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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    One could argue that it is not just limited to the Washington beltway. It is happening around the world whether it is the champagne socialists, the metropolitan elite or mainstream political parties who believe the electorate are either extremists, are not voicing concerns of the silent majority or don't just get the direction of the policies.

    As we have seen in various nations there tends to be a backlash that surprises the political elite
    Its definitely not just in the USA where this is occurring. The lower and middle classes across the western world have been completely squeezed for the last 40 years and all politicians, everywhere (as well as a lot of the boomer generation, for that matter) either downplay it or pretend it isn't happening at all.

    What they have offered is a rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic. The "extremes" we are seeing are only going to get worse until the problem is sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    I guess Trump isn't a fan of Wikileaks anymore.
    Makes sense. No use to him anymore and he can only be the next victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    I guess Trump isn't a fan of Wikileaks anymore.
    I'm surprised they haven't changed the rules to go back after Chelsea Manning. Obama started the biggest attack on whistleblowers we have seen and Trump will take it to a new level. Unless what they leak favours him, of course, then its beautiful, the best leak ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Ah, yes. The wicked anglo-American zionists. I'll leave you to have fun with Coach then. That's right up his alley. And if you really want to make a friend, bring up Obama's dead ma. He'll love that.
    This type of response is one where you dismiss, then seek to discredit using humour and deflect by suggesting Obama's dead mother is relevant. I never said she was. I said microfinance was significant. She pioneered the delivery of microfinance systems through the U.S government and World Bank with Peter Geithner.

    If two people create a system of debt and control and when that system collapses the global economy the two people who come in to regulate after are their two children I would suggest at least that's at least worthy of note if only for how far power falls from the tree..

    There are many examples. For example Council on Foreign Relations they remain no matter which President is in power. They're a large part of foreign policy. The Project for the New American Century was created to promote American global domination. Kristol and Kagan developed and had the usual Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz faces.

    Now Obama came in and changed it. He authorised the new Foreign Policy Initiative to advise him. All change of course except Kristol and Kagan ran this also. They brought in Dan Senor from (Council of Foreign Relations) and they brought in Eric Edelman (who works for Cheney and has done since since 2001 as part of his staff) so it is the same group.

    U.S Foreign Policy has not changed in decades. It doesn't matter which president comes in or goes out. That clearly indicates the the President does not control FP. That is supported by the evidence the bodies that dictate Foreign Policy don't change when the President changes. The Council of Foreign Relations is non partisan. That means it doesn't care which party you are.

    Now Alan Greenspan. His position for decades would be U.S economic interests would be best served by labour instability. That means reducing working conditions, remove protections for workers, make them fear for their jobs and generally give them a hard time so through fear they work harder for less.

    What is amazing is that both parties accepted it. Just like Foreign Policy, Economic Policy is decided by people and bodies that never change. The Federal Reserve is a private company yet it dictates what happens in the US economy. If it is Yellen, Bernanke or Greenspan they tell the President what to do not the other way around. When the President needs funds he goes cap in hand to them as they control US money supply.

    Would it surprise you know that Greenspan also held positions at HM Treasury (UK) and Deutsche Bank (Germany) as well as the Federal Reserve? I have pinpointed Greenspan's 'labour instability' programme because it has been socially the most significant economic policy as it has had severe and telling impacts upon American life.

    Democrat Labour Policy

    This was universally supported by both parties and is to this day. Obama/Clinton had a headline position of 'minimum wage' which sounds great. However through NAFTA and the proposed TPP they encouraged companies to move abroad, move jobs abroad but continue to trade with US with same freedoms. With a minimum wage but fewer jobs and high unemployment corporations could be short of labour but not if you allow illegal immigration to continue unfettered and immigrants will supply cheap labour, work in worse conditions for bigger profits.

    The outcome. Labour instability.

    Republican Labour Policy


    The Republicans had a different position. They wanted to reduce taxes on corporations within the U.S, reduce workers rights, attack education so large parts of the population would simply fall into service industry with low pay and poor conditions to create a poorly educated, low wage workforce. When Trump says he loves the poorly educated, you better believe he does but for different reasons.

