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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    You know who runs yougov right?
    Wow just had a look didn't know that.
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    For the first time since 2010 I'm voting Labour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    For the first time since 2010 I'm voting Labour.
    Red or dead, brother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHIL. View Post
    Red or dead, brother...
    I was green two years ago. Here we have a choice between a Lib Dem or Labour candidate, and the Lib Dem is just a Tory in a yellow tie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I was green two years ago. Here we have a choice between a Lib Dem or Labour candidate, and the Lib Dem is just a Tory in a yellow tie.
    Likewise mate. Green usually get my vote, but thinking strategically here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I was green two years ago. Here we have a choice between a Lib Dem or Labour candidate, and the Lib Dem is just a Tory in a yellow tie.
    Voting Lab where i live (if you are doing it not just out of conscience but with an idea they may win) is a complete waste of time. They weigh the Tory vote here.
    My conscience wont allow me to vote Lib Dem after what they did 2010-2015. Any idea they were a progressive centre or centre left party went out the window and i cant forgive them for propping up Osborne and his cuts, cuts we're still seeing now. Now that was class war in its ugliest guise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    Voting Lab where i live (if you are doing it not just out of conscience but with an idea they may win) is a complete waste of time. They weigh the Tory vote here.
    My conscience wont allow me to vote Lib Dem after what they did 2010-2015. Any idea they were a progressive centre or centre left party went out the window and i cant forgive them for propping up Osborne and his cuts, cuts we're still seeing now. Now that was class war in its ugliest guise.
    I hate the lib dems for selling out over tuition fees...and for, in general being useless *****.

    but I'd still vote for them to keep the Tory out of my constituency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S_7 View Post
    Yeah but still even if you ask people from all areas, you're getting tiny representations. Who intprets whether someone is mis-reporting? What if their views are clouding their judgement of how people have answered questions. There are too many variables to try and guess what the country is going to do. I honestly thought that remain would win. I didn't think Trump would win. Neither did the polls, it's just so unpredictable.
    Fair points and I don't have the answer definitively. However, if someone was to answer in a certain way eg strong leadership or the state of the NHS then labour/ukip or the conservatives will be ruled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    I hate the lib dems for selling out over tuition fees...and for, in general being useless *****.

    but I'd still vote for them to keep the Tory out of my constituency.
    I voted LibDems in every election I voted in upto 2010, but after their despicable U-turn on tuition fees I said I'd never vote for them again whilst Clegg is there. I got my degree years ago when we had grants, and that's the way it should still be not this tuition fees crap. I'm still the only person in my family ever to go to Uni, but my son wants to go and the thought of him having a huge financial millstone round his neck worries me.
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    I'd vote anyway that would get rid of the conservatives and their awful austerity policies.
    It's worse than the Thatcher years, and yet still people vote for them.

    I was always a Labour voter, but they won't get in in my constituency, so I'll vote SNP like last time and then hope for independence as soon as possible (but that's another discussion altogether..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach791 View Post
    You think personality is what a public servant needs? The reason he cannot unite his own party is because corporate servants have joined the Labour party and work on behalf of the Conservatives.

    Unless Labour turn into the New Conservatives you cannot unite that party. Corbyn won twice with landslides for leadership.
    You need many things along with personality, Corbyn should resign after he loses the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    I hate the lib dems for selling out over tuition fees...and for, in general being useless *****.

    but I'd still vote for them to keep the Tory out of my constituency.
    How long in politics should we hold past policy choices over the current leadership? Although the Lib Dems did introduce income tax to pay for an illegal war. Oh wait that was a previous incarnation who did that in 1798 and it was against the French.

