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    ENGLISH MANAGERS ARE LIVERPOOL'S NEMESIS

    When it comes to Liverpool's results in the Premier League, it seems the biggest factor is the nationality of the man in the opposing dugout.




    So far this season, 4 out of Liverpool's 5 defeats have come against Englishmen - despite the fact that they've only faced English managers 6 times.

    Once Leicester had ditched their Italian leader and replaced him with Birmingham-born Craig Shakespeare, it seems the result was inevitable.







    LIVERPOOL'S PL GAMES v
    NON-ENGLISH MANAGERS
    Arsenal (a)
    Leicester (h)
    Chelsea (a)
    Swansea (a)
    West Brom (h)
    Watford (h)
    Sunderland (h)
    Middlesbrough (a)
    Everton (a)
    Stoke (h)
    Man.City (h)
    Tottenham (h)
    Tottenham (a)
    Man.Utd (h)
    Southampton (a)
    West Ham (h)
    Sunderland (a)
    Man.Utd (a)
    Chelsea (h)
    Hull (a)
    LIVERPOOL'S PL GAMES v
    ENGLISH MANAGERS
    Hull (h) - Phelan
    Crystal Palace (a) - Pardew
    Burnley (a) - Dyche
    Bournemouth (a) - Howe
    Swansea (h) - Clement
    Leicester (a) - Shakespeare

































    KEY
    Win
    Draw
    Lose







    AGAINST NON-ENGLISH MANAGERS:
    W12 D7 L1
    Loss Rate = 5%
    AGAINST ENGLISH MANAGERS:
    W2 D0 L4
    Loss Rate = 67%






    So how many games have Liverpool got left, against English managers?

    Well at the moment there are these three:




    Burnley (h) - Dyche
    Bournemouth (h) - Howe
    Crystal Palace (h) - Allardyce




    But of course there may be more, as any club could do what Leicester did - ditch their foreign boss for an Englishman, just in time to take another 3 points off the Reds...


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    Excellent analysis Darren as always.

    The point is however that we cannot seem to cope with the type of football these teams play against us. And why is that? We have an almost Wenger/Guardiola type attitude it seems when playing the likes of Palace or WBA as in...how dare you not stand back and admire our scintilating football/how dare you tackle us. Klopp is the same and it shows not just in results against these teams but who he picks. He doesnt do leadership at the back, he doesnt do tough tackling defensive MFs. In fact he Guardiola and Wenger just dont do tough and the common link in their 3 teams is a palpable lack of mental toughness.
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    That's a peculiar stat
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    How can we get those managers sacked before we play them.

    Maybe knock them off?

    Just spitballing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    Excellent analysis Darren as always.

    The point is however that we cannot seem to cope with the type of football these teams play against us. And why is that? We have an almost Wenger/Guardiola type attitude it seems when playing the likes of Palace or WBA as in...how dare you not stand back and admire our scintilating football/how dare you tackle us. Klopp is the same and it shows not just in results against these teams but who he picks. He doesnt do leadership at the back, he doesnt do tough tackling defensive MFs. In fact he Guardiola and Wenger just dont do tough and the common link in their 3 teams is a palpable lack of mental toughness.
    I think much of what you say is true... however, we did actually beat both Palace and West Brom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFC-Simon-95 View Post
    That's a peculiar stat
    Yeah it's weird.

    Interesting too that the only English managers we've beaten - Phelan and Pardew - are both no longer there.

    Almost as if their owners said 'You're English and you couldn't beat Liverpool? Get out!'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post
    I think much of what you say is true... however, we did actually beat both Palace and West Brom.
    Last year Palace beat us at home and WBA got a point at our place.
    Look at Bournemouth and Burnley this year too. We need a manager who believes in the beast as well as the beauty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    Last year Palace beat us at home and WBA got a point at our place.
    Look at Bournemouth and Burnley this year too. We need a manager who believes in the beast as well as the beauty.
    The Bournemouth game was more about knowing how to close a game out - something we seemed to do a lot better in the 2nd half against Spurs. So perhaps we're learning in that respect.
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    Fair play to Marco Silva too.

