style of play that proved them superior to Real. Remember not that long ago Barcelona couldn't hold on to Figo such was Real's dominance in the transfer market over them.

    Then they produced Messi and they had a youth system so good, a style so good that now Neymar and Suarez pick Barcelona over Real Madrid and that's a huge shift.

    If United are not winning trophies, if they're achieving some form of success playing the Mourinho way they're still on a losing ticket in European terms. Their youth system won't prosper and the only way to support this approach is to maintain success with massive purchases.

    I fully understand breaking the bank for Pogba and Zlatan's wages. However Mourinho won't last, they'll need to send heavily again and this is a feature Chelsea were happy to do. It's not a recipe for long term success.

    United are 6th, they play poor football, they don't attack well, their youth system won't develop and the hope is Mourinho brings a title. That's a lot at stake for what they have sacrificed with Moyes, LVG and now Mourinho.

    This may be the end of United has a major force competing for Champions League for 10 years. Quite simply the world's best players won't dream of choosing United so they can defend and bore themselves to death with Mourinho. They'll go to PSG, Real, Barca and Arsenal and City will probably rank above them unless United pay over the odds over the next few years.

    Had United after Ferguson went after the biggest and most expansive management talents they could it would have been different. At that point with Ferguson's side over the hill that was the time to think big in retrospect. Instead they went for Moyes. Then they tried to build another identity under LVG who in fairness does have a philosophy. Now they're in panic mode and resorted to Mourinho who does bring success but always at a big cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Fan View Post
    Submitted this since the previous thread had hit over 100 pages.

    Commentators keep on calling the 3rd goal a classic Utd game. I agree with it 100%. I mean, the goalscorer being clearly offside yet the goal was allowed to stand.
    it is crazy how its being labelled a great goal when makhitaryn could not even read the offside trap and his goal should not have stood! its like pushing a player over, clear foul and scoring as a result and yet being labelled a 'great goal'!

    anyway, about this thread, it should go in to 'rival talk'. man u should not have a dedicated thread on here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PejiVanbasten View Post
    it is crazy how its being labelled a great goal when makhitaryn could not even read the offside trap and his goal should not have stood! its like pushing a player over, clear foul and scoring as a result and yet being labelled a 'great goal'!

    anyway, about this thread, it should go in to 'rival talk'. man u should not have a dedicated thread on here!
    I saw Dean Saunders on SSN talking about it and he said the marking was awful Something like 'I know he was offside, but why wasn't he being marked?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    United build an institution under Ferguson and they became globally recognised for success and for entertaining attacking football. We achieved similar things (albeit more success in Europe) and then we made some short term successful appointments that brought trophies but eroded our culture and identity.

    Houllier and Benitez brought trophies, they spend hugely and gave some incredible memories. However over time we became a side that played small. We wanted to defend neutralise stronger opponents and achieved trophies but sacrificed our identity and once those managers left we were a shell of the club we'd been.

    The similarities to United now are striking. Three successive defensive managers in Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and only LVG truly values being dominant in possession. United now visit Anfield and defend for their lives with no belief they can get a better result than a draw.

    Right now you still retain the image of a big club. You have other advantages in that you're financially more powerful than we were and there won't be a new City or Chelsea pop up. However how long can you continue to sign Pogba, Zlatan remain 6th and still have that allure?

    Mourinho's style of management is very, very corrosive. There's a reason he has been sacked twice by Chelsea and once by Real. The Chelsea owner became frustrated at the awful, robotic football fans turned off from. Real grew tired of his destructive approach and it was damaging their brand.

    Football is entertainment as much as sport now. The Chelsea brand is shockingly bad. Unable to grow as expected their success through forcing world class players to defend isn't a financially successful one and only survives through billionaire owner willing to lose money. Real saw their brand take punishment after they became a nasty, petty side in search of short term success.

    How do you imagine it will be possible to maintain United's power and influence with such a corrosive manager at the helm? The thing about playing defensive football at a big club is short term it is easy. If you get top players to defend and counter it works but these top players end of revolting. Hazard and Fabregas didn't become footballers to track Swansea full backs back or watch out for runs from Leroy Fer.

    Barcelona would never dream of hiring Mourinho, Real sacked him, he was considered not up to the task twice at Chelsea and each time big players turned on him. Smaller players at smaller clubs like Porto, Inter they loved him as he gave them hope. A fighting chance by dragging the best down to their level and Chelsea were happy with this once also when they hadn't won anything.

