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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Democrats need to start offering something more than identity politics that no one cares about, or ‘errr Trump is bad’ as neither strategy is working. They have to start addressing the real issues that America is concerned about if they want any hope of getting back into the White House in 3 years time. They also need some new strategists, because the ones they have working for them at the moment are possibly the worst I’ve ever come across.
    And what issus are Americans concerned about that have been fixed or made in any way better by the Republicans?

    I also find it amazing that you keep talking about “identity politics” being a democratic problem when Trump wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without it. That’s literally all he’s got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    And what issus are Americans concerned about that have been fixed or made in any way better by the Republicans?

    I also find it amazing that you keep talking about “identity politics” being a democratic problem when Trump wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without it. That’s literally all he’s got.
    Trump talked about the issues that it appeared, a large percentage of the population wanted to discuss.

    Identity politics is a problem for the Democrats because at the moment, they don’t appear to want to discuss much else. This allowing Trump to control the narrative and set the tone of the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Democrats need to start offering something more than identity politics that no one cares about, or ‘errr Trump is bad’ as neither strategy is working. They have to start addressing the real issues that America is concerned about if they want any hope of getting back into the White House in 3 years time. They also need some new strategists, because the ones they have working for them at the moment are possibly the worst I’ve ever come across.
    How do you explain the wave of republican losses of seats that Trump won with massive margins? Dems need less and less the more Trump reveals himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    How do you explain the wave of republican losses of seats that Trump won with massive margins? Dems need less and less the more Trump reveals himself.
    Losses where? The Senate or House of Representatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hysen View Post
    He won by the rules set out. If the popular vote was the way it was decided, he would have run a different campaign. That is like saying you do not really win on away goals or on a penalty shoot out. You play to the rues of the game. Anyone harping on about the popular vote is just your usual foot stamping child
    A foot stamping child? No, it's someone who realises how bad a system the Electoral College is, and I'm not the only one.

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    there's literally a tweet for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    A foot stamping child? No, it's someone who realises how bad a system the Electoral College is, and I'm not the only one.

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
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    there's literally a tweet for everything.
    It's only bad if you lose. If Trump had lost and complained, everyone would have told him to stop moaning
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    Quote Originally Posted by hysen View Post
    You mean the same polls that showed he couldn't win last time, right up until the result?
    Two things. First, there is a significant difference between polls predicting (election) outcomes and polls asking about current opinions/views. Second, the election polls did not say he couldn't win. Rather, it was very unlikely. Think about it this way, if the weather report says there is a 5% chance of rain on a given day, and it rains, they were not wrong. They pointed out something was very unlikely, but did not say it wasn't possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    it did, which is why we have a tangerine toddler in chief in charge of nuclear weapons. As I said, an idiotic and archaic electoral college system.
    Of course calling someone a tangerine toddler says all it needs to about your arguments and ideals. Someone that you cannot reason with and is pretty narrow minded but calls themselves a liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hysen View Post
    Of course calling someone a tangerine toddler says all it needs to about your arguments and ideals. Someone that you cannot reason with and is pretty narrow minded but calls themselves a liberal.
    I base my views on evidence and reason, and the last 15months of Trump as President and President-Elect, and the many years of Trumps own actions have proven that he is both a man-sized toddler, and has the skin of a tangerine.

    I feel very secure in my description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Losses where? The Senate or House of Representatives?
    Local level in the main. 35 seats gone from red to blue in last 12 months. It may or may not translate in to the midterms but it needs an explanation before it is dismissed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Trump talked about the issues that it appeared, a large percentage of the population wanted to discuss.

    Identity politics is a problem for the Democrats because at the moment, they don’t appear to want to discuss much else. This allowing Trump to control the narrative and set the tone of the debate.
    You, dear sir, have no idea what identity politics are. It sounds as though you heard someone on TV use the term and are trying to make your own argument using the lingo you don't understand. It's exactly the sort of thing Trump does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    You, dear sir, have no idea what identity politics are. It sounds as though you heard someone on TV use the term and are trying to make your own argument using the lingo you don't understand. It's exactly the sort of thing Trump does.
    Okay - how am I doing that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    Local level in the main. 35 seats gone from red to blue in last 12 months. It may or may not translate in to the midterms but it needs an explanation before it is dismissed.
    Fair enough. If that translates into losses in the Senate, fine. I don’t think it will though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Fair enough. If that translates into losses in the Senate, fine. I don’t think it will though.
    Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    Why not?
    Because I don’t believe that the Democrats have a message or a figurehead for voters to rally behind. The seemingly improving economic outlook is also another reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Okay - how am I doing that?
    By suggesting that the Democrats are engaged in identity politics while Trump is all about the "issues". In truth, both parties have been embroiled in identity politics for a long, long time. You could even argue that identity politics is the only kind of politics left in America, and the strongest proof of that is the fact that Donald Trump is president. A person like him does not win in an election that is based on anything other than identity politics. And whoever wins the next presidential election will win it on identity politics too. There is simply nothing else left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    By suggesting that the Democrats are engaged in identity politics while Trump is all about the "issues". In truth, both parties have been embroiled in identity politics for a long, long time. You could even argue that identity politics is the only kind of politics left in America, and the strongest proof of that is the fact that Donald Trump is president. A person like him does not win in an election that is based on anything other than identity politics. And whoever wins the next presidential election will win it on identity politics too. There is simply nothing else left.
    Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    By suggesting that the Democrats are engaged in identity politics while Trump is all about the "issues". In truth, both parties have been embroiled in identity politics for a long, long time. You could even argue that identity politics is the only kind of politics left in America, and the strongest proof of that is the fact that Donald Trump is president. A person like him does not win in an election that is based on anything other than identity politics. And whoever wins the next presidential election will win it on identity politics too. There is simply nothing else left.
    I unfortunately agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Because I don’t believe that the Democrats have a message or a figurehead for voters to rally behind. The seemingly improving economic outlook is also another reason.
    Fair points. But I'll conclude by cautioning that the 35 flips have happened without that Classic Democrat figurehead. It could be they're rallying against a figurehead.

