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    THE GAMES IN HAND AND REARRANGED
    MATCHES THREAD 2016-17



    So here we are again... the Premier League table is about to get very messy, starting from next week. Grrr

    At this time of year we get lots of games postponed for various reasons and so obviously it makes sense to document these games, for the sake of our mental health. Well ok then, for my mental health

    It all starts next week with the two games postponed because of the EFL Cup final.

    Then there are the FA Cup quarter finals in mid March, which will see another group of games be culled.

    And of course, there's also the FA Cup semi finals towards the end of April, which means yet more games will have to be rearranged.

    At least the weather hasn't claimed any games...yet.

    So far there are 6 matches that are definitely needing new dates, with a further 8 fixtures under threat - depending on how the FA Cup pans out.

    Ok, here's the summary...






    MATCH
    ORIGINAL DATE
    REASON FOR POSTPONEMENT
    NEW DATE
    Man.City v Man.Utd
    Feb 25th
    League Cup Final
    ?
    Southampton v Arsenal
    Feb 25th
    League Cup Final ?
    Chelsea v Watford
    Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Crystal Palace v Tottenham Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Middlesbrough v Sunderland Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F ?
    Southampton v Man.Utd Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Arsenal v Leicester * Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F ?
    Man.City v Stoke * Mar 11th FA Cup Q/F ?
    Arsenal v Sunderland *
    Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F
    ?
    Bournemouth v Middlesbrough * Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F ?
    Burnley v Man.Utd * Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F ?
    Chelsea v Southampton * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?
    Leicester v Tottenham * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?
    Man.City v West Brom * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?


    * Potential postponement



    The midweeks of Weds Apr 26th and Weds May 17th are the only non-European midweeks left, when Premier League games are allowed to take place - so I would suggest most of these games would take place then.

    There is also the option of Feb 28th/Mar 1st - which are dates set aside for FA Cup replays the week after next. But that may be too soon for games that have only just been postponed to be arranged for. Plus Man.City can't play their rearranged games then as they actually have an FA Cup replay to play. And the same might apply to Arsenal.

    Man.Utd and Southampton have at least 2 games to fit in - and maybe 3 - which could be a struggle for them.

    Arsenal and Man.City could have 3 games too.

    So with only 2 free dates, I guess UEFA are going to end up fining the FA again, when games are scheduled at the same time as CL matches.



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    So the four teams with games called off next week, could all have three games called off. No games on FA Cup days between two teams still in the cup either, so going out of the cup early doesn't always help with your fixture list.

    Southampton, Sunderland and Leicester could all have two games moved to midweek due to FA Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    So the four teams with games called off next week, could all have three games called off. No games on FA Cup days between two teams still in the cup either, so going out of the cup early doesn't always help with your fixture list.

    Southampton, Sunderland and Leicester could all have two games moved to midweek due to FA Cup.
    Yes you beat me to it this time, I was just editing that in to the OP.

    They really have to change this rule about not having PL games clash with CL games.

    They've removed the QF replays this year, but we're still going to get games that can't be fit in at any other time, so there's no choice but to play on European weeks.

    And with internationals, a PL midweek set of fixtures and all the European games, there's only 2 free midweeks left after next week.
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    So with Chelsea playing Utd - that means that either Utd or Southampton will definitely have 3 games to fit in, as Southampton are due to play Chelsea on semi final day.

    The FA better get their wallet open...
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    Darren is this the right thread to ask how United have managed to get the Saint-Etienne game moved to Wednesday rather than Thursday next week. We had to play Thursday followed by Sunday in the League cup final last season? Why not them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redgreg75 View Post
    Darren is this the right thread to ask how United have managed to get the Saint-Etienne game moved to Wednesday rather than Thursday next week. We had to play Thursday followed by Sunday in the League cup final last season? Why not them?

    The explanation...



    Manchester United will play St Etienne in the last 32 of the Europa League - on a WEDNESDAY night.

    The move is down to local rivals Lyon also being drawn at home in the second leg, due to both sides being seeded.

    As Lyon finished higher in Ligue 1 last term, they have priority, and will retain their Thursday fixture.

    Their Manchester Derby trip to the Etihad Stadium against rivals City could still be moved back a day to February 26 - or it could be moved to a different week, should United reach the EFL Cup final at Wembley on the same day.

    Jose Mourinho's men will host the French Ligue 1 side in the first leg at Old Trafford on Thursday February 16.