    Barcelona, Real are both clubs too big for Mourinho's style, Chelsea outgrew him and now United wish to build on him. How long before your big players turn on him or you end up with a squad of compliant players who are not good enough for United but will make the sacrifices required?
    Coach I think you got it spot on.

    Man United fans seem to think they got the Mourinho of 12 years ago.

    12 years ago Mourinho was so charming he could get away with anything as both his players and the media lapped it all up. Remember Chelsea hadn't been champions since 1955 and when he said jump, the players and fans would say how high. He's at Man United where there is an ego bigger than his, the players unlike Chelsea players back then were serial winners. They won't jump when they are told. His job will to be to dismantle that side and sign players that were like the Chelsea players in 2004 and sing to his tune.

    He said stuff like "I am the special one, I am European Champion". Now the media and a lot of the players he's managed find him irritating. He gives owners arses a headache. It's got to the stage where owners will put up with his antics for long.

    He's already as petulant as he was last season at Chelsea and even more so than he was at Real Madrid. There is the pragmatic playing style that will irritate their fans. It was somehow accepted at Chelsea because they got results by being impossible to beat. At United overall, he's not getting the results. The table never lies regardless of Mourinhos nonsense. He says they are 'unlucky' and the reality is they should be contesting the top four.

    They are 6th and that's what their results and their performances show they are.

    You put Jurgen Klopp into the equation. He's like the Mourinho of 12 years ago. He's so charismatic that he can swear on television and nobody would bat an eyelid. He could run into the KOP stark naked and again nobody would care. The only thing that would irritate Liverpool fans regarding Klopp is if he got petulant and the performances and the results spiralled badly.

    Klopp has unified Liverpool in the same way Mourinho unified Chelsea 12 years ago. However the difference is Klopp is dynastic that he looks long term and even if he's successful will ensure that he himself and Liverpool do not get complacent.

    If Liverpool manage to get to the league cup final the team talk and I'm pretty sure of this will be based on Wembley and Basle of last season. He'll tell his boys to remember that hurt and get angry. He seems to get the best performances when he gets his boys angry. That may be the key to the long term future regardless of what the team wins. The emphasis will be on 0% complacency and 100% anger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    United build an institution under Ferguson and they became globally recognised for success and for entertaining attacking football. We achieved similar things (albeit more success in Europe) and then we made some short term successful appointments that brought trophies but eroded our culture and identity.

    Houllier and Benitez brought trophies, they spend hugely and gave some incredible memories. However over time we became a side that played small. We wanted to defend neutralise stronger opponents and achieved trophies but sacrificed our identity and once those managers left we were a shell of the club we'd been.

    The similarities to United now are striking. Three successive defensive managers in Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and only LVG truly values being dominant in possession. United now visit Anfield and defend for their lives with no belief they can get a better result than a draw.

    Right now you still retain the image of a big club. You have other advantages in that you're financially more powerful than we were and there won't be a new City or Chelsea pop up. However how long can you continue to sign Pogba, Zlatan remain 6th and still have that allure?

    Mourinho's style of management is very, very corrosive. There's a reason he has been sacked twice by Chelsea and once by Real. The Chelsea owner became frustrated at the awful, robotic football fans turned off from. Real grew tired of his destructive approach and it was damaging their brand.

    Football is entertainment as much as sport now. The Chelsea brand is shockingly bad. Unable to grow as expected their success through forcing world class players to defend isn't a financially successful one and only survives through billionaire owner willing to lose money. Real saw their brand take punishment after they became a nasty, petty side in search of short term success.

    How do you imagine it will be possible to maintain United's power and influence with such a corrosive manager at the helm? The thing about playing defensive football at a big club is short term it is easy. If you get top players to defend and counter it works but these top players end of revolting. Hazard and Fabregas didn't become footballers to track Swansea full backs back or watch out for runs from Leroy Fer.

    Barcelona would never dream of hiring Mourinho, Real sacked him, he was considered not up to the task twice at Chelsea and each time big players turned on him. Smaller players at smaller clubs like Porto, Inter they loved him as he gave them hope. A fighting chance by dragging the best down to their level and Chelsea were happy with this once also when they hadn't won anything.

    Barcelona, Real are both clubs too big for Mourinho's style, Chelsea outgrew him and now United wish to build on him. How long before your big players turn on him or you end up with a squad of compliant players who are not good enough for United but will make the sacrifices required?
    So long story short you think Mourinho isn't the right man for the job.