    Outcome is labour instability, just like Democrats and just as Greenspan told them both.

    Now Greenspan says labour instability, both parties accept and both parties create a slightly different way to achieve the same thing. So we have the same economic policies at play regardless of which party is in power and you still don't think there is 3rd ruling party?

    When Clinton needed assistance he turned to Larry Summers. The Working Group on Financial Markets was created by Reagan. Clinton loved it. Summers, along with U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman Arthur Levitt, Fed Chairman Greenspan, and Secretary Rubin, torpedoed an effort to regulate the derivatives that many blame for bringing the financial market down in Fall 2008.

    Bill Clinton signed Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act and removed protection which would have stopped the 2008 Financial Crisis. This was done on the request of Summers, Greenspan, Bernanke (all members of the 3rd party).

    So now you have Ann Dunham, Peter Geithner pioneering microfinance in Asia. Bill Clinton removed protections that would stop microfinance systems like the one they created for Asia on the advice of Greenspan, Summers and Bernanke. Greenspan told them to create labour instability and Clinton, Obama, Bush, Bush, Reagan they all did what they were told.

    Now given US economic and foreign policy hasn't changed for decades. The same people run the Federal Reserve, control economic strategy, control Foreign Policy and they remain no matter who comes in or leaves as President that leaves just two possibilities.

    Those two possibilities are that a) both Democrats and Republicans are in fact in collusion and working together to destroy the US labour force whilst using their military or b) There is a 3rd party in control that passes orders directly to the White House.

    The first is unlikely and there is little evidence of party collusion and that would be difficult to keep quiet given how politically motivated some people are in each party. Is there evidence of a 3rd party in existence? Now just evidence but conclusive evidence.

    There have been think tanks, government bodies operating outside of government that remain no matter who is president. It is in effect a shadow government and it's not hidden. Council on Foreign Relations, Project for the New American Century, Federal Reserve, Group of Thirty amongst others.

    These institutions remain, the same people remain, they control the economy, foreign policy and that is supported by the fact economic and foreign policy has not changed no matter which President has come in.

    That brings us to Donald Trump. Donald Trump used to be a Democrat. Now he's a Republican President. Without consent he brought Jared Kuschner into White House affairs. This is the exact same system of shadow government through 'advisers'. The United States now has an ex Democrat working as a Republican President having strategy formed by a Democrat without clearance. Don't you find that incredible?

    Before you get excited and start claiming conspiracy theories there is nothing of the sort here. US policy is there to see. Who advises the President is there to see. The same people advise each President and each President does the same things.

    Social policy there is no sign of 3rd party interference. For economic and foreign policy there is huge amounts of evidence that a 3rd party is in control. Now I would ask that as an adult if you wish to you can debate this with me. However debate in the sense reasonable, articulated and well supported.

    If you have the position that there is no 3rd party controlling US Foreign Policy and Economic Policy then respond with your position, lay out your theory, provide evidence to support your position.

    Why Do People Instantly Reject Ideas Without Consideration?

    When you reject an idea without logical consideration or the ability to counter that then ask yourself why your instinctive reaction is to reject. Somebody embedded that instinct in you. Is it the years of believing you are free, being told the Democrats are the saviours, Obama is a hero etc........................

    Politics Is The New Religion

    You see one part of society has been manufactured is the one that has absconded from religion. Religion always has been a system of control. Indoctrinated rituals repeated to magnify importance, threats of punishment for not following and a set of rules that give a path to righteousness. When you remove that you can replace it. Celebrities can be shown as things of worship, athletes but the most powerful is money and politics.

    Politics gives you that exact same structure as religion. The United States is the world saviour and protector. It is on a path of righteousness. Bring democracy. Bring peace, stability. If you don't follow this path of Democratic righteousness those evil Republicans will punish you. The racist white man is to blame, saviour Obama. All hail and that image is why Democratic supporters cannot accept the truth. It's like me telling a Christian there is no evidence of God.

