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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Haven't they already changed that rule so that denying a goalscoring opportunity inside the box is now a penalty and yellow card, but if outside it's a free kick and a red?
    Haven't noticed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Haven't they already changed that rule so that denying a goalscoring opportunity inside the box is now a penalty and yellow card, but if outside it's a free kick and a red?
    Personally I think they should both be a yellow card and penalty. May sound daft on face value, but if you think about it they are "denying a (clear) goalscoring opportunity" which should really render whereabouts the foul took place relatively redundant. After all it isn't like a casual foul just inside the opposition half with men back, it has to be a situation the attacker is considered to have been in a position to go on and get a shot at goal.

    Plus it keeps it XI v XI (if that many on the pitch at the time) and why not give a "(clear) goalscoring opportunity" to compensate the denial of "a (clear) goalscoring opportunity"......?!?!? If someone nicks your car you don't expect the replacement to be a moped? Or if you lend a mate 30 you don't expect to get 25 back...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    Yeah, finally. One of the better decisions they've made recently.

    Well, you'll still get a red if it's a blatant intentional foul to stop a goal, but genuine tackles that result in penalties are now only a yellow.
    If that's what it is, then that's actually a good thing, for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck33 View Post
    If that's what it is, then that's actually a good thing, for once.
    It is. I've noticed it a few times this season, like 'keepers trying to come out and take the ball and the player just nicking it ahead of him. Previously they'd have been sent off, but now it's a yellow and penalty. Much more sensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    Depends on the challenge.

    "Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity in the penalty area is no longer a straight red card - unless the offence is holding, pulling or pushing; there's no attempt to play or no possibility of making a challenge; or it's an offence which is punishable by a red card, no matter where on the pitch it happens - violent conduct, for example.
    Violent conduct is punishable by a red card even if no contact is made."
    Cool, it's the automatic element I meant. Obviously it can still be red, like any challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    It is. I've noticed it a few times this season, like 'keepers trying to come out and take the ball and the player just nicking it ahead of him. Previously they'd have been sent off, but now it's a yellow and penalty. Much more sensible.
    Absolutely. Nevertheless, I think diving in the penalty area should be punished with red. A few of the usual suspects wouldn't be playing a lot of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    Some schools of thought in commentary teams and pundits alike are black and white, player dived or was fouled, so working along that line of thought does that not mean they would struggle not to do let players they think may have dived off? There is scope a player may have tripped or lost their footing, or a fair challenge committed and they were just caught in it, but I think it may cause uproar if refs keep cards in their pockets even if the colour is becoming an issue (here if nowhere else)
    right, I agree. But my point is - ref's will just continue doing what they've been doing up until now. This new rule won't change that. In the same way retrospective action follows violent behaviour or fouls where the ref has taken no action. It will be the same thing. Ref didn't see it - Panel take a look.

    I can't imagine any decent professional ref would leave his card in his pocket if he thought it was a dive. So that leaves the ***** refs. And my point is - ***** ref's are ***** whether this panel exists or not.
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    Accompanying this needs to be a direct for referees to call penalties in the box when players who are fouled stay on their feet. As many of us have pointed out on more than a few occasions, referees have to share the blame for diving in the box due to their reluctance to call a penalty unless the player goes down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck33 View Post
    Absolutely. Nevertheless, I think diving in the penalty area should be punished with red. A few of the usual suspects wouldn't be playing a lot of games.
    Ashley Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbird View Post
    right, I agree. But my point is - ref's will just continue doing what they've been doing up until now. This new rule won't change that.
    Even worse. They might be tempted to give a penalty more often, because they might think if they are wrong, the retrospective punishment will make up for it. There will be very few clear cases anyways. And they should punish every attempt, otherwise the benefits might be greater than the risk. Especially in a knockout competition. Why would you care about a 2 game ban when you get a game winning penalty in the final?
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    They already know who the repeat offenders are
    Diego Costa
    Eden Hazard
    Ashley Young
    Yaya Toure
    Herrera - Sterling - Aguero - Deli Alli - Ross Barkley

    Do they stop or do others follow their lead

    We will see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    They already know who the repeat offenders are
    Diego Costa
    Eden Hazard
    Ashley Young
    Yaya Toure
    Herrera - Sterling - Aguero - Deli Alli - Ross Barkley

    Do they stop or do others follow their lead

    We will see
    Don't forget Fellaini's elbows.
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    About time they implemented some sanctions for divers.
    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Don't forget Fellaini's elbows.
    Fellaini's antics are in category of assault, not diving, which itself should have been retrospectively punished thousand times already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemer View Post
    About time they implemented some sanctions for divers.