    I disagree. I think he's at the perfect club for him at this point in his career. Great managers evolve, Sir Alex did it with three completely different team over three eras, and I like what Jose has said about understanding the ethos of United and incorporating it into his own ideology. Sir Alex and Mourinho are good friends who respect each other so I can only see this benefiting Jose.

    What I have seen of United's play so far I am happy with the style of play and that's how I judge the manager. What he did at other clubs was how he got the job at United, not necessarily a blueprint on exactly how he will do the job now he's here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    So long story short you think Mourinho isn't the right man for the job.

    I disagree. I think he's at the perfect club for him at this point in his career. Great managers evolve, Sir Alex did it with three completely different team over three eras, and I like what Jose has said about understanding the ethos of United and incorporating it into his own ideology. Sir Alex and Mourinho are good friends who respect each other so I can only see this benefiting Jose.

    What I have seen of United's play so far I am happy with the style of play and that's how I judge the manager. What he did at other clubs was how he got the job at United, not necessarily a blueprint on exactly how he will do the job now he's here.
    Well that is delusion at it's finest.

    In the last say 40 of the last 47 years Manchester United have been a swashbuckling cavalier outfit. The only times they weren't were under Dave Sexton 1977-1981, David Moyes 2013-14 and Louis Van Gaal 2014-16.

    Mourinho is a pragmatist. That is the complete opposite to swashbuckling cavalier football which is of course "The Manchester United way". Sexton, Van Gaal and Moyes were all sacked for the same reason, the football was dreadful and they didn't get results.

    Mourinho is a results driven manager who at the moment is not getting results. 4 wins on the spin doesn't change much, they have progressed from 6th....to 6th.

    So if you think that the exciting football will ever return under Mourinho, you're more deluded than I thought.
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    To be fair, their performance has improved much recently and apart from the game at Anfield, they do try to take the game to the opponent. Zlatan is almost single-handedly carrying the goal-scoring burden so far but their team, particularly the midfield has stepped up in creating chances. The reliance on Carrick is a big question mark though as he is 35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Fan View Post
    To be fair, their performance has improved much recently and apart from the game at Anfield, they do try to take the game to the opponent. Zlatan is almost single-handedly carrying the goal-scoring burden so far but their team, particularly the midfield has stepped up in creating chances. The reliance on Carrick is a big question mark though as he is 35.

    The point is how have they recently progressed? They were 6th and are still 6th. You cannot play catch-up in this league against the top 4 sides. The general rule is that more often than not, if you aren't in the top 4 on New Years Eve, you won't be in May either. It's unlikely will you ever see another Liverpool be 13th on New Years Eve and crowned champions in May. This happened in the 1981/82 season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Fan View Post
    To be fair, their performance has improved much recently and apart from the game at Anfield, they do try to take the game to the opponent. Zlatan is almost single-handedly carrying the goal-scoring burden so far but their team, particularly the midfield has stepped up in creating chances. The reliance on Carrick is a big question mark though as he is 35.
    He's also 35.
    It's great that they are so reliant on ageing players and the likes of Rashford are getting held back.
    Classic Mourinho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coutinhosmagicfeet View Post
    Well that is delusion at it's finest.

    In the last say 40 of the last 47 years Manchester United have been a swashbuckling cavalier outfit. The only times they weren't were under Dave Sexton 1977-1981, David Moyes 2013-14 and Louis Van Gaal 2014-16.

    Mourinho is a pragmatist. That is the complete opposite to swashbuckling cavalier football which is of course "The Manchester United way". Sexton, Van Gaal and Moyes were all sacked for the same reason, the football was dreadful and they didn't get results.

    Mourinho is a results driven manager who at the moment is not getting results. 4 wins on the spin doesn't change much, they have progressed from 6th....to 6th.

