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    A few questions:

    Q1. Can someone please explain what a DM does exactly?

    Genuine question and please don't say "protect the defense", "sits in front of that back four". If it's just another defender playing slightly ahead, why can't a ball playing CB be used in a more advanced role.

    Q3. The last player that played this position for Liverpool (from what I understand) was Mascherano. Am I right or does Lucas also become a DM? What about Gerrard under Rodgers?

    Q4. Also - do Liverpool need a DM as we are slowly becoming a lethal counter-attacking team as opposed to under Rodgers where we were confused.

    Q5. In what types of systems and what types of formations are DMs best used?

    Q6. Best DMs in the world are....?
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    1. A DM breaks up the oppositions attacking play, then try to Find the nearest teammate as fast as he can.

    2. ..?

    3. Yes, I think Lucas qualifies as a DM. Gerrard was more the playmaker IMO

    4. Every top team needs a proper DM, as this possition is important for the counter attack.

    5. 4-2-3-1, 4-14-1

    6. Kante
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    Busquets and Kante are about the best for me.
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    To answer question 2, no height or size isn't important for a player in this position. Physicality can be extremely useful and important but a players size does not restrict him in the role.
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    Kante isn't a DM but more like a box to box destroyer. Matic is the DM and Bakayoko will be this season. Kante is similar to how Mascherano was for us when paired with Xabi.

    Casemiro is arguably the best DM in the world. Busquets and Biglia aren't far behind.
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    I miss monster Masch, was a joy watching him sprint 40yards to rip the ball off someone.

    The best formation for us imo, especially while trying to tighten up defense, is 4-2-3-1.

    Coutinho needs to be in the Gerrard behind Torres role, as does Firmino, ideal formation for them too.
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    Whether up or down the pitch, this person has to have eyes which follow the game and needs to cut out that danger and turn it around as immediately as possible. Can not be a one man army with our present way of playing the game, needs to have quick hard working attacking midfielders and forwards doing the right things too by being aware of the spaces around them. Can and Henderson are good DMs but the Xabi type of player they are not. Perhaps Keita is that. Although he is more box to box. Of the types of DM who have played, Xabi is my favourite. Destroyers like Masch are limited in my opinion. Claude Makelele who became the first real DM had the likes of Zidane being a midfiled partner ... The way Liverpool is playing football these days, we need probably someone like Keita to keep it quick in midfield and that the opposition would be more occupied with us than the other way around. No. I do not believe Klopp needs a DM destroyer. He wants to play a team of very alert players who know what to do at every phase of the game. Problem is keeping this up in a game.
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    I think some confusion comes in that you can refer to DM as a position, and DM as a player role, and they aren't always the same thing. When we played with Alonso and Mascherano, Alonso would sit in the position that would be referred to as DM, but Mascherano was the more defensive player.
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    Google or better yet YouTube Claud makalele , this will answer all your questions , the position is literally named after him " the makalele role "
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    Momo sissoko, gatuso Where pretty good aswell
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    Desailly best I have seen and he didn't always play there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klopphopper View Post
    Desailly best I have seen and he didn't always play there.
    I thought he was a cb , amazing player but not better than makalele, especially in that position
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everlastingrobbiefowler View Post
    I thought he was a cb , amazing player but not better than makalele, especially in that position
    He played both positions at different times for both club and country. Makalele was great as well.
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    didi hamaan was good for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nelly- View Post
    I think some confusion comes in that you can refer to DM as a position, and DM as a player role, and they aren't always the same thing. When we played with Alonso and Mascherano, Alonso would sit in the position that would be referred to as DM, but Mascherano was the more defensive player.
    This is part of the confusion. I have seen Makalele play, but to be honest that is just one person. Is this an important type of player?

    Or do we just need good energetic midfielders who can run with and without the ball, can pass and shoot as well. And build an understanding on who defends and who attacks and keep switching.

    Or do we need the player to be a specialist in a position and that's all he does.
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    As others have mentioned, they break up play...some even set up counters.

    They mop up where the defence fails basically, positioning sense has to be key and they have to intercept the 2nd balls.

    they work best as a 4231 like Klopp's formation as Dortmund...Sven bender and Nuri Sahin.