    Also if we have a coalition government shouldn't we expect the government programme will be a merger of the partners' manifestos accepting that advertised red lines should be honoured during negotiations.
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    There is a lot of time before June 8th, although if May does not debate and manages to avoid adverse comments because of this, which is unlikely, there will be less movement in the polls than usually found in a general election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    I hate the lib dems for selling out over tuition fees...and for, in general being useless *****.

    but I'd still vote for them to keep the Tory out of my constituency.
    Yes I can see why folks would do that but thats what happened in 2010 with people doing exactly that. And then we had the most rw govt ever with Lib Dems supporting the most reactionary policies. Few saw that coming but it happened. Dont trust Lib Dems an inch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    How long in politics should we hold past policy choices over the current leadership? Although the Lib Dems did introduce income tax to pay for an illegal war. Oh wait that was a previous incarnation who did that in 1798 and it was against the French.

    Also if we have a coalition government shouldn't we expect the government programme will be a merger of the partners' manifestos accepting that advertised red lines should be honoured during negotiations.
    Without doubt the Lib Dems were the junior partners. I can only think of pupil premiums and the rise in pers allowances (which actually benefit the rich far more) as being Lib Dem policies that were put into law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    Yes I can see why folks would do that but thats what happened in 2010 with people doing exactly that. And then we had the most rw govt ever with Lib Dems supporting the most reactionary policies. Few saw that coming but it happened. Dont trust Lib Dems an inch.
    That was a left wing government compared to what will happen if the Tories get a 50+ majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    Without doubt the Lib Dems were the junior partners. I can only think of pupil premiums and the rise in pers allowances (which actually benefit the rich far more) as being Lib Dem policies that were put into law.
    They also achieved the referendum on changing the voting system from fptp to av but I believe they were asking for PR in their manifesto.

    I would say that whilst everyone benefits from the changes in the personal allowance the low paid were the major winners. Along with to guarantee that there was no screw job of Cameron calling for an election mid term the fixed term Parliament is a great idea with the two caveats that if the house agrees (2/3rds in favour) or there is a loss in confidence by the house in the government an early election can be triggered.

    I would also argue that they may have reined in some of the excesses of the Tories as Clegg did refuse an EU referendum for what he saw as an internal Tory issue along with apart from a rainbow alliance involving the majority of the remaining parties - the other options were a cautious minority government or a rerun very quickly like the two elections in 74
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    Ensure you are registered to have the opportunity to vote/not vote/intentionally spoil your vote. Deadline is 22nd May

    https://www.gov.uk/browse/citizenship/voting

    For general elections registered adults (18yo+) who are British, Irish or Commonwealth citizens living in the UK or British citizens living overseas who have registered in the last 15 years AND there is no legal reason they have been excluded from voting.

    If you are not local to your constituency for whatever reason there are also deadlines for registering a postal vote or voting by proxy.
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    So what do we have in Theresa May, the woman who will be the next PM. A woman who always keeps her promises has called an election she promised not to, in order to obtain a mandate she already has for a policy she said was a bad idea. Great start eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    They also achieved the referendum on changing the voting system from fptp to av but I believe they were asking for PR in their manifesto.

    I would say that whilst everyone benefits from the changes in the personal allowance the low paid were the major winners. Along with to guarantee that there was no screw job of Cameron calling for an election mid term the fixed term Parliament is a great idea with the two caveats that if the house agrees (2/3rds in favour) or there is a loss in confidence by the house in the government an early election can be triggered.

    I would also argue that they may have reined in some of the excesses of the Tories as Clegg did refuse an EU referendum for what he saw as an internal Tory issue along with apart from a rainbow alliance involving the majority of the remaining parties - the other options were a cautious minority government or a rerun very quickly like the two elections in 74
    Palpable nonsense. Everyone knows that the main beneficiaries in hikes in PAs are the well off. The IFS has said so repeatedly every time the govt raise PAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    You need many things along with personality, Corbyn should resign after he loses the election.
    he won't mouldi he always stands up for what he believes in, a politician who actually cares, he didn't vote for the war on iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    You need many things along with personality, Corbyn should resign after he loses the election.
    Ignore the figurehead for the second and look at the policies. Do you agree with them?

