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    The captain's armband is virtually irrelevant with Klopp in charge. He controls and directs everything from the touchline and is not likely to defer or take kindly to any player who interferes with that process. There is only one person in charge of this team and it works very well like that.

    On balance having Henderson or another wear the armband is mostly just a ceremonial honour to swop the club pennants and call heads or tails. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardyards View Post
    The captain's armband is virtually irrelevant with Klopp in charge. He controls and directs everything from the touchline and is not likely to defer or take kindly to any player who interferes with that process. There is only one person in charge of this team and it works very well like that.

    On balance having Henderson or another wear the armband is mostly just a ceremonial honour to swop the club pennants and call heads or tails. That's all.
    Can't agree with that mate, Hendo leads the team on the pitch
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    We really didn't need another Henderson thread discussion.

    No debate has divided people this much since man developed pizza with pineapple on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    We really didn't need another Henderson thread discussion.

    No debate has divided people this much since man developed pizza with pineapple on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Can't agree with that mate, Hendo leads the team on the pitch
    I get why you show the support but I honestly reckon him getting the armband was the worst thing that could've happened to him at the club. It just got in the way of his game and his overall development. It's limited him and has been too much of a drain on his resources as a player. In reality I'd still say that it's Klopps leadership that makes the team tick on the pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    We really didn't need another Henderson thread discussion.

    No debate has divided people this much since man developed pizza with pineapple on it
    Erghh pineapple Pizza is disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenF2015 View Post
    Actually, calling me out on minor detail (yes players position is officially CM for record purposes, but he plays more than that role including DM/HM) is the very definition of pedantic.

    Are we buying him for a laugh then? The purpose of forking out big money for such a versatile player is to use his versatility. When you consider we already have an abundance of midfielders who push forward and the likely departure of Lucas, there's an almost undoubtable chance he'll be spending many games in the holding role.
    Dont be so aggressive! Of course we aren't buying him for a laugh. But we are not buying him as a DM. 70 mill is not the money you spend on a position that we are already in reasonable shape with. Both Hendo and Can can play there and Hendo if he is fit - which Klopp will know better than you or I, he will play Hendo. We are only looking at two senior positions/players and that tells me Hendo will be fit and of course will still be captain.
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    With Henderson we were fighting for the title. Without Henderson we were fighting for 4th.

    We are a better team with him. He just needs to stay fully fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRiedle View Post
    Erghh pineapple Pizza is disgusting.
    See
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYscouser View Post
    With Henderson we were fighting for the title. Without Henderson we were fighting for 4th.

    We are a better team with him. He just needs to stay fully fit.


    What nonsense. With Mane, Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana and Matip all fit we were fighting for the title. We started losing pace when Matip got injured and it only got worse from there. It actually spiralled into some ridiculously bad form that only turned around when Henderson got injured. Though I'm not going to say Henderson's missing helped us but he definitely wasn't missed as it was our midfield players (Wijinaldum, Emre and even Lucas) who stepped up and turned our form around. I really don't get how Henderson becomes some vital cog despite nothing backing it up. The 5 players I mentioned up top were the key players to our form.
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    What actual value does the captain have other than being a good example to other players? If henderson is the hardest worker then im happy. In klopp i trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctnumpty1 View Post
    What actual value does the captain have other than being a good example to other players? If henderson is the hardest worker then im happy. In klopp i trust.
    Comments like these show just how unfit he is for the captain role. When fans are lowering their expectations of what an lfc captain should be to accommodate Henderson that is ridiculous.

    It is embarrassing that fans have accepted that being a model professional makes you lfc captain material, talk about setting the bar low. That should be a pretty requisite to he an lfc player not captain.
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    He is a frustrating player but he has his die hard fans for some reason I fail to understand
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    Should never have been made captain in the first place. Was hoping to see him leave this window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    Hendo is a good captain. We should make him one for life really.
    You're drunk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Runkle View Post
    Should never have been made captain in the first place. Was hoping to see him leave this window.
    Could not agree more
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    Seriously? Another Henderson thread?