    Similarly, the economic trends (other than the stock market) have not changed significantly over the past twelve months. They have improved in absolute terms, but the rate of improvement is not much different than under Obama. The recent tax cuts may work in the republicans favour but that may be countered by any cuts that may follow to cope with the looming 2 trillion deficit adding to the 20 trillion debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    Misplaced resentment is the core of white working class bigotry.



    They generally are, along with the aforementioned irrational resentment, and wilful ignorance.
    Generally anyone who voted for Trump is a racist, bigoted, extreme right-wing Nazi? Bit silly really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    Fair points. But I'll conclude by cautioning that the 35 flips have happened without that Classic Democrat figurehead. It could be they're rallying against a figurehead.

    Similarly, the economic trends (other than the stock market) have not changed significantly over the past twelve months. They have improved in absolute terms, but the rate of improvement is not much different than under Obama. The recent tax cuts may work in the republicans favour but that may be countered by any cuts that may follow to cope with the looming 2 trillion deficit adding to the 20 trillion debt.
    I agree - anything can happen. I didn’t think that Trump had any chance of winning that election and I was wrong. However, I think it would be good to understand the reasons as to why Trump won. Maybe there’s some lessons to be learned there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    I agree - anything can happen. I didn’t think that Trump had any chance of winning that election and I was wrong. However, I think it would be good to understand the reasons as to why Trump won. Maybe there’s some lessons to be learned there.
    He promised people what they wanted. Jobs, immigration control, border control, all sorts. Whatever the various groups wanted, he promised. He's a salesman not a politician. That worked for him as well. Early on he knew what he had going for him in his base. They were starving for his message. So much so he could kill someone in public and still become president.

    While he's got the base, he's got the republican politicians unless the base don't have the numbers to win the midterms. Then the republican politicians may have to replace him with someone who won't cause the democrats to turn out in large numbers. Shoot their fox so to speak.

    Some think he's delivering or will deliver. Others think he's in it totally for himself. That doesn't matter as much the message of what people want but hasn't been delivered since the 2008 crash and even before that.

    And the lesson: Trump heard the call. Others need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    He promised people what they wanted. Jobs, immigration control, border control, all sorts. Whatever the various groups wanted, he promised. He's a salesman not a politician. That worked for him as well. Early on he knew what he had going for him in his base. They were starving for his message. So much so he could kill someone in public and still become president.

    While he's got the base, he's got the republican politicians unless the base don't have the numbers to win the midterms. Then the republican politicians may have to replace him with someone who won't cause the democrats to turn out in large numbers. Shoot their fox so to speak.

    Some think he's delivering or will deliver. Others think he's in it totally for himself. That doesn't matter as much the message of what people want but hasn't been delivered since the 2008 crash and even before that.

    And the lesson: Trump heard the call. Others need to.
    Precisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shody1976 View Post
    Been watching Tucker Carlson recently. I’ve got to say, he’s pretty entertaining.
    He is but he's also full of complete garbage. Whenever he gets his ass handed to him he does this ridiculous smirk and giggle pretending to laugh it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thespian View Post
    He is but he's also full of complete garbage. Whenever he gets his ass handed to him he does this ridiculous smirk and giggle pretending to laugh it off.
    What do you mean by his ass handed to him? I can’t say that I’ve see it happen that often?
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    Trying to remember that time when Obama's lawyer paid a porn star $130,000 to sign a confidentiality agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelYNWA View Post
    Trying to remember that time when Obama's lawyer paid a porn star $130,000 to sign a confidentiality agreement.
    Could have happened under Bills leadership.
    Eat. Sleep. Rave. Repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Could have happened under Bills leadership.
    very true
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    Everyone going mad across the pond at the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS.

    That's after Trump promised not to in the primaries (there really is a tweet for everything). If this doesn't prompt Democrat wins in November, I don't know what will. This should affect many of those people who voted for him in the first place if it goes ahead.
    Eat. Sleep. Rave. Repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Everyone going mad across the pond at the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS.

    That's after Trump promised not to in the primaries (there really is a tweet for everything). If this doesn't prompt Democrat wins in November, I don't know what will. This should affect many of those people who voted for him in the first place if it goes ahead.
    Trump is making immigration THE issue for November. His whole strategy is to paint the democrats as caring more for immigrants than American workers.
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