    So if you think that the exciting football will ever return under Mourinho, you're more deluded than I thought.
    So you know what I think? I'm not enjoying watching my team play? You know best about what I think and I'm the deluded one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coutinhosmagicfeet View Post
    The point is how have they recently progressed? They were 6th and are still 6th. You cannot play catch-up in this league against the top 4 sides. The general rule is that more often than not, if you aren't in the top 4 on New Years Eve, you won't be in May either. It's unlikely will you ever see another Liverpool be 13th on New Years Eve and crowned champions in May. This happened in the 1981/82 season.
    Oh and 32 shots off target and 12 on. Boring football?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coutinhosmagicfeet View Post
    Well you just said you're happy with the Special One. Make you're mind up, if you really call that turgid garbage entertaining, you are deluded.
    What? Make my mind up? I've made myself perfectly clear.
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    Hopefully City can remain above United despite their blip tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Hopefully City can remain above United despite their blip tonight.
    They looked dire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    What? Make my mind up? I've made myself perfectly clear.
    All you've said is that you're happy with Mourinho, you're happy with the football, yet you're not happy with the football. You're the one that's confused and you've not made yourself clear.

    As for suggesting he's doing well...More delusion.

    10 wins out of 19 is obviously not good enough.

    Having a goal difference of 8 is clearly not good enough.

    Having scored 20 goals LESS than Liverpool is obviously not good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coutinhosmagicfeet View Post
    All you've said is that you're happy with Mourinho, you're happy with the football, yet you're not happy with the football. You're the one that's confused and you've not made yourself clear.

    As for suggesting he's doing well...More delusion.

    10 wins out of 19 is obviously not good enough.

    Having a goal difference of 8 is clearly not good enough.

    Having scored 20 goals LESS than Liverpool is obviously not good enough.
    Where have I said I'm not happy with the football. Let me make myself clear for you , I am happy with Jose and our football.

    Most United fans are happy with our attacking play, as you can see again today with another attacking display. You obviously haven't watched us so why pass judgement?

    Edit*BT Sports: After your match both your ex players are saying the same as what I'm trying to explain to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    Where have I said I'm not happy with the football. Let me make myself clear for you , I am happy with Jose and our football.

    Most United fans are happy with our attacking play, as you can see again today with another attacking display. You obviously haven't watched us so why pass judgement?

    Edit*BT Sports: After your match both your ex players are saying the same as what I'm trying to explain to you.
    Not much attacking when you came top Anfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    Oh and 32 shots off target and 12 on. Boring football?
    Another couple of dodgy decisions go the Mancs way
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    Quote Originally Posted by raybarnes View Post
    Oh how the mighty have fallen
    Fighting for a place in the top 4
    ENJOY

    Yet there you are quoting on another thread that you happily take a draw at as you say @ Cold Trafford later this month
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    Where have I said I'm not happy with the football. Let me make myself clear for you , I am happy with Jose and our football.

    Most United fans are happy with our attacking play, as you can see again today with another attacking display. You obviously haven't watched us so why pass judgement?

    Edit*BT Sports: After your match both your ex players are saying the same as what I'm trying to explain to you.
    Did you rise from the dead or something .?
    You were on the missing persons list from august to November then after
    a few gritty performances Houdini announces himself to us .

    Here's the score mate.
    You every bit as likely to get walloped in your own back yard by Liverpool
    as you are nicking a home victory.
    Come out and meet fire with fire and you'll will be anialted.
    What does mourinho do ?
    Tell me what's the master plan ?
    Lumping it to Ibra for the knockdown to mata or pogba?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilYouKnow View Post
    Where have I said I'm not happy with the football. Let me make myself clear for you , I am happy with Jose and our football.

    Most United fans are happy with our attacking play, as you can see again today with another attacking display. You obviously haven't watched us so why pass judgement?

    Edit*BT Sports: After your match both your ex players are saying the same as what I'm trying to explain to you.

    Good for you, mate. Support your club, as you should!

    Just one thing though... could you slip Jose some 'happy' pills, or something? He's such a miserable git at times. Well, most of the time, it seems.




    Good luck with your coming battle to achieve 5th place by the end of the season, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Good for you, mate. Support your club, as you should!

    Just one thing though... could you slip Jose some 'happy' pills, or something? He's such a miserable git at times. Well, most of the time, it seems.




    Good luck with your coming battle to achieve 5th place by the end of the season, by the way.
    Definitely an amazing effort from Jose to lift the likes of Pogba and Zlatan out of the midtable battle with West Brom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liverpool19734 View Post
    Definitely an amazing effort from Jose to lift the likes of Pogba and Zlatan out of the midtable battle with West Brom.
    I believe a section of the crowd at Old Trafford is singing that delightful ditty from the 60s..

    'Do you know the way to sack Jose?
    I've been away so long
    I may go wrong and lose my way
    Do you know the way to sack Jose?
    I'm going back to find some peace of mind without Jose.
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