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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Better than just handing the ball over to the opposition when you've run out of ideas after 6 go's.
    Pick n drive.

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    Anyway, should we be near the top 4? Ya, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Topper- View Post
    Anyway, should we be near the top 4? Ya, for sure.
    Yes, definitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Topper- View Post
    Anyway, should we be near the top 4? Ya, for sure.
    Well, we are not top 3 because of fluke or being lucky. I think we have deserved it. Record against the top teams is good. Home record this season has been good. Managing to win games against the teams we should be beating. And managing to cope without key players at times, not having to rely on one man.

    The future looks good under Klopp for us. So yes, we def deserve to be in the top 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Well, we are not top 3 because of fluke or being lucky. I think we have deserved it. Record against the top teams is good. Home record this season has been good. Managing to win games against the teams we should be beating. And managing to cope without key players at times, not having to rely on one man.

    The future looks good under Klopp for us. So yes, we def deserve to be in the top 3.
    We deserve to be where we are because we accumulated the points. However the reason we're not challenging Chelsea for the title is depth of squad. I don't blame Klopp or FSG for that. Klopp said he would sign the players he wants and doesn't want alternatives. He could easily have signed players he never really wanted.

    To challenge next season, depth of squad is needed. He needs strength in key areas. If the media reports are correct he's identified those key areas. According to this morning's Mirror, he's going all out to qualify for the CL to lure the likes of Lacazzette and Nabi Keita.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    We deserve to be where we are because we accumulated the points. However the reason we're not challenging Chelsea for the title is depth of squad. I don't blame Klopp or FSG for that. Klopp said he would sign the players he wants and doesn't want alternatives. He could easily have signed players he never really wanted.

    To challenge next season, depth of squad is needed. He needs strength in key areas. If the media reports are correct he's identified those key areas. According to this morning's Mirror, he's going all out to qualify for the CL to lure the likes of Lacazzette and Nabi Keita.
    Buy not signing second choices in January, leaves more money for the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    We deserve to be where we are because we accumulated the points. However the reason we're not challenging Chelsea for the title is depth of squad. I don't blame Klopp or FSG for that. Klopp said he would sign the players he wants and doesn't want alternatives. He could easily have signed players he never really wanted.

    To challenge next season, depth of squad is needed. He needs strength in key areas. If the media reports are correct he's identified those key areas. According to this morning's Mirror, he's going all out to qualify for the CL to lure the likes of Lacazzette and Nabi Keita.
    The Mirror? Click bait by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    Buy not signing second choices in January, leaves more money for the summer.
    That's the whole point of it. That's a sensible approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    We deserve to be where we are because we accumulated the points. However the reason we're not challenging Chelsea for the title is depth of squad. I don't blame Klopp or FSG for that. Klopp said he would sign the players he wants and doesn't want alternatives. He could easily have signed players he never really wanted.

    To challenge next season, depth of squad is needed. He needs strength in key areas. If the media reports are correct he's identified those key areas. According to this morning's Mirror, he's going all out to qualify for the CL to lure the likes of Lacazzette and Nabi Keita.
    We are where we are - no one can argue that point

    We haven't won enough games to be any further along -
    Chelsea have 24 wins, - they have messed up 8 times and dropped points with 3 draws and 5 losses
    Spurs have 21 wins, - they have messed up 11 times and dropped points with 8 draws and 3 losses

    Whereas we only have 19 wins, 9 draws and 5 losses and we have the worst goals conceded total in the top 7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    We are where we are - no one can argue that point

    We haven't won enough games to be any further along -
    Chelsea have 24 wins, - they have messed up 8 times and dropped points with 3 draws and 5 losses
    Spurs have 21 wins, - they have messed up 11 times and dropped points with 8 draws and 3 losses

    Whereas we only have 19 wins, 9 draws and 5 losses and we have the worst goals conceded total in the top 7
    But being 3rd isn't that bad.

    We also are the top scorers of the league too and haven't lost any matches against the top 6 this season. It's clear where our balance needs to be which is where you mention, at the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    But being 3rd isn't that bad.

    We also are the top scorers of the league too and haven't lost any matches against the top 6 this season. It's clear where our balance needs to be which is where you mention, at the back.
    conceding goals and dropped points isn't just about the defenders Mac
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    We are where we are - no one can argue that point

    We haven't won enough games to be any further along -
    Chelsea have 24 wins, - they have messed up 8 times and dropped points with 3 draws and 5 losses
    Spurs have 21 wins, - they have messed up 11 times and dropped points with 8 draws and 3 losses

    Whereas we only have 19 wins, 9 draws and 5 losses and we have the worst goals conceded total in the top 7
    And the most goals as well, if we can solidify the defence this summer we'll be in very good shape next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    But being 3rd isn't that bad.

