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    Quote Originally Posted by Suadal7 View Post
    Too bad Trump cannot gloat about his tax returns like he does with his 306 electoral votes.

    If there aren't anything to hide with his returns and knowing his demeanor, he would be flashing his tax returns and boasting about how much he is worth, how he was self made etc....
    He got 304. He lied about that yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    ....the first one yes, the second one no.

    That first article was quite good though, I'm a sucker for "living history" pieces.
    I didn't see the second one, he edited that one after I clicked on it.

    Also, I'm not going to read anything from Milo... The guy is a hack and just wants attention so he'll say anything he wants.
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    That press conference yesterday was an absolute disgrace. How long can he continue to get away with telling blatant lies and shouting at reporters?
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    Apparently Trump's team has 'floated' the idea of using 100,000 national guard troops to round up illegal immigrants.

    Like with other policies, his team 'leaks' these out to gauge reaction, and then can deny or implement...

    AP broke story, but before they did, they tried to get the WH to verify, and they did not return comment. So when they published it, Spicer immediately denied it.

    Classic. Trump ****** up yesterday and is dominating the news cycle, so they send out this fake report to change the subject. And the media seems to be biting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    I didn't see the second one, he edited that one after I clicked on it.

    Also, I'm not going to read anything from Milo... The guy is a hack and just wants attention so he'll say anything he wants.
    I read it.

    Heres is the source, expanded from the posted Milo article....http://ijr.com/2017/02/797086-youve-...n-nazi-germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Apparently Trump's team has 'floated' the idea of using 100,000 national guard troops to round up illegal immigrants.

    Like with other policies, his team 'leaks' these out to gauge reaction, and then can deny or implement...

    AP broke story, but before they did, they tried to get the WH to verify, and they did not return comment. So when they published it, Spicer immediately denied it.

    Classic. Trump ****** up yesterday and is dominating the news cycle, so they send out this fake report to change the subject. And the media seems to be biting.
    Great way to combat fake news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    Grow up. You're agreeing that women shouldn't have the right to equal pay. You deserve every bit of criticism you get for that.
    I'm agreeing govt. intervention isn't needed here. Other employment laws should cover the pay issue easily. If someone is doing the exact same job as someone else but is being paid less for it based on their sex, race etc they can take that up as an equal opportunities grievance.

    It'll be easy to navigate 'equal pay' laws anyway by creating various roles and pay scales if you really wanted to.

    I do think his social commentary applies to certain rural parts of America and their way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    I'm agreeing govt. intervention isn't needed here. Other employment laws should cover the pay issue easily. If someone is doing the exact same job as someone else but is being paid less for it based on their sex, race etc they can take that up as an equal opportunities grievance.

    It'll be easy to navigate 'equal pay' laws anyway by creating various roles and pay scales if you really wanted to.

    I do think his social commentary applies to certain rural parts of America and their way of thinking.
    I cannot believe the responses that you got for the comment, its almost as if the people replying do not understand what the letter meant.......
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    As far as I can tell, the original letter (I don't think its been posted up yet for others to read - If its wrong, please correct as I'm off in a bit)....

    http://www.wasatchwave.com/view/full...e_right_column
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    Its not the governments place to dictate, let the market decide.

    Absolute ....lol. Who do you think stops child labour, who do you think stops slavery? There is no such thing as a pure "free market", mainly because in this mythical controlled experiment you need both parties to have the ability to opt out if their demands aren't met. In the real world, because thats where we live, people HAVE to work, so they do not have the choice to opt out.

    Even at minimum wage levels most governments have to compensate through subsidies, which is actually the taxpayer subsidising the corporations not paying a living wage. What I guess some people are suggesting is there wouldn't be those subsidies either - in which case America, already with one of the lowest minimum wages in the developed world and the highest rates of poverty - would descend into half the population living in absolute poverty.

    Why? Because once again the market isn't free. Reduced barriers mean employers are easily able to move production abroad to where their wage demands will be met.

    Government intervention is always there at some level and the question is simply about acceptance of what that level is, but to suggest "its not the governments" place to dictate consumer protections shows a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly what the government is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Ummm.... You may want to give that article another go. She's actually talking about Trump here...
    I disagree, she is talking about socialism and PC.

    Im neither in support of the left or the right, they are both entrenched and but atm the left are isolating those caught in the middle and pushing them towards Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    I disagree, she is talking about socialism and PC.

    Im neither in support of the left or the right, they are both entrenched and but atm the left are isolating those caught in the middle and pushing them towards Trump.
    You 100% misread that entire article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    I'm agreeing govt. intervention isn't needed here. Other employment laws should cover the pay issue easily. If someone is doing the exact same job as someone else but is being paid less for it based on their sex, race etc they can take that up as an equal opportunities grievance.
    It'll be easy to navigate 'equal pay' laws anyway by creating various roles and pay scales if you really wanted to.

    I do think his social commentary applies to certain rural parts of America and their way of thinking.
    What do you mean 'If', it's a reality. It's what is happening now. In the 'free market'. It's why regulation is important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Or this part:



    Those parts. That is disgusting. And you can't see that?
    That is nonsense but the whole feminism pay gap thing is an absolute myth just like the victimhood notion of rape culture. It is statistically proven that woman with equal experience and qualifications as men in their 30's actually earn more than men now. The wage gap myth is built off a lie taking the overall income of all woman and all men out of context.

