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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernRob View Post
    Who he was an upgrade on is totally irrelevant. He was an undeniably good CB in the Premiership towards the end of last season

    I'm not suggesting he is good enough to be first choice for us; however I think he is more than good enough to be a starter for many Prem teams or a backup CB for Liverpool
    so where are the bids for him then ?
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    Southampton manager Mauricio Pellegrino hopes Virgil van Dijk will change his mind about wanting to leave the club.

    The defender issued a transfer request earlier this week requesting that the Saints "consider the interest" in him.

    Van Dijk, 26, will not feature in Saturday's Premier League opener against Swansea because of a virus, but Pellegrino wants him to play for the club this season.

    "Virgil is an important player and we need him focused on our club," he said.

    "My reaction is the same that I said three weeks ago: we are expecting him to come back, to train with us because we need the players, we need all of them.

    "Hopefully he can change his point of view."

    Van Dijk has been strongly linked with a move to Liverpool this summer as well as attracting interest from Premier League champions Chelsea and Manchester City.

    However, the Anfield club said they ended their interest in June after Saints said they were going to report them to the Premier League for making an alleged illegal approach.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40899009
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    Quote Originally Posted by rederman View Post
    but he does lots of charity work , and seems to be a funny guy on social media, proclaming himself to be a liverpool soldier, .therefore hes a legend and should walk into this team;
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Southampton manager Mauricio Pellegrino hopes Virgil van Dijk will change his mind about wanting to leave the club.

    The defender issued a transfer request earlier this week requesting that the Saints "consider the interest" in him.

    Van Dijk, 26, will not feature in Saturday's Premier League opener against Swansea because of a virus, but Pellegrino wants him to play for the club this season.

    "Virgil is an important player and we need him focused on our club," he said.

    "My reaction is the same that I said three weeks ago: we are expecting him to come back, to train with us because we need the players, we need all of them.

    "Hopefully he can change his point of view."

    Van Dijk has been strongly linked with a move to Liverpool this summer as well as attracting interest from Premier League champions Chelsea and Manchester City.

    However, the Anfield club said they ended their interest in June after Saints said they were going to report them to the Premier League for making an alleged illegal approach.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40899009
    Klopp saying there is no plan B, just plan A makes me think there's still a bit to play out.

    VVD can't go back to playing for Saints now
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    Quote Originally Posted by MishMasch View Post
    Klopp saying there is no plan B, just plan A makes me think there's still a bit to play out.

    VVD can't go back to playing for Saints now
    Not seen that, what did he say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Not seen that, what did he say?
    Fred will be on one today....

    Jurgen Klopp insists Liverpool will only sign their No.1 transfer targets in the remaining weeks of the window.

    The Reds have brought in Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Dominic Solanke so far but have been frustrated in their pursuits of other targets.

    They were forced into an embarrassing climb down over Virgil van Dijk after allegedly tapping up the Southampton defender while RB Leipzig rejected huge bids for Naby Keita.

    But despite having a number of injuries ahead of the Premier League opener with Watford, Klopp has no plans to add new faces for the sake of it.

    "If we bring in players, we bring them in because I want them. If not, then I don't [sign them]," he said.

    "There will not be a plan B, or plan C, or plan D. The player we brings in is plan A."

    "Even now, I have to make hard decisions because a few players did well in pre-season.

    "I could go with this squad, that's no problem. That's what we will do and we will see what happens until the 31st."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Fred will be on one today....

    Jurgen Klopp insists Liverpool will only sign their No.1 transfer targets in the remaining weeks of the window.

    The Reds have brought in Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Dominic Solanke so far but have been frustrated in their pursuits of other targets.

    They were forced into an embarrassing climb down over Virgil van Dijk after allegedly tapping up the Southampton defender while RB Leipzig rejected huge bids for Naby Keita.

    But despite having a number of injuries ahead of the Premier League opener with Watford, Klopp has no plans to add new faces for the sake of it.

