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    Quote Originally Posted by Klopphopper View Post
    Another big game and another fine performance by Gini in a big game. The Echo gave him an 8 with the man of match tag and he deserved it. I note that he has had some fine games in the big matches, including at Stamford Bridge, against Everton and finally against Manchester City. Yet some of the vitriol I have read against him on this board has been staggering. I'm the first to admit that he has been quiet in some games but people forget that under Klopp he is predominantly playing a role he has rarely played. It will take a full season for him to completely find his feet. However, I can see him being a critical player in this team in 18 months time and in all fairness has had a solid start to his Liverpool career. I don't know why he generates so much discussion and rancour - even Fowi dislikes him - but I for one feel he deserves much better treatment. A midfield of him, Hendo and Lallana still our best going forward.
    I thought Gini was very poor apart from his goal papering over the cracks.

    Also, there is already a lengthy Gini thread.
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    i like him
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    Very undervalued player!
    Oh don't start waxing lyrical because he popped up with a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Perhaps you should lighten up, seemed a tongue in cheek joke
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    I must have brought back memories
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnyfnar View Post
    He's not a terrible player, and his work-rate is particularly impressive, almost box to box at times (not often). However, his recent form as been a big contributing factor to our lack of goals. It's a constant thing but, the easiest example, is when passing the ball to Clyne when he makes runs down the right. Clyne has to stop and collect the ball every single time. Our recent success has been built on quick flowing attacks. Gini is doing the opposite at present.
    This is the thing that annoys me most about him.

    About 90% of his passes are either under hit, or are played behind the intended target.

    And these aren't even difficult passes. It's so sloppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Cutlers-Thumb View Post
    This is the thing that annoys me most about him.

    About 90% of his passes are either under hit, or are played behind the intended target.

    And these aren't even difficult passes. It's so sloppy.

    His passing was sloppy and woeful last night.

    Take away his goal and he was a 4/5 out of 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggz View Post
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    I must have brought back memories
    The bad memories, the echoes of yesteryear shouting "Pick me, pick me," until being the only one left, stood alone as the 'no other choice..choice.'

    Then the whispers, "Oh FFS, do I have to have him. Put him in goals then."

    "Noo, we lost by eight last time, just tell him to run around over there," said the team captain pointing at the road
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggz View Post
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    I must have brought back memories
    I'll have you know I was never last.

    More like 2nd to last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DahoudAreYou View Post
    I'll have you know I was never last.

    More like 2nd to last.
    I bet you were first on Rugby team hey fatty
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post


    In all seriousness, he's been ok, those who say he offers literally nothing are of course talking absolute ****, its simply not possible and the living evidence is he can offer us control in games and is scoring the odd goal.

    He needs to do more of course, without doubt, but in the all or nothing hipsters world this equals 'he offers nothing.'

    Given time, he'll offer more I'm sure and is here for the longer haul it would seem
    to say he offers nothing is an exaggeration or figure of speech if you like. Just like when you said that player or the other have been a passenger or a ghost in a game.

    He doesn't have outstanding qualities as a midfielder, he does the basics decently and doesn't make too many mistakes but then there could be another 20-30 players that could do exactly the same job as he does.
    He is not a great midfielder, he has never been and to say he is integral in the way we play is actually true but no just in a positive way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganymede View Post
    I thought Gini was very poor apart from his goal papering over the cracks.

    Also, there is already a lengthy Gini thread.
    So we can have threads about rival teams players to **** over but cant compliment one our own players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganymede View Post
    I thought Gini was very poor apart from his goal papering over the cracks.

    Also, there is already a lengthy Gini thread.
    Gany one of these days I'm going to start a thread that you enjoy. I'm working on it.
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    I personally thought he should have been the player to advance to the front 3 rather than Lalana, when Mane needed replacing I mean
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    Cans been getting more grief and scored far more this season
    He was better last night but needs to keep improving and keep scoring
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    I literally don't know what to make of him.

    Sometimes he has games where you think he's an intelligent footballer that keeps things ticking over for us,
    while also being able to score and create assists.

    He can look physical in games and is fit to get from box to box.

    Then in other games, he's practically invisible and contributes nothing other than the odd sideways 5 yard pass.

    I don't know if it's his limitations, the midfield around him, or the general poor play from us over the last few months
    that has led me to being underwhelmed by his performances.

    Having read what I've just typed I don't know if I just described Gini or Emre!!!

    Maybe the midfield trio of Gini, Emre and Hendo is so underwhelming creatively, that I'm lumping them all in together and wishing
    we had more of a defined ACM and DM.