    The decisive second leg will take place at the Stade Geoffroy-Guichard on Wednesday February 22.
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    Why can't they have games the same day as CL games, even if they are not on tv.

    After all is Bournemouth v Middlesbrough not on tv, really going to have an impact of Real Madrid v Bayern Munich Semi Final Second Leg. Maybe have Bournemouth v Middlesbrough start at 5.30pm on a Wednesday so it will be over just under half hour before the CL games starts, more then enough time for Middlesbrough fans to make their way back home in time.

    No wonder there's no winter break here, UEFA will be fining the FA every week.

    What happens if there's a league game on a Friday after Europe, a Europa game gets called off on a Thursday for some reason down to UEFA and with UEFA rules it's played the next day, do they fine themselves for putting it the same day as a league game. Then again probably not, they didn't fine themselves when the CL Final started five minutes late, and many games started late in Euro 2016, but they fined us because our game at Old Trafford kicked off one minute late.

    Guess our game with Leicester would have been moved back to Saturday if they drew yesterday, or they would have ended up putting it on a date where a fine could happen and that occasion you could argue there was a fine.

    Imagine if we were in both cups, they'd want to avoid the fine, so we'd have the League Cup Final on Sunday, Leicester on Monday and Replay at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday to see who are home to Man Utd. We'd get attacked for playing reserve team in the FA Cup, saying it's four days until we have Arsenal. Complaining the reason we did it is because it's our third game in three days will be met with surely these players can play three games in a week. Winning the replay on penalties is not justification for playing the kids, and we only won as we had penalty experience having won the League Cup on penalties, even though it was a different 11. Of course all the other games would be moved, so the wanting to avoid the fine rule would be one of them selective rules.

    Good thing none of the called off games involve Burnley in London, as they'd have to make sure they don't arrange that for a week they have another game in London as they can't afford hotels being a club in this division. Non League Lincoln have to go to Braintree four days before going to Sutton or Arsenal, how will they manage it.
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    I don't know why UEFA are so anal about it all.

    I think we had this conversation in the same thread last year.

    These are some of the explanations and relevant articles:

    Uefa's rules prevent top-flight sides playing domestic fixtures on the same night as its premier club tournament.

    The rule came to light when Liverpool beat Everton 3-0 in a Premier League match on Tuesday 13 March 2012 - the same night that Inter Milan and Bayern Munich beat Marseille and Basel respectively in Champions League last-16 second legs.

    The Merseyside derby had been shifted to that date because of Liverpool's participation in the League Cup final earlier in the season.

    Uefa claimed that the clash should not have happened as the Premier League is part of the European Professional Football Leagues body, which has agreed not to stage games on Champions League nights.

    The Premier League disputed that it was bound by the agreement, saying clashes were "sometimes inevitable".

    FA punished by UEFA for playing domestic fixtures on same night as European games

    The FA has lost £1.1m in UEFA payments for playing domestic matches on the same nights as European competitions.

    UEFA guidelines state that Premier League, FA Cup and Capital One Cup matches must not clash with fixtures in the Champions League and Europa League.

    But the FA failed to comply with the rule on a number of occasions in recent seasons due to fixture congestion.

    Consequently, the FA have agreed to pay £42,000 to UEFA, who have withheld £1.1m in solidarity payments that has been distributed to other European countries.

    A UEFA statement read: "The control and disciplinary board also issued a decision concerning the proceedings initiated against the English Football Association (FA) regarding calendar clashes relating to the 2010/11 and 2011/12 seasons.

    "Accepting a resolution of the case between the parties, the FA will pay 50,000 euros and the 10 per cent of the UEFA Champions League distribution payment for 2010/11 will be added at the end of the current campaign to the pot for distribution to the respective clubs in the relevant remaining UEFA member associations.

    "In addition, UEFA will now establish a working group, which will involve representatives of the FA, in order to avoid calendar clashes in future."



    FA Cup: Hull City boss Steve Bruce blasts fixture scheduling rule after Brighton draw

    Steve Bruce was left bemused by the scheduling of Hull's replay against Brighton after a 1-1 draw at the Amex Stadium.

    Steve Bruce: Baffled that Hull have to play FA Cup replay next Monday

    The Tigers were facing elimination when Leonardo Ulloa scored for the hosts after half an hour, but Yannick Sagbo's strike five minutes from time salvaged a replay.

