Huddersfield did Preston over, that helps them nicely, but silly Kiwi Chris Wood goes and gets a point for Leeds off Newcastle. Mixed feelings about that one, I must admit.
I'll pre-empt any answer(s) that involved part of my answer to them (schmathmatically possible) because it is often said until that then nothing is certain, except it never extends beyond discussion ie possible remains theoretical, never actualised
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Brighton the 48th team to play in the Premier League
Does this rank as more impressive than Rodders' SPL triumph? I can see pros and cons, difficulty of taking a side up with the standard higher than in a one donkey race, but then not walking it which is hardly surprising. Didn't do much in either cup but won 31 out of 48 games this season so nay bad, nay bad.
But he's done the hard yakka with Brighton, as you say. Good for him.
If he gets fired again, at least the Birmingham job's already taken..... for a while.
15/16 : Brighton, Derby, Sheff Wed (Ipswich, Cardiff, Brentford)
14/15 : Brentford, Ipswich, Boro* (Wolves, Derby, Blackburn)
13/14 : Derby, Wigan, Brighton (Reading, Blackburn, Ipswich)
12/13 : Watford, Brighton, Leicester (Bolton, Notts Forest, Charlton)
*promoted the next season
Ipswich were there or thereabouts for three seasons, now nowhere. Reading have resurfaced, Derby fallen away a little, but notice that not many have been there or there abouts for three seasons in a row. And are we to argue that Brighton should be up there compared to say Leeds, Derby, Wolves, Birmingham, Norwich, Ipswich, Notts Forest, Boro (in the past) not to mention a few other clubs....?
Let's make no bones about it, there are SEVENTEEN clubs in the Championship who've played in the Premier League, granted some like Barnsley and Cardiff haven't spent too many seasons in the top flight so not all are better placed, sized etc to be ahead of Brighton in the promotion pecking order, but then you can also argue other clubs have much stronger cases plus some who have also not played in the Premier League are capable of going up like Bournemouth did, and indeed some of those among the seventeen will have gone up "against the odds". Huddersfield aren't exactly what you might consider the biggest or stronger contenders, bagged themselves some key loans and up they are.
So bit harsh to use what is no knockable thing, sustaining a regular promotion bid without obvious massive financial advantage, although never easy to tell with so many "undisclosed" fees bandied about like they've something to hide (they including everyone) unless you know something very different. Besides I'd think they'd be massively criticised if they had spent huge amounts and not gone up, with comments about the spending even when they do.....
Not like some of the more obvious clubs taken over like Hull, Cardiff, QPR (although not sure how well they used it) etc I believe.
Maybe Yorke will complain his headline has been usurped by the death of Ehiogu, although he can't complain about it being someone not black dying.
Anyhoo, for fear of once again being identified as a 'serial offender' for off-topic meanderings, I must say that I for one welcome Mr Hughton and his gallant team to the Premier League.
I'm sure that their elevation from the Championship will only serve to encourage all the reprobates and riff-raff from the Stygian gloom of the lower reaches of the leagues to attempt the same.
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Be like me saying "traffic was bad" when arriving late for work, I walk so it didn't cause me to be late. That there are only two black managers in English football could be racism or more likely could be that they (according to Yorke himself) don't bother getting qualified, and like Yorke himself may have zero experience and lack the skill sets. Who knows what happens at any given stage of this process, applications are vetted and suitable candidates selected
And who knows how many applicants there are of any given race, I could equally say there are ZERO female managers, or indeed ZERO rabbits in charge at football clubs. As for the other stat I see a lot, about the proportions of black players playing to black managers managing, it isn't exactly the same skill, nor do they stray from the MOTD sofa or final score, or other media bolt holes, and one might ask Dwight 2 key questions - what has he been doing since he retired and why does he ASSUME he should get an interview for a job when his CV looks to lack anything like relevant experience, second team or first team coaching etc
So we're presented with minimal worthwhile information, just a few stats that are lacking any substantial underlying information like applicant figures and breakdowns, skills and quals of respective sets of white and non white candidates. If he can present his experience and quals compared to any manager who got ANY job that he might covet and it looks even remotely comparable then let's listen to his claim. Oh and if there is this racism that is regularly implied, why do clubs employ black footballers (because they're good enough) and not black managers/staff (maybe they're not good enough.......?) ........ ?
