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    I hope Argentina lose
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    It's crazy alright, they have so many strong sides, you'd imagine England would barely ever qualify if we were in their group. Our group is laughable in comparison, but then they get more spots so I guess it kind of evens out (but not really, I reckon all 10 would give us a run for our money tbh).

    Crazy to think a team like Peru have scored 10 more goals than Argentina in this group though, with all their attacking talent, in fact only Bolivia have scored fewer. Brazil on the other hand have run away with it and made it look relatively easy, even Paulinho has scored more than Messi.
    It just defies belief - how can a squad with Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Icardi, Dybala and di Maria not even average a goal a game? What the hell are they playing at? Even if they can't win games the least they should be able to do is score goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    It just defies belief - how can a squad with Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Icardi, Dybala and di Maria not even average a goal a game? What the hell are they playing at? Even if they can't win games the least they should be able to do is score goals.
    Unlike other sports,may be players don't bother much when playing for the national team.That's the impression one gets with most teams.

    Guess countries with strong footballing roots where the intensity of club football,rivalry is so strong..that's what gets the players,fans
    going?

    Like if you compare England to Japan,football is popular in both the countries but don't think the local rivalry in Japan is as strong as
    in England.

    Having seen International football prior to watching the club football,i always felt...most players somehow underperform for their country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollertoaster View Post
    Unlike other sports,may be players don't bother much when playing for the national team.That's the impression one gets with most teams.

    Guess countries with strong footballing roots where the intensity of club football,rivalry is so strong..that's what gets the players,fans
    going?

    Like if you compare England to Japan,football is popular in both the countries but don't think the local rivalry in Japan is as strong as
    in England.

    Having seen International football prior to watching the club football,i always felt...most players somehow underperform for their country.
    Another thing to consider is that all those high profile players named have to travel extensively for international duty while the slightly lesser players making up most of their opposition don't as they play in the local leagues. While charter jets and the like make such travel less burdensome than it might otherwise be, there is still a notable impact.
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    More than just travel, I think having their players develop all over the world now, Brazil and Argentina have lost the souls of their teams. Brazil seem to be recovering a bit, but the last WC was beyond embarrassing for them.

    Looking at Argentina's squads for their '86 and '14 teams tells a story.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986...C2.A0Argentina

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014...uads#Argentina
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Argentina need a result against Ecuador or they are out.
    Yeah, got a bit too focused on how to include the game for the side guaranteed a top five finish and with time running out (lunch) overlooked Argentina

    Remarkably they haven't failed to qualify for a World Cup since 1970! Half decent record since with a couple of wins and a , only Brazil have never failed to qualify for a World Cup from this region - although the debate as to how many places they should have could look at them having 3 places in the 1982 World Cup.... (ARG/BRA/CIL/PER) There were 24 teams at the finals with Argentina qualifying as champions in a World Cup when there were only 16 teams of which only 3 were from South America and Argentina qualified as hosts (ARG/BRA/PER). When it was 16 teams in 1970 with no South American hosts or holders they still had 3 places, although back then I gather a lot less countries entered qualifying and from time to time some countries get banned eg Chile and indeed I think Mexico at one stage, not that they're in CONMEBOL.

    Anyway, all issues in CONMEBOL decided Tuesday

    BRA vs CIL
    ECU vs ARG
    PAR vs VEN
    PER vs COL
    URU vs BOL

    Not sure why they need to play 18 games, could easily play two groups of 5 and play 8 games more in line with other regions eg Europe, with a play-off of 3rd vs 3rd for the final spot or 3rds and 4ths play semis and two legged final so they bump their games total up a bit (or even play 2x home and 2x away = 16)
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by white star line View Post
    i hope argentina lose
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    So UEFA, Scotland play today in their decisive round. (looks like someone's made a mess of editing wiki!)

    Holland look all but out barring a massive win over Sweden (7-0 I think), Hungary are a moderate team out already, Czechs and Norway are also out as are Austria with Wales playing Republic of Ireland tomorrow (on S4C I believe) to see who might get a play-off or even automatic spot. Romania are out, Slovakia or Scotland will be out by close of play today and Turkey are out with Croatia hosting Ukraine to see who will finish in the top two spots in their group.

    Relatively big or have been in recent years countries that are out (or all but) - Holland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Norway, Romania, Turkey.



    Bar a lean spell in the 80s before their 1988 European Championship triumph, not qualifying for a World Cup beginning 198* and an even leaner spell between 1958 and 1970 when they entered but did not qualify, Holland have only previously missed the 2002 World Cup out of the last seven. Maybe we think of them as big, but only because normally when they are good they ARE good.... I mean in those last six finals appearances they have come 2nd, 3rd and 4th which not many countries could boast.
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    First signs of getting the excuses in early eh miss....... (reference to the chain of adds and Southgate's penalty, miss)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41540057

    Quote Originally Posted by bbc
    Southgate admits he and the players he will take to next summer's World Cup in Russia still have to prove their credentials at the highest level

    When we're in semi-finals, finals, winning trophies, then we're big players. Until that point, we have it all to prove.
    Well duh! But you can't prove you are a winner in any competition until you win it, and if he's suggesting because they ain't won CL etc well the mancs won the Europa League n'est pas, besides even back when we, the mancs and chelski won trophies in Europe, be it late 90s or mid 00s, England were still floundering at the QF stage at best so his point is rather point-less.........