    All these big, famous, foreign managers in the PL - Mourinho, Guardiola, Wenger, Conte, Pochettino, Pulis, Bilic, Moyes, Mazzarri, Koeman, Hughes, Karanka etc etc - yet none of them have been able to beat Liverpool this season.

    But then Silva turns up and shows how it's done.
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    The opposition are catching on, there use to be three English Managers in the league, now five almost doubling.

    Arsenal to sack Wenger and replace him with Ian Wright tomorrow. Unless Southgate somehow manages to get sacked by England.

    By the time we play Palace, the fat one will be replaced by the other fat one.

    Wayne Shaw will then promise his player pies if they keep a clean sheet, copying a certain Italian last season with Pizza. Palace will then beat the drop and win the league next season. Then he will ban chicken burgers the following season, actually no foxes eat chickens, eagles eat fish, so fish burgers.

    The players will play crap and go to the owner to get him sacked, then after he gets sacked with them a goal win away from the last 8 of the Champions League, they will all play their best game of the season thinking it will make it look justified sacking the manager, but instead it makes them look like ***** as the clearly didn't give their all despite pay raise of up to three times the previous wages. The fans who they should be playing for are the one's who've paid these wages, and will rightfully feel ********** off and wanting their money back. No investigation will be launched into why they played crap for the majority of the season and if they threw games to get their manager sacked, as the incident is not as bad as eating a pie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    The opposition are catching on, there use to be three English Managers in the league, now five almost doubling.
    Back in the old days, in the 70s and 80s, there were loads of English managers in Division One. And that's why Liverpool did so badly back then.

    Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrren1 View Post
    yeah it's weird.

    Interesting too that the only english managers we've beaten - phelan and pardew - are both no longer there.

    almost as if their owners said 'you're english and you couldn't beat liverpool? Get out!'.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post
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    ENGLISH MANAGERS ARE LIVERPOOL'S NEMESIS

    When it comes to Liverpool's results in the Premier League, it seems the biggest factor is the nationality of the man in the opposing dugout.




    So far this season, 4 out of Liverpool's 5 defeats have come against Englishmen - despite the fact that they've only faced English managers 6 times.

    Once Leicester had ditched their Italian leader and replaced him with Birmingham-born Craig Shakespeare, it seems the result was inevitable.







    LIVERPOOL'S PL GAMES v
    NON-ENGLISH MANAGERS
    Arsenal (a)
    Leicester (h)
    Chelsea (a)
    Swansea (a)
    West Brom (h)
    Watford (h)
    Sunderland (h)
    Middlesbrough (a)
    Everton (a)
    Stoke (h)
    Man.City (h)
    Tottenham (h)
    Tottenham (a)
    Man.Utd (h)
    Southampton (a)
    West Ham (h)
    Sunderland (a)
    Man.Utd (a)
    Chelsea (h)
    Hull (a)
    LIVERPOOL'S PL GAMES v
    ENGLISH MANAGERS
    Hull (h) - Phelan
    Crystal Palace (a) - Pardew
    Burnley (a) - Dyche
    Bournemouth (a) - Howe
    Swansea (h) - Clement
    Leicester (a) - Shakespeare

































    KEY
    Win
    Draw
    Lose







    AGAINST NON-ENGLISH MANAGERS:
    W12 D7 L1
    Loss Rate = 5%
    AGAINST ENGLISH MANAGERS:
    W2 D0 L4
    Loss Rate = 67%






    So how many games have Liverpool got left, against English managers?

    Well at the moment there are these three:




    Burnley (h) - Dyche
    Bournemouth (h) - Howe
    Crystal Palace (h) - Allardyce




    But of course there may be more, as any club could do what Leicester did - ditch their foreign boss for an Englishman, just in time to take another 3 points off the Reds...