    "If we bring in players, we bring them in because I want them. If not, then I don't [sign them]," he said.

    "There will not be a plan B, or plan C, or plan D. The player we brings in is plan A."

    "Even now, I have to make hard decisions because a few players did well in pre-season.

    "I could go with this squad, that's no problem. That's what we will do and we will see what happens until the 31st."
    So van dijk or no one.
    Keita is not needed this season. And hopefully grujić get his chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    So van dijk or no one.
    Keita is not needed this season. And hopefully grujić get his chance
    He wants to improve the starting 11 he believes is currently there it says to me. Which is what he said all along about improving the starting 11. Keita and VvD are two players he sees that will? Doesn't want squad fillers or alternatives. He wants better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    He wants to improve the starting 11 he believes is currently there it says to me. Which is what he said all along about improving the starting 11. Keita and VvD are two players he sees that will? Doesn't want squad fillers or alternatives. He wants better than that.
    Monalas is better than Lovren so is Koulibaly, come on its not hard to replace Lovren.

    He's an average centre back that is error prone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MishMasch View Post
    Klopp saying there is no plan B, just plan A makes me think there's still a bit to play out.
    Doesn't seem to have much time for plan B, think he wrote it off in terms of in game strategies too quite recently. I wouldn't dismiss plan B so readily, it can come in all sorts of forms, a substitution or two, formation, strategy etc. If we stick with the same approach and it isn't working you could persist and keep faith in the players and strategy, but to me that's like sticking on 17 all the time at pontoon/blackjack - might work some of the time, but just read this commentary on sticking on 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Marsden (source below)
    To most intermittent casino visitors, being dealt a hand with a value of 17 at blackjack is a good thing and, without much consideration, players will immediately decide that they will stick rather than risk hitting another card.

    After all, in the majority of cases there are more cards in the deck that will cause this hand to bust, than there are cards which will make it stronger.

    However, what many players may not realise is that 17 is incapable of beating any dealer hand. Therefore, the only way a hand of 17 will bring a pay day is if the dealer busts. This makes it no better than a hand of 13 or 14, which also canít win unless the dealer busts.
    http://www.jackpot.co.uk/online-casi...stick-or-twist

    I think if you read it there can be a few things deduced that apply to some football situations like being 0-0 after 70 minutes against a side sitting deep. A lot may depend on the play, but essentially if you've played well and still not scored why would you score in 20 minutes even doing the same things if you couldn't in 70 before.....?!?

    Anyway, nothing too much wrong with a bit of Plan B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQEQJpcE1vo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    So van dijk or no one.
    Keita is not needed this season. And hopefully grujić get his chance
    You got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Fred will be on one today....

    Jurgen Klopp insists Liverpool will only sign their No.1 transfer targets in the remaining weeks of the window.

    The Reds have brought in Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Dominic Solanke so far but have been frustrated in their pursuits of other targets.

    They were forced into an embarrassing climb down over Virgil van Dijk after allegedly tapping up the Southampton defender while RB Leipzig rejected huge bids for Naby Keita.

    But despite having a number of injuries ahead of the Premier League opener with Watford, Klopp has no plans to add new faces for the sake of it.

    "If we bring in players, we bring them in because I want them. If not, then I don't [sign them]," he said.

    "There will not be a plan B, or plan C, or plan D. The player we brings in is plan A."

    "Even now, I have to make hard decisions because a few players did well in pre-season.

    "I could go with this squad, that's no problem. That's what we will do and we will see what happens until the 31st."
    Cheers. Yeah, fred'll love hearing that.

    I'm still not 100% clear what he means - is it that he only wants players for the regular first XI, he's not looking at signing players to be part of plans B, C or D? Or that he only has one player in his sights? Or both, it happens to be the same thing?
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    Maybe we've just become too used to 5+ signings a summer, and watching other clubs signing several players already feeling like we need to too.
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Fred will be on one today....

