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    Typical international break thread.
    threads, I couldn't see one for the World Cup. It's getting close, qualification is heating up, so here's a state of play breakdown after yesterday's games and what games are left to play in the UEFA qualifying region.

    Once qualifying is over this could be used for the finals etc.


    Group A
    1. France P7 PTS 16 (GD +10)
    2. Sweden P7 PTS 13 (GD +7)
    3. Bulgaria P7 PTS 12 (GD -2)
    4. Netherlands P7 PTS 10 (GD +3)

    Netherlands host Bulgaria and Sweden in their last game, away to Belarus inbetween. Win all three games and Netherlands could pinch 2nd but seems unlikely on tiebreaker with Sweden facing the two teams at the bottom who’ve won once each and one of those in the match between them.

    France host Luxembourg then Belarus in their last game, two wins in those games should render the result away in Bulgaria immaterial.

    Sweden travel to Belarus, then host Luxembourg. Wins in both would leave them on 19 points and tiebreakers should Netherlands beat them in the final game would be GD then goals scored. If it went to head to head then they drew in Sweden so Netherlands by winning this game to go to a tiebreaker would take it on that.


    Group B
    1. Switzerland P7 PTS 21 (GD +12)
    2. Portugal P7 PTS 18 (GD +23)
    3. Hungary P7 PTS 10 (GD +3)

    For Hungary to catch Portugal they’d have to win all three of their games and Portgual pick up no more than one point (with a heavy GD swing) or lose all three the more likely route.

    Portugal do have to travel to Hungary, a chance to make a dent in the GD, and host Switzerland so again potential loss of points and GD, but travel to Andorra inbetween.

    Hungary would have to beat Portugal and Faroes at home, and win in Switzerland who have won all 7 games.


    Group C
    1. Germany P7 PTS 21 (GD +27)
    2. N.Ireland P7 PTS 16 (GD +12)
    3. Czech Rep. P7 PTS 9 (GD +3)

    If Norway lose in Germany then they can’t catch N.Ireland, if N.Ireland beat Czech Rep. in Belfast then the Czechs can’t catch them either, rendering the top two clashing in Belfast merely a game that might decide who finishes top.

    N.Ireland will be hoping both they and Germany win otherwise a loss at home to the Czechs, then at home to Germany, and in Norway could see them pick up zero points with the Czechs playing in Azerbaijan and at home to San Marino.


    Group D
    1. Serbia P6 PTS 12 (GD +6)
    2. Rep.Ireland P6 PTS 12 (GD +4)
    3. Wales P6 PTS 8 (GD +4)
    4. Austria P6 PTS 8 (GD +1)

    After playing Wales in Cardiff, Austria host Georgia then Serbia and finish in Moldova.

    The Irish play in Georgia, host Serbia and Moldova before travelling to Cardiff in their final game.

    Serbia host Moldova next, Georgia in the last game and travel to Dublin and Austria in the middle.

    Wales host Austria and the Irish, travel to Moldova and Georgia inbetween.

    A lot could be decided by the head to head games, Wales and Austria need to catch up four points so they’ll want to be the winner tonight and see defeats inflicted by each other on the top two. Neither Georgia nor Moldova have won yet, in fact they have five draws between them and four accounted for by their two head to head draws, so the Irish and Serbians will be optimistic of at least six more points apiece which would all but end any feint hopes the others have of catching them.


    Group E
    1. Poland P7 PTS 16 (GD +4)
    2. Montenegro P7 PTS 13 (GD +10)
    3. Denmark P7 PTS 13 (GD +8)
    4. Romania P7 PTS 9 (GD +1)

    The Danes travel to Armenia and then Montenegro before finishing at home to qualification outsiders Romania.

    Poland host Kazkhakstan, travel to Armenia and then host Montenegro so will be optimistic of two home wins and of avoiding defeat in Armenia who have already beaten Montenegro this campaign.

    Montenegro host Romania then Denmark and travel to Poland in their last game. No easy run in, they’ll be hoping for two home wins and that Denmark slip up at least once on their travels.


