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    So the season starts on Sunday in Australia with so many questions - Who will win the title? Can Bottas compete with Hamilton? Can Ferraris test pace translate to wins and points? Can Red Bulls chassis make up for their lack of engine power? Will McLaren finish a race etc.

    Here is the driver line up for the sesaon -


    Mercedes Lewis Hamilton & Valtteri Bottas

    Red Bull Daniel Ricciardo & Max Verstappen

    Ferrari Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen

    Force India Sergio Perez & Esteban Ocon

    Williams Felipe Massa & Lance Stroll

    McLaren Fernando Alonso & Stoffel Vandoorne

    Toro Rosso Carlos Sainz & Daniil Kvyat

    Haas Romain Grosjean & Kevin Magnussen

    Renault Nico Hulkenberg & Jolyon Palmer

    Sauber Marcus Ericsson & Pascal Wehrlein



    Whats everyones predictions?


    Australian Grand Prix
    26 Mar

    2. Chinese Grand Prix
    9 Apr

    3. Bahrain Grand Prix
    16 Apr

    4. Russian Grand Prix
    30 Apr

    5. Spanish Grand Prix
    14 May

    6. Monaco Grand Prix
    28 May

    7. Canadian Grand Prix
    11 Jun

    8. Azerbaijan Grand Prix
    25 Jun

    9. Austrian Grand Prix
    09 Jul

    10. British Grand Prix
    16 Jul

    11. Hungarian Grand Prix
    30 Jul

    12. Belgian Grand Prix
    27 Aug

    13. Italian Grand Prix
    03 Sep

    14. Singapore Grand Prix
    17 Sep

    15. Malaysian Grand Prix
    01 Oct

    16. Japanese Grand Prix
    08 Oct

    17. United States Grand Prix
    22 Oct

    18. Mexican Grand Prix
    29 Oct

    19. Brazilian Grand Prix
    12 Nov

    20. Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
    26 Nov
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    Overtaking will prove to be nearly impossible because of the increased air turbulence for cars trying to overtake.

    Perez will be fired mid season for being fat.

    Williams will fire a driver: Could be either. One a retired has-been and one a rich mans teenage son. Take yr pick.

    Verstappen won't progress as the heavier, more physically demanding cars will be beyond his strength to manage.

    Alonso will move teams mid-season to Williams.

    McLaren will dump Honda or viceversa.

    Ferrari will offer a serious challenge to Mercedes.

    Palmer will be a surprise points scorer.

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    Last edited by kickthetyres; 23-3-17 at 16:55. Reason: In jest or not, its a no no, sorry
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    Vettel wins down under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    Vettel wins down under.
    Think so. If Hamilton's assessment is anything to go by then Ferarri have come strong again and Vettel could get another title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Think so. If Hamilton's assessment is anything to go by then Ferarri have come strong again and Vettel could get another title.
    Don't forget Ferrari were fastest in last seasons preseason so it's a bit like thinking we're gonna win he league on the back of a 4-0 win against Barca

    I just hope for more shared victories this season

    Could be intriguing
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Don't forget Ferrari were fastest in last seasons preseason so it's a bit like thinking we're gonna win he league on the back of a 4-0 win against Barca

    I just hope for more shared victories this season

    Could be intriguing
    True enough, plenty of sandbagging going on at this stage of the season as well so who knows who has been hiding what? Hopefully not another season of processions or else F1 will lose yet more followers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Think so. If Hamilton's assessment is anything to go by then Ferarri have come strong again and Vettel could get another title.
    Mind games I think. I don't think Mercedes had their engines turned up fully in testing - but even at that Ferrari will be closer.

    I think Bottas will do well against Lewis too, he's calm and collected and I think that will serve him well.
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    I believe Hamilton will regain the World Title this season. I'm sure Mercedes have been downplaying their speed in testing as usual, and they'll have an awesome car come the opening race.

    It will be interesting to see if Ferrari in particular can threaten them though, and once again it's difficult to gauge their true pace from testing results. Hopefully they can challenge the Mercs.

    Red Bull will also be fascinating this year, no doubt retaining their normally wonderful chassis, with question marks about engine power being their biggest problem.

    Beyond these, McLaren appear to be going backwards again with severe engine problems. I'd love to see Alonso win another race this year but somehow I just can't see it with the latest Honda engine's faults.

