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  1. #1 Default We shouldn't be anywhere near top 4 
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    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    Ah the wonderful net spend - just means you might not of brought anyone and sold your star player - means nothing but some are more worried about balancing the books than others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    Looks like your minuses and pluses are reversed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    apart fropm the fact he left us too thin nd its showing now with matip klavan and lucas now rumoured doubtful...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    I do. It is a base to build on. Our net spend is deceiving as we got over the top for the players we sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredthecamel View Post
    apart fropm the fact he left us too thin nd its showing now with matip klavan and lucas now rumoured doubtful...
    Getting rid off dead wood. And not finding any replacement is not leaving the squad thin. Since some of the players who left was not worth even being backup.
    The squad was already thin. Even under Rodgers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    Net spend can be a good indicator over time on how much new money is being invested in the team but dont think you can paint an accurate picture over 1 seasons spend, you are bound to have anomalies, like last summer we had a more than normal high amount of money coming in because we had a very high amount of players leaving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    If we get top 4 it will prove what a great manager Klopp is.
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    I noticed that too that the -/+ are the wrong way around. If you make a transfer profit, you're in the black which means you have to spend money to break even. If you spend more than you take in, you're in the red. Therefore you made a transfer loss. Therefore it's a minus figure. You've to sell to break even.

    Finally that -4.25 million doesn't sit right with me. Liverpool in January took in 3.5 million on Tiago Ilori. Does it take in the extra revenue on Benteke I.e the 5 million in add-ons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    I noticed that too that the -/+ are the wrong way around. If you make a transfer profit, you're in the black which means you have to spend money to break even. If you spend more than you take in, you're in the red. Therefore you made a transfer loss. Therefore it's a minus figure. You've to sell to break even.

    Finally that -4.25 million doesn't sit right with me. Liverpool in January took in 3.5 million on Tiago Ilori. Does it take in the extra revenue on Benteke I.e the 5 million in add-ons?
    Can somebody explain this to me please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Can somebody explain this to me please.
    NASA expect to have an answer in 4-6 months.

    Stay tuned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Can somebody explain this to me please.
    It's easy. The OP is claiming Liverpool made a transfer profit of 750k in the summer, and if you add that to the 3.5 million made on Tiago Ilori that adds up to 4.25 million. I ssid those figures cannot be right as it's clearly more than that. That's if you state that the Benteke deal was 32 million...not 27 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    It's easy. The OP is claiming Liverpool made a transfer profit of 750k in the summer, and if you add that to the 3.5 million made on Tiago Ilori that adds up to 4.25 million. I ssid those figures cannot be right as it's clearly more than that. That's if you state that the Benteke deal was 32 million...not 27 million.
    Thanks, but I'm going to wait for the NASA version if you don't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    Many will beg to differ, can we judge him on results rather than what he does (to get them)? I mostly agree with your OP, did wigan have a good net spend when they won the fa cup though?
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    aha, the ingenius method of using net spend to prove something when it proves nothing! :FP:

    To suggest we should be "nowhere near the top four" is just plain silly, and the evidence was even presented in a meaningless and inappropriate order

    If we have outright spent less than 6-7 other clubs, have a squad that cost less than 6-7 other clubs, have lower wages than 6-7 other clubs etc then you could argue we're doing well to be in the top 4, but this is just another glowing example of why thread moderation needs to be applied properly as this is just another soapbox thread which could easily be a single post in the existing thread about our top 4 prospects BUT if it were it would get way less attention ie the attention it deserves (if any) so someone thought their spin on the same old same old would be more prominent in a new thread
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates;1250246[B
    Many will beg to differ[
    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates;1250246[B
    /B] can we judge him on results rather than what he does (to get them)? I mostly agree with your OP, did wigan have a good net spend when they won the fa cup though?
    Most will agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    [B] Most will agree.
    ah ok it's all fsg
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward78 View Post
    There is a direct correlation most of the time (Leicester 15/16) between net spend and premier league standings.

    When you consider the league table last year and the net spend since, we should be nowhere near top 4.

    Positions and net spend:-

    1st-Leicester: -22.14m
    2nd-Arsenal: -87.25m
    3rd-Spurs: -25.67
    4th-man city: -151m
    5th-man utd: -117.17

    8th-Liverpool: +4.25m

    10th-chelsea: -20.74m

    I think Klopp regardless of top 4 finish has been outstanding this season.
    I agree looking at our squad compared to some of our main competitors we should be finishing outside the top four, but Luckily for us the quality of our manager has given us a real fighting chance of achieving the goal of a top four finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates View Post
    ah ok it's all fsg
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    [B] Most will agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates View Post
    Most will agree that Klopp is doing a good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    I agree looking at our squad compared to some of our main competitors we should be finishing outside the top four, but Luckily for us the quality of our manager has given us a real fighting chance of achieving the goal of a top four finish.
    Which could beg the question 'Why is our squad so inferior?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Which could beg the question 'Why is our squad so inferior?'
    It is not inferior when everybody is fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Which could beg the question 'Why is our squad so inferior?'
    Europe.

    Most of our rivals are competing in it, so have squads to cope. We aren't so we didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agb1037 View Post
    It is not inferior when everybody is fit.
    Surely your talking first 11 there not squad, otherwise when played are missing we would be able to cope better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Europe.

    Most of our rivals are competing in it, so have squads to cope. We aren't so we didn't.
    We were in Europe last season but didn't have the squad to cope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    We were in Europe last season but didn't have the squad to cope.
    We had the numbers, perhaps not the quality. Last seasons squad is a different story, Klopp had had no opportunity to change it to fit his purposes.

    Like Chelsea our squad for this season is much smaller than our other top 4 rivals. For getting back into Europe next season we will need to add numbers.

    Had we been in Europe this season I'm all but certain Klopp would have added a couple more players last summer. Or perhaps been less willing to let some players go on loan (eg Markovic) - but then of course you're in danger of having numbers without quality again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    We had the numbers, perhaps not the quality. Last seasons squad is a different story, Klopp had had no opportunity to change it to fit his purposes.

    Like Chelsea our squad for this season is much smaller than our other top 4 rivals. For getting back into Europe next season we will need to add numbers.
    Which Klopp has said as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertretford View Post
    Which could beg the question 'Why is our squad so inferior?'
    It's simple for me mate, too many of our big investments have been failures and the really good investments we have managed to get right have all left. Hopefully now that the club has had some stability under FSG and we have one of the best managers in the world he will now get our investments right and our best players will want to stay, obviously with the proviso that the club are winning trophies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    We had the numbers, perhaps not the quality. Last seasons squad is a different story, Klopp had had no opportunity to change it to fit his purposes.

    Like Chelsea our squad for this season is much smaller than our other top 4 rivals. For getting back into Europe next season we will need to add numbers.

    Had we been in Europe this season I'm all but certain Klopp would have added a couple more players last summer. Or perhaps been less willing to let some players go on loan (eg Markovic) - but then of course you're in danger of having numbers without quality again.
    Sounds plausible, I suppose we'll have to see.

    For me, as you say, last season we had more numbers to cope but lacked quality in depth. This season we've cut numbers but still lack quality in depth.
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