    Group F
    1. England P7 PTS 17 (GD +12)
    2. Slovakia P7 PTS 15 (GD +9)
    3. Scotland P7 PTS 11 (GD +2)
    4. Slovenia P7 PTS 11 (GD +2)


    England host Slovakia and Slovenia before heading off to Lithuania for their final game, a win in the first should see them safe in top two placings and winning both home games will be enough to finish top.

    Scotland need to win their remaining games to have much hope of finishing 2nd. They host Malta then Slovakia, then finish off in Slovenia.

    If Slovakia lose their two games away to England then Scotland they will expect to beat Malta at home which would give them 18 points, if Scotland can only manage 7 points it would come down to how much swing of GD, possibly goals scored and head to head with Slovakia having beaten Scotland 3-0 at home.

    Slovenia are in the same boat as Scotland, but even if they can beat Lithuania at home, get something at Wembley, and then beat Scotland, they likely won’t have enough GD to pip Slovakia who are likely to counter any away losses and GD damage at home to Malta.


    Group G
    1. Spain P6 PTS 16 (GD +18)
    2. Italy P6 PTS 16 (GD +14)
    3. Albania P6 PTS 9 (GD -1)
    4. Israel P6 PTS 9 (GD -3)

    Likely the top two will be fighting to finish top, Albania and Israel would have to gain 8 more points than the top two from the last four games although the top two play each other.

    A win for Spain in Liechtenstein and at home to Albania should see them safely in the top two, they host Italy so the outcome of that match may decide who wins the group.

    After that head to head Italy host Israel and Macedonia, then travel to Albania. For Albania to catch either of the top two they’d need to beat both, win in Macedonia and win at home to Liechtenstein. It is possible, but you’d think unlikely having lost 2-0 in Italy and at home to Spain, but 12 points and dropped points by one or both of the top two could open the door slightly. But you’d think the top two will be aided by the other games they have left.


    Group H
    1. Belgium P7 PTS 19 (GD +31)
    2. Greece P7 PTS 13 (GD +7)
    3. Bosnia P7 PTS 11 (GD +7)
    4. Cyprus P7 PTS 10 (GD -3)

    Belgium travel to Greece next, and then Bosnia, only a couple of defeats would open up the group and make Belgium vulnerable, hosting Cyprus in the last game which may end Cyprus’ chances of pinching 2nd.

    Bosnia travel to Gibraltar, then host Belgium and finish off in Estonia. They’ll be looking at three wins and pinching 2nd.

    Greece will be looking to beat Belgium at home, hope to win in Cyprus and beat Gibraltar at home. Cyrpus have beaten Bosnia at home, but otherwise only beaten Gibraltar (twice) so the top three will be reasonable looking to win games against the rest including Cyprus


    Group I
    1. Croatia P6 PTS 13 (GD +9)
    2. Iceland P6 PTS 13 (GD +3)
    3. Turkey P6 PTS 11 (GD +5)
    4. Ukraine P6 PTS 11 (GD +4)


    The last group the tightest group of all, home advantage and over rivals may prove the clincher.

    Croatia host Kosovo and Finland, the bottom two with no wins between them and only a draw each from their head to head. Croatia have to travel to Turkey next week and to Ukraine in the final round so might not add to their 19 points if they bank home wins.

    Iceland travel to Finland and Turkey, host Ukraine then Kosovo in the final game. If they can win their home games and win in Finland they’ll be hopeful of finishing top.

    Turkey travel to Ukraine and Finland, host Croatia and Iceland. They may influence the outcome of the group, if they can beat Croatia and Iceland at home, and win in Finland, their trip to Ukraine may decide their chances of qualifying.

    Ukraine host Turkey, Iceland and Croatia, then travel to Kosovo. They could well win all four games, top the group if they do, and looks like they will be the biggest factor in who qualifies despite being currently 4th. They lost in Croatia, drew in Turkey, and at home to Iceland so lost only once to rivals and that away. No side has yet lost in Kosovo, although Finland have yet to play there having drawn at home to that side.
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    Well a few updates since I created the thread.

    Group D
    1. Serbia P7 PTS 15 (GD +9)
    2. Rep.Ireland P7 PTS 13 (GD +4)
    3. Wales P7 PTS 11 (GD +5)
    4. Austria P7 PTS 8 (GD 0)

    Having bossed most of the game and unlucky to lose to an excellent strike from some Welsh player plays for us, Woodburn, Austria host Georgia then Serbia and finish in Moldova.