    The amazing thing is the Republicans are indoctrinated in the same way. The see the 'liberal' devils allowing immigration, destroying morality, they believe liberals actively try and destroy Christianity. So entrenched are both sides in this system not only do they believe the other is the enemy when an outsider (like myself) can given objective view without the conditioning the U.S population have gone through and point out that actually both sides deploy the same policies and in fact those policies come from a 3rd party which isn't even hidden it has official branches both sides REJECT THAT POSSIBILITY. That rejection is irrational and illogical because it is instant. They don't investigate or consider. Whenever you have an instant reaction of dismissal that is achieved through conditioning.

    When you have an inbuilt religious belief, even opposites, when I suggest a 3rd party is the cause both religious groups attack the truth. Just ask yourself if that was designed by accident. A 3rd Party clearly remains regardless of President, a 3rd party instructs each President on Foreign Policy and Economic Policy. U.S economic and foreign policy hasn't changed in decades. As soon as I mention a 3rd party so entrenched in their ideology that both Republicans and Democrats reject the idea their religion isn't real.

    I understand it because I understand the power of indoctrination. Given you work for the state I understand your unwillingness to even look at the evidence. Can you counter my position intellectually?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredb_7 View Post
    Matt Taibbi is always pretty good, a really interesting piece on the new book Shattered, about the Clinton campaign...

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...aign=042017_16

    Here it is, if you can't click links
    Clinton was a horrible candidate. Hope she keeps well away from the spotlight in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Clinton was a horrible candidate. Hope she keeps well away from the spotlight in 2020.
    Yep, and it wont be long until her shill of a daughter starts staking a claim. The family craves power.

    The DNC is a horrible party. At the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredb_7 View Post
    Yep, and it wont be long until her shill of a daughter starts staking a claim. The family craves power.

    The DNC is a horrible party. At the moment.
    Chelsea Clinton. The only mammal on the planet less charismatic than Hillary Clinton.

    My only hope for the Democrats is that we'll see a surge of first-time, young(ish) candidates in 2018 and 2020. Out of the ones currently in Congress, I can count the ones worth a damn on my fingers. They also need a platform that's more that just "We are anti-Trump". That won't cut it. They need to start reaching out to communities and making a difference in people's lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Chelsea Clinton. The only mammal on the planet less charismatic than Hillary Clinton.

    My only hope for the Democrats is that we'll see a surge of first-time, young(ish) candidates in 2018 and 2020. Out of the ones currently in Congress, I can count the ones worth a damn on my fingers. They also need a platform that's more that just "We are anti-Trump". That won't cut it. They need to start reaching out to communities and making a difference in people's lives.
    Chelsea Clinton. Is that Bills daughter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    If two people create a system of debt and control and when that system collapses the global economy the two people who come in to regulate after are their two children I would suggest at least that's at least worthy of note if only for how far power falls from the tree..
    This is not true, you are conflating microfinance and subprime mortgages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonFans View Post
    This is not true, you are conflating microfinance and subprime mortgages.
    I'll go through this as slowly as I can so you follow. What is a mortgage? A mortgage is credit, finance a loan. The only real difference being for a home. There are legal differentials for all times of loans but essentially it is credit for a home.

    With me so far? So in Asia there was a pioneering system of microfinance. That just means finance/credit/loans for business. The scam was simple. Through corporations such as Ford Foundation, banking organisations like the World Bank they gave loans to 'sub prime' Asian families. They gave them a dream of owning their own 'business' and economic prosperity.

    The funds were delivered not directly through World Bank but through capitalisation from the local and national banks. When the population couldn't pat back the banks were in trouble. The government stepped in to recapitalise the banks and had to borrow money from the World Bank and those loans came with conditions. These conditions were conditions to keep the living conditions and the economy down.

    Still with me?