    Hull also have a relegation battle on their hands and UEFA regulations mean the cup replay at the KC Stadium will be replayed next Monday after important league games for both sides on Saturday.

    Whilst happy to still be in the competition, with a home quarter-final against Sunderland awaiting the winners of the replay, Bruce could not understand the fixture pile-up.

    "I find that ridiculous, I have to tell you," the City boss, whose side travel to Cardiff in the Premier League, said.

    "Surely we could play on the same night as the Champions League, you would have thought.

    "I think it is a UEFA rule, which reads nobody plays on the same night as the Champions League. We'll have to take it as it is and deal with it as it comes.

    "It is quite a bizarre one, isn't it? For them to say to the FA that we can't play the same night as they are playing the Champions League.

    "I don't think there will be many tuning out of Barcelona against Manchester City to tune into Hull versus Brighton, no disrespect.

    "But there you have it, they think it's going to clash. Is it going to be a real problem for them? I somehow doubt it."

    Steve Bruce talking some sense there.

    I do like your idea of UEFA fining themselves
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    Trust them to blame us for the rule.

    So Hull had to play two days after a previous game, selective rule again on teams not being able to play two days, and being able to. Again putting the blame on the UEFA rule, even though they've ignored on other occasions.


    UEFA can fine themselves next time two teams with big followings get to a final in a small stadium, with an even smaller allocation of tickets, they can punish themselves by making their showpiece game be played behind closed doors. Would have worked perfect for them last season when both ourselves and Sevilla didn't like the small allocation. Maybe if it was a Liverpool and Dortmund Final, they would have done this, but still let in the football family. Like the time they ordered a game in Russia, I think it might have been to be played behind closed doors. Only Man City the away team had already sold ticket allocation, and as it was at short notice all the fans had already paid for travel and accommodation, but UEFA refused to refund anything, not even the match tickets and said they were not allowed to go to the game even though it was not them being punished, but no one was allowed to go. Then when a goal was scored, tv cameras switched to people in the stadium celebrating, but they were allowed in as they were friend of UEFA or football family, some stupid title.
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    Cheers Darren. That explains it. And Euro I always thought that Europa League/ UEFA cup could and should be played on the the Tuesday & Wednesday same day as Champions League but at 5:30pm. That to me makes things fairer.
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    Wonder how much the Scottish FA will get fined for having Hibs play Hearts on Wednesday.



    Quote Originally Posted by redgreg75 View Post
    I always thought that Europa League/ UEFA cup could and should be played on the the Tuesday & Wednesday same day as Champions League but at 5:30pm. That to me makes things fairer.
    They do it some times, if there's certain circumstances like Saint Etienne's game at home to Man Utd is on Wednesday.

    It could be done the early kick offs on Thursday's on Tuesday's and the late kick offs on Wednesday's. Although having all the games start early isn't always logistically possible and not fair on match going fans. We complained when we had a 6pm Thursday kick off at Anfield, but the club said nothing could be done and UEFA don't change their minds. The game at Old Trafford was originally going to be 6pm, except Man Utd actually pulled their fingers out and considered fans getting to the game, and the volume of traffic with match traffic and rush hour combined, and got UEFA to change the kick off time to the more suitable and preferred later one which both sets of fans wanted.

    I think the reason they have different days is they don't want the CL overshadowing the Europa, yet they think a League Cup game between Accrington and Hartlepool might overshadow CL.
    Last season though if they had games the same day it could well have been the Europa overshadowing the CL, with our games against Man Utd and our games against Dortmund.
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    From Middlesbrough's GazetteLive...


    Middlesbrough vs Sunderland: The possible dates and when we'll get confirmation

    Boro were due to play Sunderland on March 11 but will now welcome Manchester City or Huddersfield to the Riverside on that date

    The rearranged date for Boro's crunch home Tees-Wear derby against Sunderland won't be confirmed until next week at the very earliest.

    Premier League bosses will wait until Manchester City and Huddersfield have replayed their FA Cup fifth round tie next Tuesday, February 28, before they nail down a new date for the rescheduled league fixtures.

    Boro will welcome the winner of the City vs Town replay in the quarter finals at the Riverside on the weekend of March 11/12 - the same weekend they were due to play Sunderland in what has the makings of a massive game at the bottom.

    That game will now obviously be rearranged for a midweek night match.

