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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    How many survivors are there?
    absolutely no idea, hundreds I imagine, impossible to give an accurate number as there's no way of knowing who was in the building at the time, it's not an airport departure lounge with biometric passports and workers ID badges required by everyone there, it's a towerblock of flats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Check it out.

    Fairly interesting.

    Almost autonomous states?

    https://www.ft.com/content/7c8f24fa-...abdc0?mhq5j=e1




    The City of London supported George Washington and provided funds and men for the cause. The citizens of London reminded the king, to the point of treason, that it was they and not he who had won the civil war.




    Even as Parliament displaced the Crown as the fundamental unit of sovereignty and democracy displaced the Divine Right of Kings as the principle of legitimacy, the state still refused to subordinate the Corporation of London to national laws and practices. Its assets and its ancient privileges remained untouched.

    The City survived each wave of Victorian municipal reform. The Corporationís assets, its property inventory and financial portfolio remain unpublished.
    Thanks for the quotes. The guardian article quoted in the Sqwawka link is quite illuminating too. Its funny that institutions like this still exist, almost frozen in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    absolutely no idea, hundreds I imagine, impossible to give an accurate number as there's no way of knowing who was in the building at the time, it's not an airport departure lounge with biometric passports and workers ID badges required by everyone there, it's a towerblock of flats.
    Sajad Jamalvatan seems to have some ideas on how these figures can be gathered though.

    Glad to hear that you are happy for such efforts to be led by the traumatised residents and not the 'authorities' due to the magnitude and difficulty, after all its not an airport lounge is it?.

    I happen to disagree. Its not down to Sajad. Fair play to him though. I don't label him as a conspiracy theorist to be honest. Anyone who does needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Thanks for the quotes. The guardian article quoted in the Sqwawka link is quite illuminating too. Its funny that institutions like this still exist, almost frozen in time.
    No problem.

    Oh the bold bit...careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Sajad Jamalvatan seems to have some ideas on how these figures can be gathered though.

    Glad to hear that you are happy for such efforts to be led by the traumatised residents and not the 'authorities' due to the magnitude and difficulty, after all its not an airport lounge is it?.

    I happen to disagree. Its not down to Sajad. Fair play to him though. I don't label him as a conspiracy theorist to be honest. Anyone who does needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
    what the hell are you even on about? Where have I said it should be down to residents? And I haven't labeled him as anything, conspiracy theorist or otherwise, but you know that.

    I answered the point about the death toll, which will only be known when all the bodies have been identified or until all efforts to do so have been completely exhausted, either of which is down to the Coroners office and the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    what the hell are you even on about? Where have I said it should be down to residents? And I haven't labeled him as anything, conspiracy theorist or otherwise, but you know that.

    I answered the point about the death toll, which will only be known when all the bodies have been identified or until all efforts to do so have been completely exhausted, either of which is down to the Coroners office and the police.
    Sorry I thought you mentioned conspiracy a few posts back...my mistake.
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    So finally the police release the number of survivors = 255
    and tell us there were 350 people living in the tower
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    Quote Originally Posted by naturalskill View Post
    So finally the police release the number of survivors = 255
    and tell us there were 350 people living in the tower
    yes, it's almost as if they wanted to give an accurate number rather than spew out any old crap to people .
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    yes, it's almost as if they wanted to give an accurate number rather than spew out any old crap to people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    yes, it's almost as if they wanted to give an accurate number rather than spew out any old crap to people .
    No, its almost as if the pressure from the residents and their families on the authorities to stop obscuring information has forced the authorities into releasing some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    No, its almost as if the pressure from the residents and their families on the authorities to stop obscuring information has forced the authorities into releasing some.
    correct
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    They absolutely should not have released any number until they were sure they had exhausted every avenue with regards to accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump View Post
    They absolutely should not have released any number until they were sure they had exhausted every avenue with regards to accuracy.
    But they did...almost from day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    But they did...almost from day one.
    Yes, numbers they could confirm beyond a reasonable doubt. No cover up, just accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    Yes, numbers they could confirm beyond a reasonable doubt. No cover up, just accuracy.
    Like 7 dead you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Like 7 dead you mean?
    At the time yes. As I mentioned before it was a block of flats, not a plane crash in a field with known passenger and crew manifestos so numbers involved are known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    But they did...almost from day one.
    A total or estimated total number, but of course you knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump View Post
    A total or estimated total number, but of course you knew that.
    Yes a total of 7 dead was what came out in the first 48 hours or so...I did know that.

    It is now at 80 how many weeks later?

    The number is already in the public domain and is what will get remembered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Yes a total of 7 dead was what came out in the first 48 hours or so...I did know that.

    It is now at 80 how many weeks later?

    The number is already in the public domain and is what will get remembered.
    Do you remember Hillsborough?

    The number wasn't 95 at 6tpm that day. It started low and gradually went up.

    And of course it went to 96 with Tony bland. Didn't want anyone to make themselves look stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Do you remember Hillsborough?

    The number wasn't 95 at 6tpm that day. It started low and gradually went up.

    And of course it went to 96 with Tony bland. Didn't want anyone to make themselves look stupid.
    I do indeed remember the cover up that was Hillsborough.

    I think the two tragic events are very different.
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    Grenfell Tower: insulation was not certified for use with flammable cladding

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nsulation-plan
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    Here's what's really going on behind the scenes
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...byists-housing
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    I do indeed remember the cover up that was Hillsborough.

    I think the two tragic events are very different.
    I was replying to people wanting immediate numbers
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    I wonder how long this will take to disappear from the public psyche.
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