    Or conte's 352....with Kante and Matic

    Best DM's today are Busquets, Kante, Matic, Bakayoko & Verratti....you could add Carrick, Motta and Khedira of previous years.
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    My ideal Dm has to have game intelligence, read the play before it takes place,great tackler, physically imposing and able to carry the ball from a position of danger into an attack
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    Dm is simple. They are really used for any formation that isn't 442 although even then historically you'd have a tougher tackling cm. This is because wingers don't come back as much. Top dms assess where the attack is coming and shuffle across to snuff it out and close angles. The very best read the moment opposition players will look to shift the ball and cut the angles. Pure long ball teams nullify dms and a high pressing side like us in theory don't need them as much as the theory is you win ball high up the pitch or force opposition to play long balls.

    Kante is the best I've seen in this position but Lucas was much better at this than people realise.I

    Do we need one? Yes, gives you excellent options but not sure who I would go for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeemI View Post
    Kante isn't a DM but more like a box to box destroyer. Matic is the DM and Bakayoko will be this season. Kante is similar to how Mascherano was for us when paired with Xabi.

    Casemiro is arguably the best DM in the world. Busquets and Biglia aren't far behind.


    Yes he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmo the cat View Post


    Yes he is.
    He isn't. He is a destroyer. Matic is their DM hence why they bought Bakayoko this season as he's leaving. At Leicester Drinkwater was the DM because a DM is the one who sits and protects the defence hence why Kante always needs someone to stay back.

    Kante isn't similar to Busquets, Casemiro or Biglia is he?
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    [QUOTE=KeemI;12649291]He isn't. He is a destroyer. Matic is their DM hence why they bought Bakayoko this season as he's leaving. At Leicester Drinkwater was the DM because a DM is the one who sits and protects the defence hence why Kante always needs someone to stay back.

    Kante isn't similar to Busquets, Casemiro or Biglia is he?[/QUOTE

    "A destroyer" so that means he defends for the most part...? So then he must be a DM, right?
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    [QUOTE=Dutch-scouser;12649294]
    Quote Originally Posted by KeemI View Post
    He isn't. He is a destroyer. Matic is their DM hence why they bought Bakayoko this season as he's leaving. At Leicester Drinkwater was the DM because a DM is the one who sits and protects the defence hence why Kante always needs someone to stay back.

    Kante isn't similar to Busquets, Casemiro or Biglia is he?[/QUOTE

    "A destroyer" so that means he defends for the most part...? So then he must be a DM, right?

    In my view he is more than that. Defensively he is excellent but what makes him rare is his ability to pop up everywhere at once. I haven't seen anyone like that since Masch in his prime. His managers know he isn't the type to sit around in front of the defence so they always partner him with a less mobile midfielder who sits and protects the CBs. Kante stop's attacks up the pitch and his the type to make a last ditch tackle when they are being countered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaros View Post
    I miss monster Masch, was a joy watching him sprint 40yards to rip the ball off someone.

    The best formation for us imo, especially while trying to tighten up defense, is 4-2-3-1.

    Coutinho needs to be in the Gerrard behind Torres role, as does Firmino, ideal formation for them too.
    I also think that a 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 would make us a better balanced side though we would need a very fit DS or equivalent as the 1 up top and better full backs than we presently have, though I do have big hope for TAA.
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    Just watch Kante or Gueye, that's what a DM does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeemI View Post
    He isn't. He is a destroyer. Matic is their DM hence why they bought Bakayoko this season as he's leaving. At Leicester Drinkwater was the DM because a DM is the one who sits and protects the defence hence why Kante always needs someone to stay back.

    Kante isn't similar to Busquets, Casemiro or Biglia is he?
    FFS, yes he is.

    Just because he also has the quality to step forward when required, doesn't mean he is a box to box midfielder. He plays a DM for Chavs and the same at Leicester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaros View Post
    I miss monster Masch.
    I thought he was seriously overrated. No way would I have anyone in my team that limited going forwards with the ball. 'Yeah, but that isn't his job'. It isn't Busquest's job either and the difference between the two players couldn't be any more stark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider-neil View Post
    I thought he was seriously overrated. No way would I have anyone in my team that limited going forwards with the ball. 'Yeah, but that isn't his job'. It isn't Busquest's job either and the difference between the two players couldn't be any more stark.
    You are very right spidey.

    Chavs walked the league last season with Matic, Kante and Fabregas all playing that DM role but can also come forward and pick a pass.

    Man city, Fernandinho.
    Spurs, Dier and Wanyama
    Scum, Carrick

    Busquets, Modric, Martinez, Kante Matic, Xabi Alonso, Verratti. All played DM role last season but all have vision and ability to move the ball quickly and accurately.
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