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  1. #1 Default We need a striker in the box 
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    Even as a plan B. We seem to have one style of play, lots of skilful players, quick interchanging, but we know a lot of teams will sit back, and park the bus against us. Then the only way through is with a world class goal, or going out wide and throwing in crosses. But we don't have a 'natural' box striker. Even Sturridge drifts around a lot. Solutions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMan69 View Post
    Even as a plan B. We seem to have one style of play, lots of skilful players, quick interchanging, but we know a lot of teams will sit back, and park the bus against us. Then the only way through is with a world class goal, or going out wide and throwing in crosses. But we don't have a 'natural' box striker. Even Sturridge drifts around a lot. Solutions?
    No we don't need that.

    Klopp does play that way.

    Close thread.
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    The absolute worst way to break down a team that parks the bus is to hoof it long and put in tonnes of crosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    The absolute worst way to break down a team that parks the bus is to hoof it long and put in tonnes of crosses.
    I remember that united game with Fulham where they put in 80 odd crosses and drew 2-2. Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKnucklesOfAgger View Post
    I remember that united game with Fulham where they put in 80 odd crosses and drew 2-2. Good times.
    Because parking the bus is specifically designed to counter that kind of football. It's to prevent long passes getting in behind a high line. You want to break down a defensive team, you don't just lump it to Benteke. You play football and try to draw them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKnucklesOfAgger View Post
    I remember that united game with Fulham where they put in 80 odd crosses and drew 2-2. Good times.
    Christ. I remember watching that in the barber shop and we were betting how many crosses they had put in. It was beyond ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMan69 View Post
    Even as a plan B. We seem to have one style of play, lots of skilful players, quick interchanging, but we know a lot of teams will sit back, and park the bus against us. Then the only way through is with a world class goal, or going out wide and throwing in crosses. But we don't have a 'natural' box striker. Even Sturridge drifts around a lot. Solutions?
    Yeah we sure didn't score enough goals last season
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    Sorry OP but you're very wrong. Quick interchanging is a great way to break down defences as it drags players out of position, which in turn allows 2nd, 3rd & 4th runners through.

    The reason we failed against those teams is because we DIDN'T play quick interchanging football. We were slow, nervous and our fullbacks who saw most of the ball didn't help much when in good positions.

    Spurs proved that last season. They play in a relatively similar way to us but with far superior fullbacks. They didn't change their style and didnt struggle against bus parkers
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMan69 View Post
    Even as a plan B. We seem to have one style of play, lots of skilful players, quick interchanging, but we know a lot of teams will sit back, and park the bus against us. Then the only way through is with a world class goal, or going out wide and throwing in crosses. But we don't have a 'natural' box striker. Even Sturridge drifts around a lot. Solutions?
    You are right. There's always room for a proper striker in any team, and Klopp isn't adverse to playing with one either
    And there is no one style of play that works at all times - even for Barcelona.

    As a matter of fact, I did detect Dom Solanke had something of the goal-hanger about him last night - so maybe he's our man !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    Because parking the bus is specifically designed to counter that kind of football. It's to prevent long passes getting in behind a high line. You want to break down a defensive team, you don't just lump it to Benteke. You play football and try to draw them out.
    Yeah. I had this discussion with a friend recently, there may be some merits to having a Hernandez type player in the squad, but I'm not sure whether it would make much difference at the end of the season in terms of how we play anyway.
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    There in lies the problem, these teams are being told to sit deep no matter what. Do not break out, do not try and press us back, sit and absorb the pressure, wait for a mistake and have one lone striker, or a pair of strikers waiting to run in behind us at every opportunity.
    Last season it worked several times.
    The reason it worked is simple, we don't have the types of players necessary to break down these teams. You need fast feet, tricks, an eye for a pass and above all strength.... too often we were overpowered by defences with big strong centre halfs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    Because parking the bus is specifically designed to counter that kind of football. It's to prevent long passes getting in behind a high line. You want to break down a defensive team, you don't just lump it to Benteke. You play football and try to draw them out.
    No it isn't

    It's designed to stop teams playing through you.