    We also are the top scorers of the league too and haven't lost any matches against the top 6 this season. It's clear where our balance needs to be which is where you mention, at the back.
    Fair point but a big part of the reason we are top scorers is the amount of goals conceded, our GD is only 6 better than Evertons and its 17 worse than Spurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    conceding goals and dropped points isn't just about the defenders Mac
    Agreed, we definitely need to buy a DM to give us better options all round denfensively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davevietnam View Post
    Fair point but a big part of the reason we are top scorers is the amount of goals conceded, our GD is only 6 better than Evertons and its 17 worse than Spurs.
    We need to concede less for sure. That will be addressed next season, hopefully. As long as we get the points in the bag is the main thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    Buy not signing second choices in January, leaves more money for the summer.
    Exactly, but wait until Fred sees this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    Exactly, but wait until Fred sees this.
    Maybe reduce ticket prices with it
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    Going by how Klopp started us this season and then being knocked out of everything and having 1 game a week for last couple of months of the league (and our run in) then I think it will be a massive failure if we don't get CL. I know we worked into that position, but people here (as usual) were on about league titles etc. in November. I think we must get into the CL just so we can attract the players we NEED, so Klopp can really build a top squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LIVER-01 View Post
    Going by how Klopp started us this season and then being knocked out of everything and having 1 game a week for last couple of months of the league (and our run in) then I think it will be a massive failure if we don't get CL. I know we worked into that position, but people here (as usual) were on about league titles etc. in November. I think we must get into the CL just so we can attract the players we NEED, so Klopp can really build a top squad.
    Agreed.

    Klopp needs to be clever this summer. The spine of the side needs improving in order to gain consistency. Fair enough we're consistent against the top 8 as we've lost none and beaten, Arsenal (twice), Chelsea, Everton (twice), Man City, Spurs and West Brom (twice). It's the other 12 where we need consistency.

    However on a positive note, we've seen the importance of a defensive midfielder against the lesser sides particularly away against Stoke and West Brom. It was Lucas deployed there that actually helped us get those wins. Now if we can get an upgrade on Lucas, we won't be far off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    conceding goals and dropped points isn't just about the defenders Mac
    There is a difference between scoring 69 goals (as a collective too) and conceding 40 goals than finding hard to score goals still conceding 40 goals. And that difference is we are 3rd in the table. You make it sound like being 3rd is crap and we have been poor this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    There is a difference between scoring 69 goals (as a collective too) and conceding 40 goals than finding hard to score goals still conceding 40 goals. And that difference is we are 3rd in the table. You make it sound like being 3rd is crap and we have been poor this season.
    It is crap - it is not enough - Can we do better - damn right we can
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    It is crap - it is not enough - Can we do better - damn right we can
    So if we are crap then United must be *********** ***** then. Yesterday you were giving them credit for the losses of 3 this season and many draws. Would you prefer their record this season and be in 5th then?

    I know you are an ambitious supporter Ron, I just don't understand how you can say being 3rd is crap, from last season when we finished 8th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    So if we are crap then United must be *********** ***** then. Yesterday you were giving them credit for the losses of 3 this season and many draws. Would you prefer their record this season and be in 5th then?

    I know you are an ambitious supporter Ron, I just don't understand how you can say being 3rd is crap, from last season when we finished 8th.
    Its an improvement - its nothing more than that, there is still a lot to do and sort out.... its crap, coz many will get complacent and rest on their laurels...
    Saying we are back and all that
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    So if we are crap then United must be *********** ***** then. Yesterday you were giving them credit for the losses of 3 this season and many draws. Would you prefer their record this season and be in 5th then?

    I know you are an ambitious supporter Ron, I just don't understand how you can say being 3rd is crap, from last season when we finished 8th.
    BTW - 3 losses is better than 5 losses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    BTW - 3 losses is better than 5 losses
    Yep. And 19 wins is better than 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    BTW - 3 losses is better than 5 losses
    Only if you discount the numbers of wins and draws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Its an improvement - its nothing more than that, there is still a lot to do and sort out.... its crap, coz many will get complacent and rest on their laurels...
    Saying we are back and all that
    You make it seem that improvement is a bad thing if you don't immediately jump to the top in 1 season. To quote yourself, last season you believed us to have the worse squad in our history, now to change the worst ever squad into 3rd in one season isn't too underwhelming is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Only if you discount the numbers of wins and draws.
    Permutations are all very well and good. But they go hand in hand with 'ifs and buts'. Position on the table is the paramount factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Permutations are all very well and good. But they go hand in hand with 'ifs and buts'. Position on the table is the paramount factor.
    I think number of points might just be relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    I think number of points might just be relevant.
    In that they determine the position on the table, that's quite right.

    Losses, draws and wins account for the points total, which determines the placing.

    Which in turn determines the general demeanour of the forums.

    Which in turn determines the number of deletions, infractions and banishments.

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