    The Irish drew in Georgia, they host Serbia and Moldova before travelling to Cardiff in their final game.

    Serbia best Moldova 3-0, travel to Dublin and Austria in the middle then face Georgia in the last game

    Wales having got the 3 points against Austria travel to Moldova and Georgia then face the Irish in Cardiff, they will be hoping for 7-9 points.


    Wales made up a bit of ground on the Irish who will need to secure 3 points from their home game against Moldova and try to get something from their tough games against Wales and Serbia. Serbia look to have the tougher run in having to go to Dublin and Vienna with a slender 2 point lead at the top, even with Austria looking outsiders at this stage they have only lost by a one goal margin in each of their three defeats.


    Group G
    1. Spain P7 PTS 19 (GD +21)
    2. Italy P7 PTS 16 (GD +11)
    3. Albania P7 PTS 12 (GD +1)


    Spain dished out a bit of a spanking to the Italians who will now be nervously eyeing the Albanians behind them as much as hoping to make up 3 points and GD on the Spanish. Albania made unconvincing work of beating Liechtenstein, but know a win in Macedonia and at home to Italy might make the Italians a bit twitchy.

    In all probability though the Italians with home wins over Israel and Macedonia should put enough distance between them and Albania, Spain with points from games in Liechtenstein, Israel and at home to Albania in-between can secure top spot, a win in Liechtenstein on Tuesday would make sure of staying ahead of Albania and at least second.

    A win for Italy at home to Israel would leave Albania needing to beat Italy and most likely win their other games as well to catch them.



    Group I
    1. Ukraine P7 PTS 14 (GD +6)
    2. Croatia P6 PTS 13 (GD +9)
    3. Iceland P7 PTS 13 (GD +2)
    4. Turkey P7 PTS 11 (GD +3)

    The tightest group of all saw the Croatia-Kosovo game abandoned due to a waterlogged pitch allowing Ukraine to leap to the top of the table with a 2-0 win over Turkey

    Poor old Iceland lost in Finland for the home side's first win of the campaign, they and Kosovo cannot mathematically qualify. Iceland do have Ukraine at home and Kosovo last up from which they'll be wanting 6 points, a less comfortable trip to Turkey awaits them in-between though.

    Ukraine travel to Iceland, Kosovo and end at home to Croatia in what may be the group winner 'play-off'. It's too early to write any side off from the top four
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    5 teams have qualified so far

    Hosts - Russia
    Conmebol Winners - Brazil
    Asia grp a Winners - Iran
    Asia grp b Winners - Japan
    Concacaf Winners - Mexico

    Only 27 places up for grabs
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    AFC (Asia)

    Iran top group A and Japan group B to qualify for the World Cup. The remaining round of games will determine who will qualify with them and who will play-off (against each other) to face a play-off against a team from CONCACAF.

    Group A
    1. Iran P9 PTS 21 (GD +8) - Iran have Qualified
    2. South Korea P9 PTS 14 (GD +1)
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    3. Syria P9 PTS 12 (GD +1)
    4. Uzbekistan P9 PTS 12 (GD -1)
    5. China P9 PTS 9 (GD -3)

    China travel to already eliminated Qatar, Syria travel to already qualified Iran whilst Uzbekistan play South Korea.

    China can theoretically reach the play-off IF they win in Qatar, South Korea win in Uzbekistan and Syria lose in Iran with a GD shift in their favour.

    Syria and Uzbekistan will want wins to try and qualify automatically, a win for both and South Korea would be out with China.


    Group B
    1. Japan P9 PTS 20 (GD +11) - Japan have Qualified
    2. Saudi Arabia P9 PTS 16 (GD +6)
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    3. Australia P9 PTS 16 (GD +4)
    4. UAE P9 PTS 13 (GD -2)

    Iraq and Thailand have been eliminated, it's a three way fight to secure one automatic spot and the play-off spot.

    The socceroos host already eliminated Thailand so will be optimistic of securing at least the play-off spot. They need to gain GD on Saudi Arabia to pinch the second spot, currently they are a mere two goals scored behind so need to win by 3 clear goals if Saudi Arabia win 1-0 say. Japan's only loss was 2-1 at home to UAE.