    There is no point in setting up to stop top teams that go wide and cross the ball, or try to hit a front man and play off him, - no top sides play like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoDiddley View Post
    No it isn't

    It's designed to stop teams playing through you.

    There is no point in setting up to stop top teams that go wide and cross the ball, or try to hit a front man and play off him, - no top sides play like that
    I see what you are both saying but it's actually much simpler than that. They are set up to stop us scoring... no matter what we try... and that is what we must overcome. We need to be more unpredictable.

    We pass side to side, to side to side, to side to side, then back, then side to side again and again for 90 mins. The biggest difference came when we had Can playing, he can also act like a bulldozer, picks up the ball and run at players, open up teams, the power he has when he runs is phenominal. He is the only one of our current crop of midfielders that has that power.

    (Actually Marcovic seems to have it too.... unfortunately he usually trips over the ball whilst in full flight)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    The absolute worst way to break down a team that parks the bus is to hoof it long and put in tonnes of crosses.
    If only you were a pundit.

    A lot of pundits and people on the radio think that the best way to beat these teams is sign Giroud/Benteke/Carroll and lump it into the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batteries View Post
    If only you were a pundit.

    A lot of pundits and people on the radio think that the best way to beat these teams is sign Giroud/Benteke/Carroll and lump it into the box.

    So true the mythical plan B.
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    No use getting into the tactics of it, the bottom line is we need a top class striker.


    I'll gladly accept being wrong if Firmino can show he's the number 9 we need, but I just don't see it.

    Sturridge is doing alright since the end of last season but we've been here before many times. I fully expect him to break down again this season.

    Origi's just back up.


    Groundhog day discussing this but I don't think we'll get anywhere until we sign a proper striker.
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    I think a fast foward who can finish would do us better than a target man tbh, surprised we are not in for aubermayang but seems we are going all out for keita / vvd or bust
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batteries View Post
    If only you were a pundit.

    A lot of pundits and people on the radio think that the best way to beat these teams is sign Giroud/Benteke/Carroll and lump it into the box.
    If you've spent 89min trying to dance around the bus and got nowhere you may as well try a big lump, or at least something different. Isn't that why we signed that defender to be the last minute emergency striker? forgot his name.

    I know that didn't work either but it was something the manager considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKnucklesOfAgger View Post
    I remember that united game with Fulham where they put in 80 odd crosses and drew 2-2. Good times.
    a moyes masterclass.
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    Is Jeffers still available?
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    Get Giroud
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMan69 View Post
    Even as a plan B. We seem to have one style of play, lots of skilful players, quick interchanging, but we know a lot of teams will sit back, and park the bus against us. Then the only way through is with a world class goal, or going out wide and throwing in crosses. But we don't have a 'natural' box striker. Even Sturridge drifts around a lot. Solutions?
    We had that with beneteke and it was ****. The whole plan B stuff is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    We had that with beneteke and it was ****. The whole plan B stuff is nonsense.
    But then again Benteke is average, United did well with a plan B
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    But then again Benteke is average, United did well with a plan B
    United's A game plan B, and no they did not do well their attack was terrible. Ibra was such an inhibitor to their attack it killed them.
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    Let's bring back Caulker
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    United's A game plan B, and no they did not do well their attack was terrible. Ibra was such an inhibitor to their attack it killed them.
    United created a lot of chances just that players were not clinical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    United created a lot of chances just that players were not clinical
    They looked their best and created their best play when they had a fluid attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmreSam View Post
    Let's bring back Caulker
    Actually Matip should have got the 9 Jersey. Or maybe Vvd is coming to play striker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToTaLxTc View Post
    Is Jeffers still available?
    You had to say it.
    ?
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    Maybe saying Plan B was the death of this thread. At no point did I mention route one football. I'm saying we need a clinical striker who prefers to play in the box. Spurs have Kane. Last season Chelsea had Costa and United had Ibrahimovic. I just feel we have a lot of players who drift around a lot and we were somewhat found out last season, when teams sat back against us.
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