    Fellaini's antics are in category of assault, not diving, which itself should have been retrospectively punished thousand times already.
    He's such a naughty chap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbird View Post
    right, I agree. But my point is - ref's will just continue doing what they've been doing up until now. This new rule won't change that. In the same way retrospective action follows violent behaviour or fouls where the ref has taken no action. It will be the same thing. Ref didn't see it - Panel take a look.

    I can't imagine any decent professional ref would leave his card in his pocket if he thought it was a dive. So that leaves the ***** refs. And my point is - ***** ref's are ***** whether this panel exists or not.
    Some may be more reluctant to book divers with retrospective punishment, others may be prepared to give penalties with the knowledge that a panel will at least punish the player if it was a dive, but much like DRS in cricket the refs will be VERY aware that the panel and the world will be judging them so I don't think it will be as simple as refs opting for one course of action or another ie no "one size Fitz Hall".

    DRS if just implemented as a back up tool to make a more informed decision with technology and replays available would have been great, but the ICC in their ultimate (lack of) wisdom decided to protect the umpires by throwing in some grey instead of having black and white. So the accursed "umpire's call" was lobbed in, if any element was/is close then that was given as "umpire's call" rendering the review redundant.

    If the umpire gave a player out LBW and on review it was borderline hitting the stumps then "umpire's call" would leave the decision as out, but imagine the umpire had called it not out and the bowler reviewed, the same "umpire's call" on the hitting of the stumps would mean the batsman was deemed not out, so how can the same delivery be out and not out..........?!?!? Let's just hope the panel and this new process doesn't have too much benefit of the doubt and maybe backing the call of the referee.........

    Let's also just hope this whole thing is applied objectively and of course as EX players and managers are involved and decisions need to be unanimous we'd want to make sure there's no "benefit of the doubt" applied to a generous extreme...... Between any two managers and players, if at the top level most of their careers, they're bound to have played for a few clubs, unless they go for a Matt Le Tissier, and even then they may have a few favourites among clubs. And it's not as if officials haven't been accused in the past of favouritism..........
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    Diving is part of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HibsOneLiverpoolNil View Post
    Diving is part of the game.
    You're not Captain (bleeding) Obvious are you...............? (rhetorical)

    Technically it is an infestation, it's something in the game that shouldn't be. A bit like cricketers, fans and media thereof suggesting "not walking" is part of cricket, it sadly is but is not a particularly welcome one.
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    They already know who the repeat offenders are
    Diego Costa
    Eden Hazard
    Ashley Young
    Yaya Toure
    Herrera - Sterling - Aguero - Deli Alli - Ross Barkley

    Do they stop or do others follow their lead

    We will see
    Lucas
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Don't forget Fellaini's elbows.
    He should just be banned full stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    He should just be banned full stop.
    His elbows are out on bail, and he keeps bringing them to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
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    Stop that at once. All our players are as pure and innocent as the driven snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
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    That was funny - clearly not had the training in the dark arts others have had, maybe he missed training that day.... But he did look a prized tool falling over like that
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    A retrospective ban doesnt help out the team he commits the offence against, it actually helps other teams in the next matches.
    Why can't a video ref make that decision during the match?.
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    This is just like watching a bunch of old people try to figure out how a smartphone works. So frustrated by watching this paint dry!

    Get some extra refs to watch monitors real time and sort this out... Next season!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyZidane View Post
    A retrospective ban doesnt help out the team he commits the offence against, it actually helps other teams in the next matches.
    Why can't a video ref make that decision during the match?.
    Yeah that's a good point, other teams will gain from the cheated team's misfortune.

    There is literally no reason they can't have an official watch the games and react in real time. They used it well recently in a France - Spain friendly when Griezmann scored but was offside, and the video assistant alerted the ref to rule it out. Maybe took a minute at most, but the right call was made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilbertoSilva View Post
    Yeah that's a good point, other teams will gain from the cheated team's misfortune.

    There is literally no reason they can't have an official watch the games and react in real time. They used it well recently in a France - Spain friendly when Griezmann scored but was offside, and the video assistant alerted the ref to rule it out. Maybe took a minute at most, but the right call was made.
    Even if it takes a minute or two to check, it's still better sending them off during the match than banning them after.
    Or maybe an alternative is that the ban applies the next time they are due to play the same team.?.
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    If you are, for arguments sake, Diego Costa playing against Liverpool and your next 3 games are to (no offence to these teams but) Swansea, Watford and Burnley....is it really going to deter you from taking a dive in the box at Anfield in order to grab a winning goal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyZidane View Post
    A retrospective ban doesnt help out the team he commits the offence against, it actually helps other teams in the next matches.
    Why can't a video ref make that decision during the match?.
    That would make way too much sense!
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