    UAE need Japan to beat Saudi Arabia, Thailand to win in Australia and turn around their GD deficit so need a fair bit to go their way like China.
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    AFC (Africa)

    Still early days in the groups, the winners of each group qualify.

    Group A
    1. Tunisia P3 PTS 9
    2. DR Congo P3 PTS 6
    3. Guinea P3 PTS 3
    4. Libya P3 PTS 0


    Group B
    1. Nigeria P3 PTS 9
    2. Zambia P3 PTS 4
    3. Cameroon P3 PTS 2
    4. Algeria P3 PTS 1


    Group C
    1. Ivory Coast P3 PTS 7
    2. Morocco P3 PTS 5
    3. Gabon P3 PTS 2
    4. Mali P3 PTS 1


    Group D
    1. Burkina Faso P3 PTS 5
    2. Senegal P3 PTS 4
    3. South Africa P3 PTS 4
    4. Cape Verde P3 PTS 3


    Group E
    1. Uganda P3 PTS 7
    2. Egypt P3 PTS 6
    3. Ghana P3 PTS 1
    4. Congo P3 PTS 1


    Group D very very tight early on. Just to mention Moses has scored 3 goals, Salah, Iheanacho and Mikel 2 apiece. Keita has scored 1 goal.
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    OFC (Oceania)

    This is in the advanced stages, New Zealand qualifying from their group ahead of New Caledonia and Fiji, Solomon Islands seeing off Tahiti and Papua New Guinea.

    They've already played each other in the play-off 1st leg, 6-1 home win for the kiwis. The winners of the play-off will play the 5th placed team from CONMEBOL for a place at the World Cup.

    Quite why they can't merge this pointless region with Asia I'll never know, Australia had the sense to make the move.
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    CONMEBOL (South America)

    1. Brazil P15 PTS 36 (GD +27) - Brazil have qualified
    2. Colombia P15 PTS 25 (GD +3)
    3. Uruguay P15 PTS 24 (GD +9)
    4. Chile P15 PTS 23 (GD +2)
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    5. Argentina P15 PTS 23 (GD +1)
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    6. Peru P15 PTS 21 (GD 0)
    7. Paraguay P15 PTS 21 (GD -5)
    8. Ecuador P15 PTS 20 (GD +1)

    Bolivia (10 points) and Venezuela (7 points) are eliminated already. Three rounds of games to go, 5 points separate 2nd from 8th.


    Colombia host Brazil, Paraguay then travel to Peru, Brazil have only lost away to Chile. Two home wins should see them through, if they can secure them.

    Uruguay travel to Paraguay, already eliminated Venezuela, then host already eliminated Bolivia. They'll be confident with two games against teams already out.

    Chile travel to already eliminated Bolivia, host Ecuador then travel to Brazil. They'll want 6 points from the first two games which ought to be enough to reach at least the play-off

    Argentina host already eliminated Venezuela then Peru before travelling to Ecuador. They will probably need to pick up 7 points minimum to qualify automatically.

    Peru travel to Ecuador, then Argentina before hosting Colombia so two away games to sides above them and a home game against another. They may be hoping Colombia have qualified when they play, will probably want a win in Ecuador before hoping for something away to Argentina.

    Paraguay host Uruguay, travel to Colombia then host already eliminated Venezuela needing to pick up points on sides above them.

    Ecuador host Peru, travel to Chile and then host Argentina needing to win all three to qualify automatically you'd think.
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    CONCACAF (Central America)

    1. Mexico P7 PTS 17 (GD +8) - Mexico have qualified
    2. Costa Rica P7 PTS 14 (GD +7)
    3. USA P7 PTS 8 (GD +1)
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    4. Honduras P7 PTS 8 (GD -7)
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    5. Panama P7 PTS 7 (GD -1)
    6. Trinidad & Tobago P7 PTS 3 (GD -8)



    This criminal number of automatic places region is in the death throes. Usually R2 at the finals Mexico have already qualified and Costa Rica nearly joining them with THREE games to go. Mexico have qualified by dint of the fact USA have to play Honduras so can't both get 3 points.