    Proper football needs to start again soon.

    Henderson if fully fit, will start as our captain and starting DM this season. It is going to happen, and those that don't like it, can cry into their drinks. Klopp trusts him to be his DM and captain.

    The only question is if he's not fully fit - Klopp doesn't do sentiment, so he might make a different call (from a captain point of view). Though unless you go down the route of giving the armband to the best player and give it to Phil, there are limited choices for captain the current squad - Matip maybe, but seems a little quiet.

    I rate Henderson as a leader - but I do miss having a whole spine of leaders throughout the team - Reina, Carra, Sami, Xabi, Stevie - all could have been captain in that 2008 team.
    I'm the normal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRiedle View Post
    Erghh pineapple Pizza is disgusting.
    Pizza is no longer a pizza without pineapple.
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    Oh wonderful! Another one of those crap threads!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    He is a frustrating player but he has his die hard fans for some reason I fail to understand
    Ha ha, 'for some reason'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardyards View Post
    The captain's armband is virtually irrelevant with Klopp in charge. He controls and directs everything from the touchline and is not likely to defer or take kindly to any player who interferes with that process. There is only one person in charge of this team and it works very well like that.

    On balance having Henderson or another wear the armband is mostly just a ceremonial honour to swop the club pennants and call heads or tails. That's all.
    agree
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    Captains are massively important but you need captains in the three main areas of the spine. Attack, midfield and defence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Runkle View Post
    Should never have been made captain in the first place. Was hoping to see him leave this window.
    Agree
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    Lallana has already been the on field leader of the team for some time.

    That's despite the arm throwing, swearing, and pointing that Henderson makes a fool of himself with.

    Problem is Lallana wont be starting as first choice this season.

    Personally I think the time is right to give it to Coutinho. Think he would get even better with the responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I think he's a good but not excellent player who's our best option for captain at this moment in time.
    Aye, this.

    Unfortunately none of our players closest to being captain material (Hendo, Milner and Lallana) are guaranteed to be on the pitch for 50 games next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivapewlDivas View Post
    I really could care less about the captaincy's armband.

    All that matters is the XI on the pitch all communicate, enjoy playing their stuff that they've been working on in training.. simple as that.
    Couldn't care less!

    COULD NOT CARE LESS!!!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenF2015 View Post
    I think you will find us using Keita in that role you self righteous, pedantic, keyboard warrior.
    Why are you getting so defensive? He is right and you are wrong.

    Keita is not a holding midfielder. I can link you to some videos and/or articles about him if you'd like to find out a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Mike View Post
    I disagree with the OP's suggestion that Henderson is better than Can. They both have pluses and minuses. They both can contribute.

    I prefer Can when physicality is needed but I'd understand if others take a different view. And I find Henderson's gestures/instructions to other players during games annoying because most of the time he's simply wrong or they are pointless.

    That said, the armband is not changing any time soon unless he has another injury plagued season. If that happens, a change will have to be made next summer.
    I agree with all of your post except the bolded, you're clutching there.

    Henderson constantly pointing backwards when others have the ball is easy ammunition for the "he always passes backwards" narrative but that's simply false.

    As a player I'm not keen, as a captain I'm not keen, but the pointing he does is one of the things I like. He's not telling everyone to pass it backwards, he's simply letting them know that, if they need it, there's a safe option available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenF2015 View Post
    Actually, calling me out on minor detail (yes players position is officially CM for record purposes, but he plays more than that role including DM/HM) is the very definition of pedantic.

    Are we buying him for a laugh then? The purpose of forking out big money for such a versatile player is to use his versatility. When you consider we already have an abundance of midfielders who push forward and the likely departure of Lucas, there's an almost undoubtable chance he'll be spending many games in the holding role.
    No it's not. The purpose of spending so much big money on Keita is because he's a top class central midfielder.

    As long as we keep Henderson and Can, there is not " an almost undoubtable chance he'll be spending many games in the holding role."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everlastingrobbiefowler View Post
    Lallana
    If we sign Keita then Lallana won't even be starting the majority of our games next season
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