    Jurgen Klopp insists Liverpool will only sign their No.1 transfer targets in the remaining weeks of the window.

    The Reds have brought in Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Dominic Solanke so far but have been frustrated in their pursuits of other targets.

    They were forced into an embarrassing climb down over Virgil van Dijk after allegedly tapping up the Southampton defender while RB Leipzig rejected huge bids for Naby Keita.

    But despite having a number of injuries ahead of the Premier League opener with Watford, Klopp has no plans to add new faces for the sake of it.

    "If we bring in players, we bring them in because I want them. If not, then I don't [sign them]," he said.

    "There will not be a plan B, or plan C, or plan D. The player we brings in is plan A."

    "Even now, I have to make hard decisions because a few players did well in pre-season.

    "I could go with this squad, that's no problem. That's what we will do and we will see what happens until the 31st."
    Think that gives us a pretty clear indication of his attitude to this window. Keita is not available, VvD probably not either. So there it is.

    First match of the season two of the best players injured.

    That's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Cheers. Yeah, fred'll love hearing that.

    I'm still not 100% clear what he means - is it that he only wants players for the regular first XI, he's not looking at signing players to be part of plans B, C or D? Or that he only has one player in his sights? Or both, it happens to be the same thing?
    You're right it is hard to be clear, so it could all be the same thing. He figures he can win with this squad. Fact or Fantasy we shall have to see.
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    Wrong thread. Sorry.
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    another day,no news of our bid.
    come on klopp,wake up,what are you doing???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mihamiha23 View Post
    another day,no news of our bid.
    come on klopp,wake up,what are you doing???
    Preparing the team for tomorrows match perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    Maybe we've just become too used to 5+ signings a summer, and watching other clubs signing several players already feeling like we need to too.
    What clubs though?
    United have 3, Arsenal 2, Chelsea 4 (which includes swapping Begovic for the inferior Caballero as #2GK), Spurs 0, LFC 3 - it's only City that has bought significantly more. And Everton, if you want. It's just the usual common impression that everyone else is doing more and better business than us.

    Only ourselves and Arsenal, so far, have not sold any important players from last season (with respect to Lucas, he was a squad player).

    I really don't look at any of the top clubs and think "Yep, they've sorted their problem areas, or added the depth they needed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Cheers. Yeah, fred'll love hearing that.

    I'm still not 100% clear what he means - is it that he only wants players for the regular first XI, he's not looking at signing players to be part of plans B, C or D? Or that he only has one player in his sights? Or both, it happens to be the same thing?
    Perhaps open to interpretation but certainly given the context of this window what appears to be a pursuit of Keita and VVD and no one else, it'll mainly be taken as him saying i want those players because of 'reasons' and if not, then i won't buy.

    Could be right literally. Could be a show of confidence to the players he wants to say i *really* want you, so hold tight. Could be that he's bored and wanted to create some headlines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Cheers. Yeah, fred'll love hearing that.

    I'm still not 100% clear what he means - is it that he only wants players for the regular first XI, he's not looking at signing players to be part of plans B, C or D? Or that he only has one player in his sights? Or both, it happens to be the same thing?
    Plan A - The A Team. I think we should sign BA, Face, Murdoch and Hannibal. If there is a problem, maybe Klopp can hire the A team...

    Not the B Team. The team that consists of Ragner and soon to be poor Lovren. Not the C or D team. God help them guys!

    The A team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MishMasch View Post
    Perhaps open to interpretation but certainly given the context of this window what appears to be a pursuit of Keita and VVD and no one else, it'll mainly be taken as him saying i want those players because of 'reasons' and if not, then i won't buy.

    Could be right literally. Could be a show of confidence to the players he wants to say i *really* want you, so hold tight. Could be that he's bored and wanted to create some headlines.
    Yeah I wondered if there might be an element of that.
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    So LFC and Saints saying there's no way the player goes, VVD hands in transfer request, rumours of PHIL doing the same.