    Labour under Corbyn has finally got back to the policies that matter and moved away from being about Tory-lite party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghyllred View Post
    So what do we have in Theresa May, the woman who will be the next PM. A woman who always keeps her promises has called an election she promised not to, in order to obtain a mandate she already has for a policy she said was a bad idea. Great start eh?
    and going back on self employed tax, which she believed in. and school funding, schools in more rural areas losing out.

    may will let her party run roughshod over the uk, even if she is strong and cares about the people of britain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Em-inLeam View Post
    Ignore the figurehead for the second and look at the policies. Do you agree with them?

    Labour under Corbyn has finally got back to the policies that matter and moved away from being about Tory-lite party.
    And are sinking fast in the polls. If people agree with him and his policies so much, then why are they losing safe seats such as Copeland?

    The UK has never been a socialistically inclined country. Labour won 3 elections in a row because they occupied the centre ground. They moved further to the left under Ed Miliband and lost the last election - what makes you think that lurching even further to the left will make the result of this election any different?

    To win an election, you have to be able to appeal to the electorate as a whole. I just don't feel that Corbyn does this.
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    If the result of a poll of posters on this page was released Labour would be elected. I was hoping to read some informed debate, but it looks like it's all tactical voting on here. Let me know if anyone talks about policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Em-inLeam View Post
    Ignore the figurehead for the second and look at the policies. Do you agree with them?

    Labour under Corbyn has finally got back to the policies that matter and moved away from being about Tory-lite party.
    There also another issue with simply 'taxing the rich.' The rich are wealthy enough to simply up sticks and leave, taking their money with them. Those earning 70K plus may well also be tempted to look for jobs abroad. If that happened, how would that gap be plugged?

    Creating a hostile tax environment simply because a certain percentage have more money than anyone else isn't the answer, particularly in light of Brexit. Having a tax friendly environment is more likely to encourage domestic entrepreneurs but also, attract more offshore investment as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    And are sinking fast in the polls. If people agree with him and his policies so much, then why are they losing safe seats such as Copeland?

    The UK has never been a socialistically inclined country. Labour won 3 elections in a row because they occupied the centre ground. They moved further to the left under Ed Miliband and lost the last election - what makes you think that lurching even further to the left will make the result of this election any different?

    To win an election, you have to be able to appeal to the electorate as a whole. I just don't feel that Corbyn does this.
    they're not moving to the centre ground, because they believe in fairness. they have to undo 7 years of austerity, cuts to public services while at the same time the deficit has hardly been touched the rich have got even richer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    If the result of a poll of posters on this page was released Labour would be elected. I was hoping to read some informed debate, but it looks like it's all tactical voting on here. Let me know if anyone talks about policy.
    informed debate? stuff that, voting for a party mainly based on brexit is foolish. so if we don't vote tory, they won't make a success of brexit? pull the other leg
    an increased majority for the tories with brexit is probably the worst thing core labour could of hoped for
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates View Post
    they're not moving to the centre ground, because they believe in fairness. they have to undo 7 years of austerity, cuts to public services while at the same time the deficit has hardly been touched the rich have got even richer.
    None of the polls, or recent bi-election & local council election results suggest this. If people were moving more to the left, then there would be evidence to support this. There isn't.
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    Total Fantasy , I hope with all my heart that this election is the total and complete demise of the Labour Party , with a huge massive thankyou to Mr Corbyn , he has to be the most diabolical excuse for a human being there ever has been , All we need now to complete the joy would be to see Tony Blair prosecuted and jailed for the rest of his natural . Its almost embarrassing that his wife is almost a scoucer ,??? Bring on UKIP and Nigel Farange. I think Ms May will be a very good negotiator for the UK in Brexit Talks ,I believe she will get the UK out of the sinking EU and put ore money back into British hands. I also hopes she STOPS ALL immigration for 5 yrs and re=assesses the situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edinburgher View Post
    If the result of a poll of posters on this page was released Labour would be elected. I was hoping to read some informed debate, but it looks like it's all tactical voting on here. Let me know if anyone talks about policy.
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