Last edited by GrottonRed; 21-4-17 at 18:20. Reason: no more personal stuff please
Avoiding controversy: 5/10
FSG have done well off the field, the renovated main stand, the hiring of Klopp have helped their image
However, fansí patience had been tested by the Americanís devotion to Moneyball and patchy (at best) record in the transfer market.
Ticket price protests and the Annie Road stand remain a thorn in their side....
Likewise the lack of success on the pitch......
One top 4 finish in 7 seasons, a constant reminder at their failure to establish LFC back to the top of English football
That is why their communication is low, coz no one knows what they want to achieve
Bournemouth, nearly out of existence to the premier league - all FSG get is splinters everytime they scratch their heads
Southampton must doing something better, we keep buying their players
Coates and Kenwright remind me of the Moores era
Swansea had the plan that made FSG want their manager
So, Like I said - all showed more than FSG
You could argue Leeds showed ambition, just spent poorly and mortgaged their future on top four finishes the manager/team couldn't deliver. How ambitious are a lot of the takeover owners around? If they aren't mega rich like at chelski, citeh, or able to tap into the club's size established in the case of the mancs, who has gone out and been bold enough in ambition, bold enough to take a gamble..............?
We'll see if palace are "ambitious" if/when they bid for Sakho, so many of these smaller clubs take much smaller gambles. We diddled Bournemouth it would seem for £15m (Ibe), but given the money the clubs got this season that's barely much of a gamble of the club's future. Some of the clubs make daring ventures into the transfer market, bold moves for players who were once highly rated, but so many of the clubs just pick up scraps off top clubs and look around for bargains knowing what they spend will likely be mostly recouped, they may even be able to sell for a large amount, but if we're talking "ambitious" then surely any "selling club" has to be excluded and how many of them resist and hang on to their best players?!?
Surely if they had "ambition" they'd make more progress, only the few that come up make much in the way of progress (from avoiding relegation to midtable or some bashes at top 7-10) but that's establishing yourself, almost a rite of passage for clubs coming up. bitters have for a long time looked at top 8-10 as their level with any ventures into Europe a bonus, maintain steady finances and sell star players at a premium while looking to bring in the next bargain that will sustain that. They haven't moved from that for a long time, not since they ran risks of relegation, yet what is being sold as "ambition" (on the part of the owner) is minimum expectation here.
I'm sure FSG's "ambition" is not to remain where we are/were, and they've backed the manager with money enough over the past few years to at least challenge for top 4, and the absurd thread "should we be anywhere near top 4" can readily be exposed by showing our finishes in the last few seasons by points behind 4th :
16/17 : (currently in top 4 after 33 games)
15/16 : 6 points off 4th
14/15 : 8 points off 4th
13/14 : -5 points off 4th (runners-up)
12/13 : 12 points off 4th
11/12 : 17 points off 4th
10/11 : 10 points off 4th
09/10 : 7 points off 4th
Rafa was dispensed with in spite of his weakest season in terms of league finishes and points off 4th being in the same region as the best finishes we didn't finish in the top 4 - excluding this season as incomplete, 6 and 8 points off being the comparable ones to the 7 he finished behind in his last season.
But the main point is if you count being within 6-8 points as being somewhere near a top 4 finish then it's been THREE seasons since we didn't achieve this much. Even 10 points off isn't a million miles, but perhaps we see the (non net) spending and question if we shouldn't be doing better, and not finishing in the top four as we often end up doing just makes it very negative - that and net spend warping an increasing number of people's judgement.
Would I swap FSG for any other Premier League owners? In all honesty I'd say the owners at chelski, citeh and, maybe kneejerk to their last couple of seasons, spudz. I would not want the window people anywhere near here, 30m is close enough thank you, and Arsenal's have been too cautious or perhaps not demanded enough of Wenger in the transfer market if you blame him for what seems to conservative a signing approach for the seasons they spend/spent in the top 4. As for ron's list, not sure why he is producing a list of owners of whom only one should even be mentioned in the same kind of sentences/posts as FSG
FSG have backed Klopp and he's said as much. He's said there is never an issue regarding asking the owners for money. He chose not to spend. If the reports are true, he's already identified his primary targets for the summer and has already been given the owners blessing to spend. How much he spends is the question rather than how much he has to spend.
We're moving in a positive direction, everything is adding up nicely.
This season was the dress rehearsal and whilst the others with the exception of Chelsea and spent vast sums and flopped. Klopp has kept his cards held tightly to his chest. This time around when his primary targets are available, he's going to flex his muscles. It could take just 3 players to turn Liverpool into winners. That's in the spine, centre half, central midfield and upfront.
Everything else such as width and left back is peripheral. He doesn't need to spend huge in those areas. The majority of his spending should and I expect it to be, in those three key areas.
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