no thanks ,, weill have every immigrant. tom **** and harry coming up here , baws to that
Those are the terms of leaving the Union.
You can't expect the rest of the UK to suffer if Independence tanks and takes the currency with it.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is quite right for Scotland to go it alone if they so wish.
But they have to be prepared for what that entails.
As Shiny says, Independence is indeed the talk of the town at the moment, most people are discussing it today but not many in a positive manner - mostly people's anger that Sturgeon, the one trick pony, has once again put personal politics before the well being of her country.. She deliberately chose the timing to take the headlines from the Lords vote and plaster her face on to TV screens and newspapers across the country.. The woman has an ego the the size of Ben Nevis, in common with her predecessor..
Shiny is also correct that the last referendum (2014) politicised many Scots - however, politicising is only beneficial if it is based in fact and reality, not pride and passion.. during the last campaign many people (Yes voters) were swept away on a nationalist wave of unwarranted optimism by lying Nationalist politicians and cyber-activists.. They promised prosperity based largely on an oil boom and renewable energy while conveniently ignoring the currency issue, the UK trade issue, the NATO issue, the Debt issue, the structural deficit issue (highest in Europe if I am not mistaken) - I remember Salmond's response when questioned about the pitfalls of using Sterling post-Independence, "Tosh, we'll use our pound if we want to!" - In one glib sentence he somehow changed what in reality is a glaring case against Independence, into a case for it - and astonishingly, many believed him and voted Yes!.. that is politicising alright, making people believe in a falsehood, or worse, that the falsehood is somehow beneficial.. It was the SNP 'driving the bus towards the cliff' in 2014 and if they had gotten their way we would have been staring at a £15bn black-hole in our finances.. not fear-mongering, not fake news, not Westmonster lies - Fifteen Billion Pounds! - Go check the accounts, they are there and they are very real..
Now I know it's unpalatable for Scots to hear that we need our rUK neighbours, (especially England) - it's a dagger to the heart, as it implies that we are dependent, weak somehow - but that is not the case, we need each other, equally, the strength is in our unity and we will not see it until it's gone.. It is simple - the case for Independence cannot be made on economic grounds - it just doesn't exist, whether inside or outside the EU - and for anyone who has a job, mortgage or family, this is the only rational conclusion..
Which brings me to my final point - there is an important fact that people should understand about the SNP because it seems to me that their cute and cuddly front fools people - they do not want Independence because they think it will be better for Scotland - they want Independence regardless of whether it is better or not - they would watch the country burn for the chance to rule over the ashes.. Their actions this week prove it - they want to damage the UK, the negotiations, and the final agreement - for their own self-interest - not yours, or mine..
I will be voting NO and I just hope Scots live up to their reputation of canniness, because the future looks bleak otherwise..
What I said is that Spain wouldn't block Scotland joining the EU (please note that I said joining and not staying which is a different thing). How long that would take? The average is about 10 years.
I have read some suggestions that Scotland could stay part of the EEA, well this is a possibility I guess but EEA members don't get any subsidies from the EU, in fact they need to contribute to the EU budget to keep access to the single market.
I have already said that the economic argument is a flawed one. There will be years where Scotland will be growing more than the UK and others that will be the other way around, this is impossible to predict in the long term as there are too many variables, so it is pointless to discuss it. At the end of the day is about each individual to decide whether they want to be part of the United Kingdom or become an independent country. You either feel British or you don't.
scotland should give us another chance. if in 10 years they are still being shunned by westminster then break off from a united kingdom
When the Romans invaded many Battalion left England go north of the border where the Romans built Hadrian's Wall
here they met up with the Irish druids.
And then wasn't it the king Longshanks flooded Scotland with all the English Lords try destroy Scotland within
Without wider context. It wasn't just independence, but a complete change in their entire economic ideology.When did I say that Slovakia started to grow thanks to the independance? I did say that they started to trade more with other countries.
When they independent, they had their own currency, then joined the euro. If that's the SNP plan, they should be clear about it.No idea what the crisis in Ireland in 2008 has to do with them becoming independent 90 years earlier. do you mean they shouldn't have become independent in the first place? Bizarre reasoning.
Well then, Scotland won't miss them then if they themselves seek and achieve independence. Sturgeon should mention that too.At current oil prices these oilfields are worth very little plus i wouldnt call that massive, in fact compared to the major producers they are diminute.
Milford Haven has been suggested, but I'd say Plymouth is more likely.Il take them here in Wales, along with building the new naval ships.
Be a good boost to the Welsh economy with thousands of jobs moved from Scotland down here.
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Or are you saying that a Scot cannot be a proud Scot if he/she also considers themselves to be British?.. are the two things mutually exclusive?..
The debt is 1.7 Trillion of which roughly 10% belongs to the Scottish taxpayer..
The UK fiscal deficit is circa 3.3% - Scotland's circa 9.7%..
Public spending in Scotland is £1000 per head higher than in England - imagine it were the other way round!
I could go on but why bother - people already have their minds made up and if there is one thing 2014 taught me, is that the facts don't matter to the converted..
Good on them.
Wish I could get out too.
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