    League chiefs attempt, where possible, to avoid playing domestic fixtures on the same night as Champions League ties but are not legally bound to do so. If needs must, the Premier League can - and will - rearrange the Boro vs Sunderland game for a night in which European games are also taking place.

    However, there are free midweek dates in the calendar which would avoid that clash - but not until the back end of the season.

    There's an available slot next Tuesday, February 28, but that will obviously come too soon. The next Tuesday or Wednesday free of European football comes on March 21/22, but those dates are ruled out due to the fact they fall during an international break.

    Boro play Hull on Tuesday, April 4 and European games fall on 11/12 and 18/19 of the same month. The only other two possibilities if the Premier League want to avoid the clash with UEFA games are on April 25/26 or May 16/17. The latter falls in the final week of the season between Boro's home game with Southampton and the trip to Liverpool.

    It's also worth taking into account that should Boro advance to the semi-finals of the FA Cup, their trip to Bournemouth, currently scheduled for Saturday, April 22, will also have to be rescheduled. So if the Boro vs Sunderland game was rescheduled for the last week of the season, it would leave very little wriggle room should the Bournemouth fixture also need to be rearranged.


    Sounds like the FA are getting tough this year!
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    Was looking through the topic last season, and predicted they'd scrap replays due to this European thing. They only did so for the Quarter Finals. The International break this year is actually for meaningful games, World Cup Qualification. Last season these same problems arose with limited free dates, and non competitive Internationals were taking up one of them which was ridiculous playing non competitive Internationals that late in the season, more so when they insist on limiting the dates replays can take place.

    I wonder if other nations have similar problems, though many don't have replays and only one cup. Scotland and France are the only other nations I can think of that have two domestic cups, and Scotland also have replays for their main cup, I'm not sure about France. Not that it doesn't mean it's not a stupid rule, especially if the game is not even on tv anyway. Good thing it's not FIFA doing this instead of UEFA. If they rearranged a league game for European week and it wasn't on tv, FIFA would fine the fans who go to the game, even if they don't have BT Sport so couldn't see the CL game anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    Was looking through the topic last season, and predicted they'd scrap replays due to this European thing. They only did so for the Quarter Finals. The International break this year is actually for meaningful games, World Cup Qualification. Last season these same problems arose with limited free dates, and non competitive Internationals were taking up one of them which was ridiculous playing non competitive Internationals that late in the season, more so when they insist on limiting the dates replays can take place.

    I wonder if other nations have similar problems, though many don't have replays and only one cup. Scotland and France are the only other nations I can think of that have two domestic cups, and Scotland also have replays for their main cup, I'm not sure about France. Not that it doesn't mean it's not a stupid rule, especially if the game is not even on tv anyway. Good thing it's not FIFA doing this instead of UEFA. If they rearranged a league game for European week and it wasn't on tv, FIFA would fine the fans who go to the game, even if they don't have BT Sport so couldn't see the CL game anyway.
    Yeah you did. The scrapping of QF replays hasn't made a big impact, although there was that issue with the Utd v West Ham game last year.

    But the main issue is that there are three occasions when games get cancelled and only 2 free midweeks, so if you're a team that gets caught up in all three, then you've got a problem.

    Other countries seem to get round it by keeping their league games on the weekends and playing the cup midweek - settled on the night. I hope we don't go down that route as I like FA Cup weekends. But maybe I'm just a traditionalist.
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    So Leicester are the latest side to have a fixture postponed, as their game at Arsenal is now definitely off...





    MATCH
    ORIGINAL DATE
    REASON FOR POSTPONEMENT
    NEW DATE
    Man.City v Man.Utd
    Feb 25th
    League Cup Final
    ?
    Southampton v Arsenal
    Feb 25th
    League Cup Final ?
    Chelsea v Watford
    Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Crystal Palace v Tottenham Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Middlesbrough v Sunderland Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F ?
    Southampton v Man.Utd Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F
    ?
    Arsenal v Leicester Mar 11th
    FA Cup Q/F ?
    Man.City v Stoke * Mar 11th FA Cup Q/F ?
    Arsenal v Sunderland *
    Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F
    ?
    Bournemouth v Middlesbrough * Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F ?
    Burnley v Man.Utd * Apr 22nd
    FA Cup S/F ?
    Chelsea v Southampton * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?
    Leicester v Tottenham * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?
    Man.City v West Brom * Apr 22nd FA Cup S/F ?