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    we will win the champions league or europa league with that record
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post
    The Bournemouth game was more about knowing how to close a game out - something we seemed to do a lot better in the 2nd half against Spurs. So perhaps we're learning in that respect.
    No we're not. Apart from Chelsea away, City at home and Spurs at home we have been dreadful at seeing games out esp against teams we are supposed to beat. Klopp does not believe in a strong defence and is identical to Rodgers in that respect. Attack! Attack! Attack! is his mantra. Madness. We need better defenders, better GK and at least 2 defensive MFs. if we prioritised them this summer we'd be up there next season. 1.33 goals per game is dreadful and we have been like that since Aug 2012 and so are on course to concede 47-52 goals again this season. You dont win anything by serial conceding or not having any protection for your defence.

    Oh and we still have to play WBA away who are managed by an Englishman i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    No we're not. Apart from Chelsea away, City at home and Spurs at home we have been dreadful at seeing games out esp against teams we are supposed to beat. Klopp does not believe in a strong defence and is identical to Rodgers in that respect. Attack! Attack! Attack! is his mantra. Madness. We need better defenders, better GK and at least 2 defensive MFs. if we prioritised them this summer we'd be up there next season. 1.33 goals per game is dreadful and we have been like that since Aug 2012 and so are on course to concede 47-52 goals again this season. You dont win anything by serial conceding or not having any protection for your defence.

    Oh and we still have to play WBA away who are managed by an Englishman i think.
    Spurs was the most recent game where we had a lead - and in that game we chose to keep it tight in the 2nd half. It may be the new policy going forward, we shall see.

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    Small data set - See "the theory of the stork"
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    I think really it is weaker teams who sit back that are our nemesis

    English managers just tend to manage the weaker teams as they are not considered for the big clubs
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    But we've won loads of games against weaker teams - Middlesbrough (a), Leicester (h), Swansea (a), West Brom (h), Watford (h), Sunderland (h), Everton (a) etc...

    Yet we've only played four games against current, English, PL managers... and we've lost all four!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post
    Yeah it's weird.

    Interesting too that the only English managers we've beaten - Phelan and Pardew - are both no longer there.

    Almost as if their owners said 'You're English and you couldn't beat Liverpool? Get out!'.
    And even when we try to reduce the available English Managers it works out equally as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hodgson
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    We have never won the FA Cup with an English Manager
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    We have never won the FA Cup with an English Manager
    The Owl would have won it, but he didn't get the opportunity. Sadly relieved of his duties just hours before the trip to Old Trafford.

    Must be our only manager to not take charge of an FA cup match.
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    I was feeling confident about the Burnley game, but then I remembered their manager.

    Any chance Ranieri could take over Burnley before Sunday? Even if it's just for the 1 game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrren1 View Post

    So how many games have Liverpool got left, against English managers?

    Well at the moment there are these three:




    Burnley (h) - Dyche
    Bournemouth (h) - Howe
    Crystal Palace (h) - Allardyce




    But of course there may be more, as any club could do what Leicester did - ditch their foreign boss for an Englishman, just in time to take another 3 points off the Reds...


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    So it would seem that Middlesbrough have tried this tactic now. Our last game of the season just got a whole lot harder...
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    Watch Koeman leave Everton before Saturday for his National Team, and Everton bring in Rooney as Manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro-77-78-81-84-05 View Post
    Watch Koeman leave Everton before Saturday for his National Team, and Everton bring in Rooney as Manager.
    I'm looking forward to his insightful post match interviews.
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    * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNIN
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    * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNING.... ENGLISH MANAGER ALERT * * * * * WARNIN
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    The English managers know we don't like it up us and play long, high balls back to front against us. Thats an alien concept to a foreign manager, including Klopp, which is why he hasn't got a scooby about how to handle it.
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