    As for the rest, I'm hoping for one or two spectacular drives from the young and relatively unknown guys in the mid-to-back cars this year, perhaps with a new talent beginning to establish himself.

    Mainly I'm hoping for some genuinely close racing at or near the front - perhaps a forlorn hope but I'm dreaming nevertheless.
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    Hamilton Fastest in practice. Here's the practice two timesheet -

    Australian GP Practice Two Timesheet

    1. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:23.620
    2. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari + 0.547
    3. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes + 0.556
    4. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari + 0.905
    5. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull +1.030
    6. Max Verstappen, Red Bull +1.393
    7. Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso +1.464
    8. Romain Grosjean, Haas +1.816
    9. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault +1.858
    10. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso +1.873
    11. Sergio Perez, Force India +1.971
    12. Fernando Alonso, McLaren +2.380
    13. Esteban Ocon, Force India +2.525
    14. Felipe Massa, Williams +2.711
    15. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber +2.878
    16. Lance Stroll, Williams +2.905
    17. Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren +2.988
    18. Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber +3.299
    19. Kevin Magnussen, Haas +3.659
    20. Jolyon Palmer, Renault +3.929


    Red bull struggling a bit for pace and McLaren look a bit stronger than I was expecting at this stage. Qualifying tomorrow should be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Hamilton Fastest in practice. Here's the practice two timesheet -

    Australian GP Practice Two Timesheet

    1. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:23.620
    2. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari + 0.547
    3. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes + 0.556
    4. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari + 0.905
    5. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull +1.030
    6. Max Verstappen, Red Bull +1.393
    7. Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso +1.464
    8. Romain Grosjean, Haas +1.816
    9. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault +1.858
    10. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso +1.873
    11. Sergio Perez, Force India +1.971
    12. Fernando Alonso, McLaren +2.380
    13. Esteban Ocon, Force India +2.525
    14. Felipe Massa, Williams +2.711
    15. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber +2.878
    16. Lance Stroll, Williams +2.905
    17. Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren +2.988
    18. Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber +3.299
    19. Kevin Magnussen, Haas +3.659
    20. Jolyon Palmer, Renault +3.929


    Red bull struggling a bit for pace and McLaren look a bit stronger than I was expecting at this stage. Qualifying tomorrow should be interesting.
    Red Bull is a surprise, it's disappointing to see Mercedes half a second ahead it would have been great to see them 3/4/5 or something, MClaren hopefully can turn it round - funny when they were winning everything I wanted them to lose but now they're **** I'd love to see them up there !
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    Williams very poor. I assume they still get exactly the same engine as Mercedes? So if their times are realistic my prediction up top about firing driver might happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    Williams very poor. I assume they still get exactly the same engine as Mercedes? So if their times are realistic my prediction up top about firing driver might happen.
    Yeah they run the same engines. Massa won't be fired, he's done them a favour to come back at relatively short notice and with a rookie in the other seat his data and input are valuable,

    Stroll isn't likely to be fired either due the amount of money his dad has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Yeah they run the same engines. Massa won't be fired, he's done them a favour to come back at relatively short notice and with a rookie in the other seat his data and input are valuable,

    Stroll isn't likely to be fired either due the amount of money his dad has.
    completely agree. It was a joke prediction, but if one was to go I think it would be Massa. Not sure about retiring and then coming back, but still as you say it would be a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    completely agree. It was a joke prediction, but if one was to go I think it would be Massa. Not sure about retiring and then coming back, but still as you say it would be a surprise.
    Stranger things have happened in F1 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    completely agree. It was a joke prediction, but if one was to go I think it would be Massa. Not sure about retiring and then coming back, but still as you say it would be a surprise.
    Massa is what, 34/5 now? Loads of experience in an F1 seat, don't believe Williams can afford to be too picky just now. But, you never know, F1 is an unpredictable business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    Massa is what, 34/5 now? Loads of experience in an F1 seat, don't believe Williams can afford to be too picky just now. But, you never know, F1 is an unpredictable business.
    I think Paul Di Resta is still the reserve driver there?