    * Potential postponement


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    Not sure the FA need to worry about scrapping replays, the players seem to be doing that for themselves.

    In the 4th round, out of 16 matches there was only 1 draw - Derby v Leicester. There were 11 home wins and 4 away wins.

    In the 5th round, out of 8 matches there was only 1 draw - Huddersfield v Man.City. There were 2 home wins and 5 away wins.

    So in those 24 ties, there were 13 homes, 9 aways and just 2 draws.

    It seems FA Cup replays are already becoming a thing of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post
    I hope we don't go down that route as I like FA Cup weekends. But maybe I'm just a traditionalist.
    So do I


    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post

    It seems FA Cup replays are already becoming a thing of the past.
    Yet still we have this problem because of the European rule. Imagine the chaos if there were mass replays.

    Replays are declining. We lost our last tie at the first attempt, when our previous three ties had all gone to replays. The last one that didn't was Villa Semi Final, however you can't have replays in that round although it was over in 90 minutes. The tie before that had a replay. So before our exit this season, the last four ties we had where replays were possible all went to replays. It was the first time in over 3 years we were drawn at home and it didn't end in a draw, our last 4 home ties all ended in draws, our last 5 home games all either went to replays or were replays. So if the replays specialists did not go to a replay, then they must be ending.

    Good thing FIFA don't rule on this midweek European thing, they would make teams play twice in one day. Middlesbrough could play at home to Sunderland and an hour after play away to Bournemouth, should be enough time to do the short journey. Just get a rocket launcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    Good thing FIFA don't rule on this midweek European thing, they would make teams play twice in one day. Middlesbrough could play at home to Sunderland and an hour after play away to Bournemouth, should be enough time to do the short journey. Just get a rocket launcher.
    Or Middlesbrough could just refuse to play - like that time they didn't bother playing Blackburn, got 3 points deducted and then got relegated because of it.
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    The FA will know how much their fine will be after today when Scottish FA and Spain FA or what ever it's called get their fines. Unless it's going off FIFA criteria of finning different amounts for the same offence like England getting fined more then Scotland for wearing poppies in the same game.

    In which case, Spanish will get no fine for today, and what ever Scottish get England will probably get double.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    The FA will know how much their fine will be after today when Scottish FA and Spain FA or what ever it's called get their fines. Unless it's going off FIFA criteria of finning different amounts for the same offence like England getting fined more then Scotland for wearing poppies in the same game.

    In which case, Spanish will get no fine for today, and what ever Scottish get England will probably get double.
    Did they not get round it in Spain by having the game as an early kick off?
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    No idea. I thought the rule was you can't play the same day as European games, so didn't think kick off times came into it, especially if away fans are still coming home.

    Besides there were Europa League games at the same time, so it was still played the same time as European games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    No idea. I thought the rule was you can't play the same day as European games, so didn't think kick off times came into it, especially if away fans are still coming home.

    Besides there were Europa League games at the same time, so it was still played the same time as European games.
    I think it's a sort of compromise - like when last year they agreed to have the Utd West Ham replay at 7pm so at least the first half didn't clash with the CL.

    The EL games were rearranged and shouldn't really have been played on a Weds anyway, so maybe they don't count.
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    So as well as being a stupid pointless rule, it's also a selective one, so they can just pick and choose who to fine and when.

    The should fine themselves for rearranging Europa games on CL night. What if one of the games went to extra time and an extremely long penalty shoot out that ended after the CL games had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    So as well as being a stupid pointless rule, it's also a selective one, so they can just pick and choose who to fine and when.

    The should fine themselves for rearranging Europa games on CL night. What if one of the games went to extra time and an extremely long penalty shoot out that ended after the CL games had.
    I suppose they don't mind EL games clashing with CL games, because it's still a UEFA match. They just don't like people watching domestic games when a European game is on, because they're insecure and hate the competition.
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    UEFA will fine Leicester now for sacking their manager during a European game, as people are now watching the reaction to it instead of the Tottenham game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    UEFA will fine Leicester now for sacking their manager during a European game, as people are now watching the reaction to it instead of the Tottenham game.


    And quite right too, the selfish Leicester owners.
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    Here's an article from Eurosport about Man.Utd's fixture problems...