    In the US there was a system introduced (credit/loans/finance) for every American to buy their own home. Now I 100% understand there is a difference between purchasing and home and starting a business but that's the sales pitch and the least important part of the scam. The Federal Reserve issued the money through local and national banks. These banks (just like the Asian banks) were with incentives to give loans to anybody (sub prime) with commissions.

    The banks were capitalised and sub prime loans were made. When the sub prime loans defaulted and could not be repaid just like the Asian Banks the government stepped in. The U.S government recapitalised the banks. The money they borrowed to bail out the banks from the Fed also came with unknown conditions attached.

    The Asian people lost their homes and their land. The American people lost their homes and land. Both had personal debt and public debt increased.

    It was the same scam the only difference was the one was sold a dream of a business for economic prosperity and the other a home.
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    Jeez. Every political thread is filled with the same nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHIL. View Post
    Jeez. Every political thread is filled with the same nonsense.
    Politics for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHIL. View Post
    Jeez. Every political thread is filled with the same nonsense.
    Perhaps if when people have opinions and others don't even think and just spout 'nonsense' with no evidence to support a counter argument people defend their opinions against mockery, labels of nonsense?

    I mean i could say that very political thread is full of the same useless posts exclaiming nonsense without offering opinion. I could but I wont.
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    Ted Nugent's visit to the White House has got to be the first time a sitting president officially invited into the White House a man who publicly called for the assassination of the former president and his secretary of state. Not to mention all of the racist things he has said about the former president. This man was seen fit to be honored with a dinner at the White House.

    And the best part? No one really took notice or gave much of a **** about the whole thing. This is apparently normal now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Ted Nugent's visit to the White House has got to be the first time a sitting president officially invited into the White House a man who publicly called for the assassination of the former president and his secretary of state. Not to mention all of the racist things he has said about the former president. This man was seen fit to be honored with a dinner at the White House.

    And the best part? No one really took notice or gave much of a **** about the whole thing. This is apparently normal now.
    Him and Palin took a pic in front of Hillary's portrait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    Him and Palin took a pic in front of Hillary's portrait.
    You forgot to mention Kid Rock. That's one classy crew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredb_7 View Post
    You forgot to mention Kid Rock. That's one classy crew.
    Another con man like Trump.

    Grew up in wealth in Michigan, and has been pretending to be a Confederate-flag waving, trailer park trash, redneck his whole career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredb_7 View Post
    You forgot to mention Kid Rock. That's one classy crew.
    Yes the American Bad Ass.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=***-CYYa4yQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    Perhaps if when people have opinions and others don't even think and just spout 'nonsense' with no evidence to support a counter argument people defend their opinions against mockery, labels of nonsense?

    I mean i could say that very political thread is full of the same useless posts exclaiming nonsense without offering opinion. I could but I wont.
    Just for clarification, I'm talking about your posts.

    Discussion between other posters is completely snuffed out by your tinfoil hat stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHIL. View Post
    Just for clarification, I'm talking about your posts.

    Discussion between other posters is completely snuffed out by your tinfoil hat stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megali-Idea View Post
    I feel mean now for writing that, so apologies Coach.

    Was just interested in reading what people had to say and it's just post after post of that type of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHIL. View Post
    I feel mean now for writing that, so apologies Coach.

    Was just interested in reading what people had to say and it's just post after post of that type of stuff.
    To be fair, imo, he's very logical and has a lot of well researched fact at his disposal. His lack of succinctness (or his comprehensive completeness) doesn't make it easy to engage and reply. But that's more because we can't be arsed to get in to that level of detail. Our bad. His facts are there for anyone to knock down if you have the energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    To be fair, imo, he's very logical and has a lot of well researched fact at his disposal. His lack of succinctness (or his comprehensive completeness) doesn't make it easy to engage and reply. But that's more because we can't be arsed to get in to that level of detail. Our bad. His facts are there for anyone to knock down if you have the energy.
    He isn't logical. In a logical argument the premise and the support are always linked and no assumptions are necessary for the conclusion to be drawn. That is not what Coach does. Sure, he presents lots of facts, but there is always a gap or an assumption between the facts and the ultimate conclusion. He makes the leap between the two seamlessly, and he'll then expect you to do the same. When, naturally, you do not, he gets preachy and condescending. Like you are either willfully ignoring the obvious or have been brainwashed by the system, you poor fool. The flaw is never in his argument. It is always in you. The other piece that irks me is that any information which conflicts with his thesis is always dismissed as being somehow planted or propagated by the mythical "them". Your sources are never as credible as his. Only he knows the truth. I don't think there is anything but frustration to be gained by arguing with him.
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    Go read the AP transcript of the Trump interview. The man is mentally ill. Has to be.