If any were presented to go to court they'd be thrown out without a lot more evidence than presented, perhaps why we hear regular bleating and nothing more.
Be interesting to see how Chris Hughton or his namesake mr Hughson get on. He's done plenty enough to show he's good enough for upper end of Championship and lower end of Premier League, hopefully next season he'll show good enough for midtable Premier League. Sadly we'll be hearing plenty from palace fans with their rivalry
The real or imagined discrimination factor in football deserves its own fully argumentative thread, probably.
Thank you for spotting my deliberate mistake for the day.
Anyway swiftly back on topic, Mr Hughson didn't fare too well last night in trying to secure the Championship title. 2 own goals by their keeper at Norwich, not an easy place to go and one of those clubs one might fairly say should be doing better perhaps. Not sure even if they don't finish champions it will detract from their season's efforts or achievements.
I do wonder if we'll have a thread looking at who we might pinch from relegated or promoted sides as is quite often the case (thread not the doing of)
Do the courses, get your badges, mate… in essence, prove that you are worthy of the responsibility.
Two own goals like that is an unfortunate happenstance indeed.
As for the imminent thread… there will be discussions, and exchanges of views.
Brighton have done remarkably well. They didn't posess the resources that the odds on favourites Newcastle had. They've managed to overtake them. Newcastle are currently a championship team with premier league resources. They are also managed by a La Liga and Champions League winner. What Chris Hughton has done and this is impressive is defy the odds. They earned their place on merit. If Brighton win the title, Hughton should recieve all the accolades he deserves.
Newcastle will and I'm 99.99% certain of this be promoted on Monday should they beat Preston. The gap between them and 3rd is too big to stop them.
Result : bit of a surprise defeat at Burton (now 18th)
Fixtures : Norwich 8th (h), Wigan 23rd (a)
Outlook : need 3 points from 6 just to go level with Fulham but with vastly inferior GD. Would need all 6 points to catch anyone else given you can't get 5 out of 6. They're clinging on to feint hopes now. Wigan equally are clinging on to feint hopes of survival and may be down by the time Leeds visit, facing a trip to Reading who'll want a draw just to be sure.
Result : massive win at Huddersfield
Fixtures : Brentford 9th (h), Sheff Wed 4th (a)
Outlook : will want a win at home to Brentford which should see off any Leeds threat. Was surprised they are top scorers in the league and Norwich are second top scorers, Fulham drawing too many otherwise they'd be contenders for automatic promotion, Norwich shipping way too many - more even than Wigan, Blackburn and Birmingham who are trying to avoid relegation and two of whom could go down. In fact only Notts Forest and Rotherham have conceded more than Norwich.
Result : massive defeat at home to Fulham
Fixtures : Wolves 15th (a), Birmingham 21st (a), Cardiff 12th (h)
Outlook : looked to be pushing for automatic promotion but have lost FIVE of their last 10 league games and picked up just 4 points out of the last 12 possible. Their games in hand are now no longer looking to catch the top two but keep at bay the sides in and around them to make sure of a play-off place. They are the only side could theoretically come mathematically catch Newcastle, discounting miracle GD turnarounds.
They'll be hoping Birmingham win today at villa, and that Wolves are not up for it on Tuesday. They'll want 2 draws or a win to be absolutely sure Leeds can't catch them, they'll have Cardiff at home in reserve should they lose their away games.
Result : put away Derby at home, they and Fulham the only pair of the top 7 to win so far this weekend.