    Explained: The fixture pile-up that could derail Manchester United's Premier League season


    Manchester United’s cup success has come at a price, with Jose Mourinho’s side facing problematic fixture congestion in the remaining months of the season.



    If United beat Chelsea in the next round of the FA Cup they will have three postponed games, but just two remaining midweek slots available in which to play them.

    It's a situation that has not gone unnoticed by Mourinho, who said earlier this week:

    " The accumulation of FA Cup and League Cup and the match postponement make it really hard for us. If we progress in the competitions we will be in trouble in May. "


    United have won just one trophy since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson, but the possibility of a cup treble remains this season, with the club's manager insisting that he is taking all competitions seriously:

    " It will be difficult but we don’t throw away competitions. We know it can have an impact in the Premier League because we compete against teams in other circumstances. For example, Liverpool play only in the Premier League, Chelsea in the Premier League and FA Cup. Tottenham are in similar situation to us but we want to progress. We prefer difficult and progressing to easy and being out of the competition."


    Mourinho's side are in a group of five teams chasing three Champions League places, meaning that taking the Europa League games lightly is not a viable option for a club desperate to return to Europe's top table - as the coach explained:

    " The plus is it [the Europa League] is another opportunity to qualify for the Champions League. We have two doors still open. One is the Europa League but we know we are in the last 32, not even the last eight or four, so there is a long way to go. In the Premier League the door is also open but we still have a long way to go."





    Too many games, too little time


    United’s progression through to the final of the League Cup and the quarter-finals of the FA Cup has left them with two postponed Premier League matches needing to be rearranged before the end of the campaign.

    But the league’s decision not to schedule one of those matches for the available Wednesday 1 March slot has exacerbated the problem.

    As a report by the Manchester Evening News explained on Friday, there are currently just two available midweeks in which United could play those two games in hand against Manchester City and Southampton. And if Mourinho’s side beat Chelsea in their FA Cup quarter-final next month then an additional Premier League game (Burnley away on April 22) will also need to be rearranged.

    Even if Manchester United slip out of the Europa League, UEFA rules dictate that domestic fixtures cannot clash with European matches (unless a compromise can be reached), effectively ruling out any additional spare midweeks in which to play that Burnley fixture.


    What are the solutions?

    Manchester United could play their final league game on Tuesday 23 May, but that comes after the final weekend of the season and Premier League chiefs will be keen to avoid such a scenario.

    If United are knocked out of the Europa League then they could request to have a weekend game pushed to a Friday night, allowing for a Friday-Monday turnaround.

    But if United reach the final of the Europa League and no solution can be agreed between the Premier League or UEFA, then the club will face playing two games over the same weekend, with Saturday to Monday the least demanding outcome.




    Our view

    A lack of foresight from the Premier League has created this scenario, which at best is lax and at worst is incompetent.

    For this to avoid becoming a huge story then Jose Mourinho will need to take it on the chin and deal with the fixture inconvenience quietly and respectfully…

    Huge story it is then.

    After all, we are talking about the manager who - when faced with the small matter of the Chelsea FA Cup quarter-final being scheduled for a Monday evening - reacted like this:


    " I feel really surprised that the decision was made before our draw in Europe, because at this moment nobody knows where is the first match, where is the second match, who we play against and where the first match is. Imagine playing Chelsea on the Monday and then have to go for the second leg in Europe on Thursday to Russia, in Turkey or in Greece. I think that once more the television interests are going in front of the clubs and the interests of English football and nobody cares. Nobody cares about it."



    Jose may be correct in asserting that nobody cares, but that won’t stop him shouting into the wind about fixture injustices until he’s blue in the face. Strap yourselves in folks, this one’s going to be a bumpy ride.






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    The Burnley fixture if it becomes an issue will just be played on European night if they are out of Europe. Don't see how the Friday league game and a Monday one will work as they can't play Friday if they play in Europe on Thursday, unless they mean a non Europe week.

    They won't play after the season unless they plant a fake bomb in the toilets again, and if they have an FA Cup Final it leaves less time, but it didn't impact last season winning it and sacking the manager an hour later.