    on a 1 v 1 interview, they have to insert (unintelligible) so many times because, well, he's literally that. It's almost a bit scary how this man can weird so much power.
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    Something has gone very wrong in America. The warning signs have been there since 2000. They had a chance to stop the decline in 2004 but Bush got a second term. Disaster followed. Sarah Palin as a potential VP was another red flag, and even during Obama's presidency there were further alarm bells ringing that right wingers were becoming increasingly beyond the pale of insanity. The teabaggers were a further sign of derangement. The result was Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    Something has gone very wrong in America. The warning signs have been there since 2000. They had a chance to stop the decline in 2004 but Bush got a second term. Disaster followed. Sarah Palin as a potential VP was another red flag, and even during Obama's presidency there were further alarm bells ringing that right wingers were becoming increasingly beyond the pale of insanity. The teabaggers were a further sign of derangement. The result was Trump.
    Trump is a zionist puppet. It's as simple as that.
    The problem is most ordinary Americans don't know what Zionism is, so they don't realize that their country is totally controlled by zionists including the White House.
    Then of course, when folk try to point this out, the zionists and their parrots start hysterically screaming "anti-semitism" and the uninformed fall for it because they don't know the difference between "zionism", "judaism" and what truly constitutes a "semite". So, they just switch off or run away and remain non the wiser
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Go read the AP transcript of the Trump interview. The man is mentally ill. Has to be.

    on a 1 v 1 interview, they have to insert (unintelligible) so many times because, well, he's literally that. It's almost a bit scary how this man can weird so much power.
    Fake News! They inserted 'unintelligible' every time his aide said something. I thought it wasn't a bad interview tbh, he comes across as a pretty straight talking bloke
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    Quote Originally Posted by naturalskill View Post
    Trump is a zionist puppet. It's as simple as that.
    The problem is most ordinary Americans don't know what Zionism is, so they don't realize that their country is totally controlled by zionists including the White House.
    Then of course, when folk try to point this out, the zionists and their parrots start hysterically screaming "anti-semitism" and the uninformed fall for it because they don't know the difference between "zionism", "judaism" and what truly constitutes a "semite". So, they just switch off or run away and remain non the wiser
    I'm a little surprised your so surprised about the people around him, the Times of Israel did a piece on it last year listing all the people you're suddenly concerned about. I guess you missed it back then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by naturalskill View Post
    Trump is a zionist puppet. It's as simple as that.
    The problem is most ordinary Americans don't know what Zionism is, so they don't realize that their country is totally controlled by zionists including the White House.
    Then of course, when folk try to point this out, the zionists and their parrots start hysterically screaming "anti-semitism" and the uninformed fall for it because they don't know the difference between "zionism", "judaism" and what truly constitutes a "semite". So, they just switch off or run away and remain non the wiser
    What about his actions makes you feel so strongly about him being a zionist puppet? Were you expecting him to immediately withdraw all US troops from the middle east and declare Israel an enemy of the state? I really don't understand what any US politician has to do before people with a weird fascination with Israel stop shouting zionist this and zionist that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    What about his actions makes you feel so strongly about him being a zionist puppet? Were you expecting him to immediately withdraw all US troops from the middle east and declare Israel an enemy of the state? I really don't understand what any US politician has to do before people with a weird fascination with Israel stop shouting zionist this and zionist that.
    Weird fascination about Israel. Hmmm.

    As to what any US politician has to do...perhaps look at funding?
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