    So that part of the letter itself is based off a fabrication and then makes itself even more nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    That is nonsense but the whole feminism pay gap thing is an absolute myth just like the victimhood notion of rape culture. It is statistically proven that woman with equal experience and qualifications as men in their 30's actually earn more than men now.
    Source?

    In any case I don't believe that we have unequal pay for equal work, but that is what the letter advocated, and another poster agreed with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    I'm agreeing govt. intervention isn't needed here. Other employment laws should cover the pay issue easily. If someone is doing the exact same job as someone else but is being paid less for it based on their sex, race etc they can take that up as an equal opportunities grievance.

    It'll be easy to navigate 'equal pay' laws anyway by creating various roles and pay scales if you really wanted to.

    I do think his social commentary applies to certain rural parts of America and their way of thinking.
    So you don't think it's in the remit of a government to guarantee equal pay for equal work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    Source?

    In any case I don't believe that we have unequal pay for equal work, but that is what the letter advocated, and another poster agreed with that.
    https://youtu.be/4nojG0ZsfVk

    This video touches on it, but if you really want to look into it id suggest looking into Ben Shapiro. The guy is an absolute genius in using actual statistics and putting them into context for those who misrepresent them to suit and agenda to create an environment of the oppressed.

    Simply put if businesses could get away with paying Women less than men no male would be in a job, it is just common sense and it can be easily debunked if it is looked into thoroughly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    That is nonsense but the whole feminism pay gap thing is an absolute myth just like the victimhood notion of rape culture. It is statistically proven that woman with equal experience and qualifications as men in their 30's actually earn more than men now. The wage gap myth is built off a lie taking the overall income of all woman and all men out of context.

    So that part of the letter itself is based off a fabrication and then makes itself even more nonsense.
    Link.

    Because you are 100% wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    What do you mean 'If', it's a reality. It's what is happening now. In the 'free market'. It's why regulation is important.
    Do you mean Men are getting more of the higher paid jobs? or that 2 people doing the same job in the same company are getting different salaries based on their sex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    https://youtu.be/4nojG0ZsfVk

    This video touches on it, but if you really want to look into it id suggest looking into Ben Shapiro. The guy is an absolute genius in using actual statistics and putting them into context for those who misrepresent them to suit and agenda to create an environment of the oppressed.

    Simply put if businesses could get away with paying Women less than men no male would be in a job, it is just common sense and it can be easily debunked if it is looked into thoroughly.
    hahahahaa. ok. I got it now. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Link.

    Because you are 100% wrong.
    No i am not, look up Ben Shapiro or even have a look at the video i posted above it clearly explains where the myth came from.

    It is common sense that if employers could hire woman and pay them 23c per dollar less than males for the same job, on profit making decisions alone males would not he able to find work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    hahahahaa. ok. I got it now. Thanks.
    Give me evidence of it not being a myth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPool Stark View Post
    Do you mean Men are getting more of the higher paid jobs? or that 2 people doing the same job in the same company are getting different salaries based on their sex?
    Both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    No i am not, look up Ben Shapiro or even have a look at the video i posted above it clearly explains where the myth came from.

    It is common sense that if employers could hire woman and pay them 23c per dollar less than males for the same job, on profit making decisions alone males would not he able to find work.
    Yes, but sexism and partriachy don't look at stats and figures. We live in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    No i am not, look up Ben Shapiro or even have a look at the video i posted above it clearly explains where the myth came from.

    It is common sense that if employers could hire woman and pay them 23c per dollar less than males for the same job, on profit making decisions alone males would not he able to find work.
    I typed in 'gender pay gap in America' and literally the first 400 pages were links to articles about it.

    Here's the 4th article. Same job, same company, less pay - https://www.cnet.com/news/biggest-pa...r-programmers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    So you don't think it's in the remit of a government to guarantee equal pay for equal work?
    Where will that happen though? Surely there are discrimination laws in place already that would root that out? I think the employer should decide how much they pay and to whom depending on what they're getting back from their employee. We have enough protection at the workplace to ensure it isn't abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    https://youtu.be/4nojG0ZsfVk

    This video touches on it, but if you really want to look into it id suggest looking into Ben Shapiro. The guy is an absolute genius in using actual statistics and putting them into context for those who misrepresent them to suit and agenda to create an environment of the oppressed.

    Simply put if businesses could get away with paying Women less than men no male would be in a job, it is just common sense and it can be easily debunked if it is looked into thoroughly.
    I'm not disagreeing with that last bit. The issue is that a Republican politician penned a letter arguing in favour of paying men more for the same work, and a poster on here thought it was a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with that last bit. The issue is that a Republican politician penned a letter arguing in favour of paying men more for the same work, and a poster on here thought it was a great idea.
    Because the women might even take MENS jobs! The nerve....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with that last bit. The issue is that a Republican politician penned a letter arguing in favour of paying men more for the same work, and a poster on here thought it was a great idea.
    The last couple of pages of posts demonstrate how and why Trump is where he is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Both.
    It is a lie mate.

    Feminists have gotten pay gap myth from the misleading claims that woman earn 77c for every dollar a man earns for the exact same work. The 23c pay gap is actually derived off the average earnings of all men and all woman working full time, it does not take into account for differences in occupation, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week.

    Going back to what i said, if you were a business owner and you could get away with paying a woman less than a man for the exact same job you as a male would never be hired again, if only to increase profits. That is basic economics and it already doesn't hold up logically.
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