    What I am positive about is that the 3 of these players play the most sideways passes I've ever seen in a Liverpool team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagaante View Post
    Cans been getting more grief and scored far more this season
    He was better last night but needs to keep improving and keep scoring
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagaante View Post
    Cans been getting more grief and scored far more this season
    He was better last night but needs to keep improving and keep scoring
    Its not just to do with goals its to do with general play and Can has been really bad, there was a lot of promise there but it hasn't materialised and he's had enough time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defo-skitso View Post
    Its not just to do with goals its to do with general play and Can has been really bad, there was a lot of promise there but it hasn't materialised and he's had enough time.
    He's a bit of a mystery to us all at the moment.

    Now here 2 years, and at this stage of his development I expect more from him in games.

    I just don't see/understand the role and position he's supposed to play.

    No doubt he can make a tackle, but doesn't do it often enough.

    He can beat a player, but most times loses the ball after trying a dribble too far.

    He can score goals, but doesn't shoot or get in the box nearly enough.

    So, if he's not doing enough offensively, or defensively, how can he justify his selection?

    Two years ago I thought he was going to be our DM for years to come, now I don't know if we should sell him, or keep him as a squad player.

    Is this all on Can or is Klopp using him wrong?

    I really can't work it out, but we have 3 midfield players in Can, Winij and Hendo, that all do nearly the same thing when they get the ball
    and that frustrates the hell out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverdinner View Post
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    I don't think it needs to be explained though, it is pretty obvious what he meant. It is not like I am decoding a passage from Lord Byron or anything like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    The bad memories, the echoes of yesteryear shouting "Pick me, pick me," until being the only one left, stood alone as the 'no other choice..choice.'

    Then the whispers, "Oh FFS, do I have to have him. Put him in goals then."

    "Noo, we lost by eight last time, just tell him to run around over there," said the team captain pointing at the road
    dont look back in anger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goalrush09 View Post
    I literally don't know what to make of him.

    Sometimes he has games where you think he's an intelligent footballer that keeps things ticking over for us,
    while also being able to score and create assists.

    He can look physical in games and is fit to get from box to box.

    Then in other games, he's practically invisible and contributes nothing other than the odd sideways 5 yard pass.

    I don't know if it's his limitations, the midfield around him, or the general poor play from us over the last few months
    that has led me to being underwhelmed by his performances.

    Having read what I've just typed I don't know if I just described Gini or Emre!!!

    Maybe the midfield trio of Gini, Emre and Hendo is so underwhelming creatively, that I'm lumping them all in together and wishing
    we had more of a defined ACM and DM.

    What I am positive about is that the 3 of these players play the most sideways passes I've ever seen in a Liverpool team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganymede View Post
    Oh don't start waxing lyrical because he popped up with a goal.

    Ive liked Wijnaldum since he was at Psv, so yesterday's goal has nothing to do with my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    to say he offers nothing is an exaggeration or figure of speech if you like. Just like when you said that player or the other have been a passenger or a ghost in a game.

    He doesn't have outstanding qualities as a midfielder, he does the basics decently and doesn't make too many mistakes but then there could be another 20-30 players that could do exactly the same job as he does.
    He is not a great midfielder, he has never been and to say he is integral in the way we play is actually true but no just in a positive way.
    No its beyond figure of speech as that is what a few posters only ever say about the player, if you use the term 'he literally adds nothing,' then to me use of the word literally means....well literal!

    This needs to go into grind my gears thread, people misusing 'literally.'

    I do think he is far more than that, when we were on song he was a strong controlling player both with and without the ball, yes he could and should be more dynamic and given time I hope he will be but he's not just a passenger who adds nothing either and what he can give is for me is quite clear.

    Like a few though in our limited midfield, we need more quality in there to push them, we need more quality options which raises most players game as a result

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    Games like last night, I like Winaldju in the team....he seems to do well against the bigger clubs...I assume bc they play football against us.

    I do get annoyed with him when I feel we need a more creative player, but a decent squad player. If he can add more goals to his game, I would be happy. At least he had a strong shot on tgt last night
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    He would get more recognition if:

    i) He wasn't playing alongside another player offering similar attributes in Henderson;

    ii) He had Lallana back as the third midfielder instead of Can so we actually had some flair in that midfield. The problem is Can, Hendo and Wijnaldum together just sort of makes you feel depressed before a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Papa View Post
    He would get more recognition if:

    i) He wasn't playing alongside another player offering similar attributes in Henderson;

    ii) He had Lallana back as the third midfielder instead of Can so we actually had some flair in that midfield. The problem is Can, Hendo and Wijnaldum together just sort of makes you feel depressed before a game.

    He would also have gotten more recognition if his attempts at goal weren't so weak at times and bagged a few of them...which were fairly easy chances.

    Regardless, decent first season so far.
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    We all give rival players stick especially the ones we consider average, I bet if they played for us they would have fans who understood their role and thought they were great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    We all give rival players stick especially the ones we consider average, I bet if they played for us they would have fans who understood their role and thought they were great
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    He's not done enough so far but goals in games like Man City and Chelsea will help, needs to start arriving in the box more and finishing.
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