    Maybe he'd have been better saying the team need to strive hard, work on weaknesses like breaking down defences and build on an ongoing unbeaten qualifying record that counts for zip when you get to finals after finals and do nothing. After all qualifying is seeded and there's rarely more than one big fish in England's group, it's not like the unbeaten run or regular qualifying for finals means much as they won't play Germany, Spain etc very often if ever and even then there's play-offs. It's not like the system Wales suffered at the hands of times in the past where the groups were four 'strong' and only one qualified.

    England might benefit from qualifying from CONMEBOL, at least they'd have to adapt to playing better sides in competitive matches in climates they will face most other continents ie not British weather. Reckon England would still qualify more often than not, but perhaps be better prepared for the finals.
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    Scotland wearing that awful pink kit again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    Scotland wearing that awful pink kit again.
    A most inappropriate strip fer a bunch of hairy-arsed Scotsmen tae wear tae a game o' fitba'

    och, the shame of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    A most inappropriate strip fer a bunch of hairy-arsed Scotsmen tae wear tae a game o' fitba'

    och, the shame of it.
    It looks even worse once they've lost too. They wanted to go out as men, but instead flounce out in pink.

    Anyways, desperate for Wales to be joining the party after tonight, hoping there is no luck of the Irish featuring
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    It looks even worse once they've lost too. They wanted to go out as men, but instead flounce out in pink.

    Anyways, desperate for Wales to be joining the party after tonight, hoping there is no luck of the Irish featuring
    Pob Iwc!

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    Second leg Australia 2 Syria 1

    Australia 3-2 on aggregate.
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    'Okey doke, we'll leave it there so'
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    Is it still in Russia?
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    Argentina in.

    So Peru play off against NZ.
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    23 teams now confirmed as participants at World Cup 2018.

    Russia
    Belgium
    England
    France
    Germany
    Iceland
    Poland
    Portugal
    Serbia
    Spain
    Argentina
    Brazil
    Colombia
    Uruguay
    Iran
    Japan
    South Korea
    Saudi Arabia
    Costa Rica
    Mexico
    Panama
    Egypt
    Nigeria
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    9 places still up for grabs,

    4 from UEFA play-offs
    Honduras or Australia
    Peru or New Zealand
    Tunisia or DR Congo
    Morocco or Ivory Coast
    Senegal or South Africa or Burkina Faso or Cape Verde
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Second leg Australia 2 Syria 1

    Australia 3-2 on aggregate.
    Australian media already (predictably) acting as though the WC is as good as theirs!! I'll say that for Australia, they hate being second at anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountbeautygeorge View Post
    Australian media already (predictably) acting as though the WC is as good as theirs!! I'll say that for Australia, they hate being second at anything.
    There's a saying here in NZ… 'The second worst noise in the world is the sound of an Australian who's lost. The worst noise of all is an Australian who's won.'

    Of course, I don't subscribe to that.

    There was a song released a few Olympics ago, with the lyrics 'We don't care how many medals we get, as long as we beat New Zealand!'
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    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountbeautygeorge View Post
    Australian media already (predictably) acting as though the WC is as good as theirs!! I'll say that for Australia, they hate being second at anything.
    After narrowly beating a side who have to travel 9000 miles for home games and are in the middle of a civil war? Yeh real world beaters.

    More surprising is that Cahill is still their best player at 37!
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    USA USA

    They need to fire everyone at the top who thought it'd be a good idea hire Bruce Arenas back again. My word, our team is a mess.

    No midfield, no defense, no GK, and no style of play.

    We deserve this and need to completely change directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    USA USA

    They need to fire everyone at the top who thought it'd be a good idea hire Bruce Arenas back again. My word, our team is a mess.

    No midfield, no defense, no GK, and no style of play.

    We deserve this and need to completely change directions.
    Amen. What a disgrace that side was. Then again, can you expect more from a lot that think MLS is something to strive for and be happy with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri_Bates View Post
    Amen. What a disgrace that side was. Then again, can you expect more from a lot that think MLS is something to strive for and be happy with?
    When they had Beckerman in their side for almost a decade, you know **** is bad. He makes Henderson look like Zidane.

    They had that big wave of talent, and then nothing. Donovan, Beasley, Howard, Twellman all brought through the academy and so on, and now they have Pulisic.

    Give him the ball and hope he does something with it.

    Also, I think it's a bad idea to put weights in all the players boots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri_Bates View Post
    Amen. What a disgrace that side was. Then again, can you expect more from a lot that think MLS is something to strive for and be happy with?
    Great result for everyone - seems most thought all they had to do was turn up and the game was theirs.....

    In the end the Trinidad team gave the USA, that 1950 moment that the USA gave England.....
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    Also, that 'goal' for Panama, that never crossed the line.... didn't they have goal line technology?

    That sealed the deal for the US.

    Wonder if they can retroactively go back and put he US in the World Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Great result for everyone - seems most thought all they had to do was turn up and the game was theirs.....

    In the end the Trinidad team gave the USA, that 1950 moment that the USA gave England.....
    I'd say there’s even a lot in official America that are happy not to have to deal with everything involved in sending a team to Russia next summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    There's a saying here in NZ… 'The second worst noise in the world is the sound of an Australian who's lost. The worst noise of all is an Australian who's won.'

    Of course, I don't subscribe to that.

    There was a song released a few Olympics ago, with the lyrics 'We don't care how many medals we get, as long as we beat New Zealand!'
    but I do..............
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