    Won't Man City face similar problems though, the article from Manchester media making out it's only Man Utd. Man City had the same game as Man Utd called off because of League Cup Final, will have a game called off if they beat Huddersfield and then another if they beat Middlesbrough in their Quarter Final, and are still in Europe. They couldn't play one of the called off games on the March 1st free date, as they have Huddersfield then in the replay, so can't play the game against team with the letter S at the start of the name who play in red and white stripes, as they don't even know if it's going to be called off. That leaves their derby game called off for League Cup Final, they can't play it then as it would be too much playing two games in the same stadium at the same time, a lack of foresight from the league there not having a league game played on same pitch at same time as a cup game, or having it straight after despite not knowing if extra time or penalties will be played.

    I don't see why the article is blaming the league, it's not their fault UEFA have this rule. UEFA should be blamed for lack of foresight when they made it so half the last 16 matches are played one week, and half another week, when they use to all be the same week. Last week could have been the first leg for all the games,, this week free and next week the second leg of all the games. Then the week after free so that's when the Manchester teams could have had their derby instead of Man City going to Monaco and Man Utd to Russia.

    If Man Utd lose the Chelsea and Man City win the replay and beat Middlesbrough, then they have the more postponements, so why is the article including the one from the Manchester media. Always painting Man Utd as the victim. Mourinho prefers difficult, then moans about Chelsea game date and about how they have the worst travel from the European draw, despite two other fixtures they could have got that were longer. Instead of doing his moaning before the draw, he should have waited. They go to Chelsea on Monday and are home Thursday. Even Burnley can manage going to London for a game, then playing at home three days later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    The Burnley fixture if it becomes an issue will just be played on European night if they are out of Europe. Don't see how the Friday league game and a Monday one will work as they can't play Friday if they play in Europe on Thursday, unless they mean a non Europe week.

    They won't play after the season unless they plant a fake bomb in the toilets again, and if they have an FA Cup Final it leaves less time, but it didn't impact last season winning it and sacking the manager an hour later.

    Won't Man City face similar problems though, the article from Manchester media making out it's only Man Utd. Man City had the same game as Man Utd called off because of League Cup Final, will have a game called off if they beat Huddersfield and then another if they beat Middlesbrough in their Quarter Final, and are still in Europe. They couldn't play one of the called off games on the March 1st free date, as they have Huddersfield then in the replay, so can't play the game against team with the letter S at the start of the name who play in red and white stripes, as they don't even know if it's going to be called off. That leaves their derby game called off for League Cup Final, they can't play it then as it would be too much playing two games in the same stadium at the same time, a lack of foresight from the league there not having a league game played on same pitch at same time as a cup game, or having it straight after despite not knowing if extra time or penalties will be played.

    I don't see why the article is blaming the league, it's not their fault UEFA have this rule. UEFA should be blamed for lack of foresight when they made it so half the last 16 matches are played one week, and half another week, when they use to all be the same week. Last week could have been the first leg for all the games,, this week free and next week the second leg of all the games. Then the week after free so that's when the Manchester teams could have had their derby instead of Man City going to Monaco and Man Utd to Russia.

    If Man Utd lose the Chelsea and Man City win the replay and beat Middlesbrough, then they have the more postponements, so why is the article including the one from the Manchester media. Always painting Man Utd as the victim. Mourinho prefers difficult, then moans about Chelsea game date and about how they have the worst travel from the European draw, despite two other fixtures they could have got that were longer. Instead of doing his moaning before the draw, he should have waited. They go to Chelsea on Monday and are home Thursday. Even Burnley can manage going to London for a game, then playing at home three days later.
    Yeah a clash with a European game is the most likely solution - but that can only happen if they're knocked out of the EL at some stage.

    The Friday-Monday suggestion was only if they were out of Europe and so didn't have to play on the Thursday.

    Yes Man.City are in the same boat, although I suppose it's more likely they'll be knocked out of Europe, so can play a game in semi final week. Although of course, they did reach the CL semis last year.

    I quite like the new UEFA format as it means the games are more spread out, so you can watch more of them. All they need to do is get rid of the rule about not having domestic games on at same time as UEFA ones and suddenly loads of new dates are created for rearranging matches.

    I would have thought Mourinho would now be happy to play Chelsea on the Monday - given the trip to Russia the previous Thursday. Plenty of time to get back and recover for the FA Cup game. But then, he does love a good moan...
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    I though the PL would announce the dates for the rearranged games this week.

    But according to the Southampton website:


    The Premier League has advised Southampton that the dates for the rearranged games against Arsenal and Manchester United will not be decided until at least the last week of March.



    Not sure why they need such a long delay.
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