Fixtures : Ipswich 16th (a), Fulham 6th (h)
Outlook : Decent enough GD but only much of an advantage if any over Reading and Huddersfield so will be wanting to secure a play-off place via points. 2-3 points will do it, they won't want to rely on getting something off Fulham on the final day, not after their result against Huddersfield so will be keen to win at Ipswich - a draw might mean Leeds can only equal their points, but with 2 wins and the owls' GD staying the same then said wins would push their GD above that of the owls so 2 draws would be needed minimum.
Result : lost in the forest, but pulled back well from 0-3 down to lose 2-3
Fixtures : Wigan 23rd (h), Burton 18th (a)
Outlook : only way they won't make the play-offs is for Leeds to win both their games and Reading get no points at all so a point at home to Wigan would do it. Wigan need to win their remaining games to have a hope of catching Birmingham, the only side outside the relegation zone they can catch, so should put up a tough fight. Reading could in theory catch Newcastle, but let's get real, to overturn a 36 goal difference would need wins and losses to go in their favour by large margins of approaching 8-10 goals a game given they have 2-3 games left respectively - and by the time Newcastle have next played that miracle may have been trumped.
So in a nutshell, Leeds need 4-6 points and results to go their way. To catch Fulham is their best hope, I'd suggest they have about a 1 in 10 chance given Fulham only need a point to force Leeds to win both their games to catch any of the sides in the play-offs at present.
Realism suggests the Championship top 7 are as they will remain (in terms of automatic and play-off places) with maybe some jockeying among the play-off teams.
Could argue big day at the bottom yesterday.
20th. Sunderland already look down without having played yesterday, now 12 points from 'safety' with a maximum 18 available to them IF they could somehow win as many in their last 6 games as they have in the previous 32
19th. Middlesboro lost heavily at Bournemouth, conceded as many goals as we did there, and are only 3 points better off than Sunderland with a game less so their prospects are bleak.
18th. Swansea got themselves 3 points at home to Stoke, have a chance of catching Hull who are 2 points better off but -2 GD worse off. Thereafter they have slim chances of catching palace (4 points clear with 2 games in hand and much better GD) or Bumley (5 points clear, game in hand and better GD)
17th. Hull defied refereeing and won at home to Watford. They have a little wider scope to catch teams above still, palace 2 points, 2 games and better GD ahead of them but have some tough games in hand, Bumley 3 points ahead, game in hand and better GD, with other teams above those two who have a stronger position.
Palace may look decently placed, and have defied what I've said before about tough fixtures, but to keep winning tough fixtures takes some doing.
Man City (a)
Man Utd (a)
Feasible they could lose at least 3-4 of those games, especially those away unless they pull off a repeat of their win at Stamford Bridge. They may well put away Bumley and Hull at home, but I'm sure they'd rather have easier fixtures than those. It will be firmly in their mind they could lose both their next two games, both before any of the sides other than the bottom two play and a table something like the below might not look so comfortable with two tough away days still to come :
15. Burnley P34 PTS 36 (GD -16)
16. C Palace P34 PTS 35 (GD -13)
17. Hull P34 PTS 33 (GD -31)
18. Swansea P34 PTS 31 (GD -29)
19. Middlesboro P34 PTS 27 (GD -19)
20. Sunderland P33 PTS 21 (GD -33)
Only 3 and 5 points respectively ahead of Hull and Swansea with the three sides having fixtures :
C Palace : Burnley (h), Man City (a), Hull (h), Man Utd (a)
Hull : Southampton (a), Sunderland (h), C Palace (a), Tottenham (h)
Swansea : Man Utd (a), Everton (h), Sunderland (a), WBA (H)
Cancel out one fixture each if you like with say Man Utd (a) vs Tottenham (h), although Hull may well fancy winning their last three if things go well and spudz may not even have anything to play for. Swansea might not expect anything from OT, maybe a point , but the rest they must fancy their chances of 2-3 wins. Unless they do pick up 10 points I think Swansea will still struggle to catch palace, but will still fancy their last three vs those of Hull and so catching them
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