    A players and agents stupid though? Why sign long term deals with zero clauses to help and easier exit, even if it meant taking less money per week.

    Player power is a bit crazy really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    What clubs though?
    United have 3, Arsenal 2, Chelsea 4 (which includes swapping Begovic for the inferior Caballero as #2GK), Spurs 0, LFC 3 - it's only City that has bought significantly more. And Everton, if you want. It's just the usual common impression that everyone else is doing more and better business than us.

    Only ourselves and Arsenal, so far, have not sold any important players from last season (with respect to Lucas, he was a squad player).

    I really don't look at any of the top clubs and think "Yep, they've sorted their problem areas, or added the depth they needed".
    Good point.

    Caveat: let's revisit this on September 1st. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    He wants to improve the starting 11 he believes is currently there it says to me. Which is what he said all along about improving the starting 11. Keita and VvD are two players he sees that will? Doesn't want squad fillers or alternatives. He wants better than that.
    like milner as a new midfielder... he s not a squad filler at all

    or solanke i dont suppose he was signed for the squad either, guaranteed starter....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAFFYFROG View Post
    The longer Sakho remains out if the team the better he becomes in the eye of some of our fans. He played and was dreadful when we lost 6 goals to Stoke whereas Lovren did not play.

    Saw a repeat of the 2015/16 game when we lost to Watford where Ighalo left him on his backside in the box but for some he never made mistakes. Laughable and why few clubs are interested in him
    Don't particularly rate him myself, but not replacing him over the course of two and a bit windows just doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially given how the van dijk deal just doesn't look plausible.
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    Chuck em 70m and lets be done with it
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    I really don't see Chelsea going for him. As good as he is/was I don't see conte paying 60 million or whatever. He already has a successful trio of luiz, cahil and azpilacueta with good backup in rudiger and christensen.

    Utd are fine for centrebacks aswell and i don't see spurs paying big with what they have already. That leaves ourselves arsenal and city. I think saints will accept the highest offer, would like to think they wouldnt be so petty as to reject ours if we make one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    What clubs though?
    United have 3, Arsenal 2, Chelsea 4 (which includes swapping Begovic for the inferior Caballero as #2GK), Spurs 0, LFC 3 - it's only City that has bought significantly more. And Everton, if you want. It's just the usual common impression that everyone else is doing more and better business than us.

    Only ourselves and Arsenal, so far, have not sold any important players from last season (with respect to Lucas, he was a squad player).

    I really don't look at any of the top clubs and think "Yep, they've sorted their problem areas, or added the depth they needed".

    I didn't say they had signed "significantly more", I said seeing other clubs signing several (and let's not get into a game of semantics since the clubs won't all have signed the same, if you want it pinned down then more than 2) players and feeling we need to.

    That doesn't translate to "significantly more" and analysing it subjectively doesn't make it any less true. Or do you think most on here are happy for our business to end now? I've seen comments on how other clubs have overtaken us.

    Oh and by the way, on the matter of subjectivity, taking just how many players are signed :

    Everton : 11
    Chelsea : 9
    Man City : 5 (+ 3 listed for EDS/Academy)
    Liverpool/Man Utd : 3
    Arsenal : 2

    Tottenham : , I mean 0

    What I said holds true, you're breaking down what I said rather than taking what I said. Other clubs have brought in more players than us, "few", "several", word it how you like, and we are used to seeing 5+ players come in most seasons. You've applied a few parameters on my behalf, then questioned it.

    it beggars belief on here how often people reply to things you didn't say. Fall back on semantics, I think you may as well to add to defining parameters I didn't set. We don't know how much more business these clubs may do, but at the moment we seem locked in a situation of not getting Keita and VVD, and potentially fighting to keep Coutinho so even your "haven't sold important players" may prove somewhat premature - and aren't Arsenal looking to offload one of their's in Giroud?
    People will believe what they want to believe
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