    I really like him as well, don't think he got a fair chance in F1, although hes a really good commentator/analyst
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    I watched the driver press conference last night. They split it in two. The first four drivers were Hamilton, vettel, Alonso and Ricardio. They were good to listen to. Joking and answering the questions. Then the next four came on. It was like watching paint dry or better still like listening to a raikonen interview. This must be their first change (Liberty) and it worked for the first part, but second part was like previous years.

    Good that Dieter Rencken is still there asking questions. Usually hard ones, but his last night was "what's it like driving a pink car".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    I watched the driver press conference last night. They split it in two. The first four drivers were Hamilton, vettel, Alonso and Ricardio. They were good to listen to. Joking and answering the questions. Then the next four came on. It was like watching paint dry or better still like listening to a raikonen interview. This must be their first change (Liberty) and it worked for the first part, but second part was like previous years.

    Good that Dieter Rencken is still there asking questions. Usually hard ones, but his last night was "what's it like driving a pink car".
    Anything Ricciardo is part of Is usually enjoyable
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Anything Ricciardo is part of Is usually enjoyable
    True. I really like him. I'm just watching the team principals press conference at the moment. This is a bit like paint drying too. Dieter Rencken asking a question about Bernie.......they are still scared of him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    True. I really like him. I'm just watching the team principals press conference at the moment. This is a bit like paint drying too. Dieter Rencken asking a question about Bernie.......they are still scared of him!
    Me too, just a shame he drives for Red Bull.

    Liberty Media did the right thing in getting rid of him, he's been in F1 for too long and for all the good he has done for the sport more recently he's been making crazier and crazier decisions.

    Just put a little bet on for this, Bottas to win is 6/1 which is way overpriced and is based on practice alone which a bit like testing can't always be read into too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Me too, just a shame he drives for Red Bull.

    Liberty Media did the right thing in getting rid of him, he's been in F1 for too long and for all the good he has done for the sport more recently he's been making crazier and crazier decisions.

    Just put a little bet on for this, Bottas to win is 6/1 which is way overpriced and is based on practice alone which a bit like testing can't always be read into too much.
    You're right about Daniel Ricciardo, he has immense talent and a genuinely friendly, endearing manner. I wish him all the best.

    As for Bernie, he had everyone scared one way or another, it's how he ruled the roost for so long, but I think finally his time has come and gone.

    Finally regarding your bet -Chris-, I think they're excellent odds for someone in a Mercedes, especially with the unknown vagaries of testing still to be ironed out.
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    Well that was a tight!

    Hamilton pole
    Vettel second
    Bottas third
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Well that was a tight!

    Hamilton pole
    Vettel second
    Bottas third
    I was raging during first Q when there was no data on the TV. But when they finally got the new stuff going I was very pleased. This new coloured boxes to show how driver is doing in every section is excellent. You can see over a sector if he has matched, personal best or best time. I like that.

    Gossjean 6th is the outstanding performance so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    I was raging during first Q when there was no data on the TV. But when they finally got the new stuff going I was very pleased. This new coloured boxes to show how driver is doing in every section is excellent. You can see over a sector if he has matched, personal best or best time. I like that.

    Gossjean 6th is the outstanding performance so far.
    Yeah that new graphic is really good!

    Stroll and Palmer really struggled today, feel for them a bit. Palmer says the balance on his car wasn't right at all which you can believe but that's his own fault for sticking it in the wall on Friday.

    Stroll did the same in practice 3 and that really put the pressure on him to stick a lap in quickly.
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    Vettel to win tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Vettel to win tomorrow
    Only if the Mercedes breaks down. On the long runs on Friday Vettel was mucho slower than Hamilton. There is no feathering or holding back on the long runs, so I would be surprised if anyone gets near Hamilton and I expect Bottas to finish second. So no change to last year. Mercedes utter domination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    Only if the Mercedes breaks down. On the long runs on Friday Vettel was mucho slower than Hamilton. There is no feathering or holding back on the long runs, so I would be surprised if anyone gets near Hamilton and I expect Bottas to finish second. So no change to last year. Mercedes utter domination.
    Vettel wins tomorrow

    Trust me
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    Here we go, anyone else up for this?
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    Doesn't look like Ricciardo is going to take part here
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    Huge chance for Vettel now. Hamilton pits into traffic.
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