    Costa Rica host Mexico then Honduras, finishing their campaign in Panama. They should secure the 3 points necessary to qualify.

    USA travel to Honduras, host Panama then travel to Trinidad & Tobago. They've already lost at home to Mexico and Costa Rica, and got spanked away to Costa Rica 4-0.

    Honduras host USA, travel to Costa Rica then host Mexico so basically play all the sides above them. They're only two wins have come home and away against the bottom team so will need to get better results from these games.

    Panama host Trinidad & Tobago, travel to USA then host Costa Rica having drawn all their home games and won only in Honduras

    Trinidad & Tobago travel to Panama, then Mexico, finishing at home to USA. Their only win was at home to Panama, probably reasonably safe to assume Honduras have a slim chance, Panama and Trinidad & Tobago next to none of automatic qualification and probably between Panama and Honduras for the play-off.



    About time this region and CONMEBOL merged, way too many places for CONMEBOL with only 10 teams even if they are good or better, and this region has USA and Mexico who reach the final thanks to so many places but rarely get beyond the second round - well they may make it to the next round when the finals are expanded.
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    Today's UEFA games

    Group A

    BLR vs SWE
    NED vs BUL
    FRA vs LUX

    A win for France and defeat for Bulgaria would see France assured of at least 2nd place. Netherlands will want 3 points and hope Sweden stumble in Belarus who've yet to lose at home with 0-0 draw vs France and a 2-1 win over Bulgaria tempered by their 1-1 draw against Luxembourg - and Sweden have only won away in Luxembourg, losing all other away games.

    Netherlands have lost their only home game against a side in the top three, but face the other two to make late amends.


    Group B

    FAR vs AND
    HUN vs POR
    LTV vs SWI

    A win for Switzerland will guarantee them at least 2nd place, they'll be hoping Hungary can beat or hold Portugal, the only three teams can qualify and contesting the two places - automatic and play-off. Hungary need to win all their remaining games to make the play-offs, Switzerland away and Faroes at home their other remaining fixtures.

    Most likely is a straight shootout see which of Portugal and Switzerland finishes top, Portugal have a big GD advantage but are 3 points behind, but they do play in Lisbon on 10th October as a potential decider.


    Group H

    EST vs CYP
    GRE vs BEL
    GIB vs BOS

    A win for Belgium sees them qualify, Bosnia will be eyeing up that scenario and a win in Gibraltar would see them leapfrog Greece. Bosnia do have to play Belgium at home, but by then they will likely have both feet and most of their minds in Russia. Greece only have Cyprus away and Gibraltar at home hereafter, Cyprus have only lost at home to Belgium, taking a narrow win over Bosnia as their best result to date.
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    Group A
    1. France P8 PTS 17 (GD +10)
    2. Sweden P8 PTS 16 (GD +11)
    3. Netherlands P8 PTS 13 (GD +5)
    4. Bulgaria P8 PTS 12 (GD -4)


    Surprise 0-0 for France at home to Luxembourg, first for something like 100 years, sees the group tighten up a bit at the top. Netherlands beat Bulgaria who now have only a slim hope of qualifying but could take points off France who they play next in Sofia

    Final game in Amsterdam between Netherlands and Sweden may decide 2nd place, or even 1st


    Group B
    1. Switzerland P8 PTS 24 (GD +15)
    2. Portugal P8 PTS 21 (GD +24)

    3. Hungary P8 PTS 10 (GD +2)

    Hungary's home loss to Portugal sees them eliminated and Switzerland fighting with Portugal for top spot. Portugal play in Andorra looking for even more goals which will see them ahead if it comes to GD which it may if they beat Switzerland in the last game in Lisbon.


    Group H
    1. Belgium P8 PTS 22 (GD +32) - Belgium have qualified
    2. Bosnia P8 PTS 14 (GD +11)
    3. Greece P8 PTS 13 (GD +6)
    4. Cyprus P8 PTS 10 (GD -4)

    In the weakest group Belgium won in Greece to qualify, Bosnia thumped Gibraltar to leapfrog Cyprus who lost in Estonia. In theory Cyprus and Estonia can pinch 2nd place, but Estonia would have to win handsomely in Gibraltar then beat Bosnia in the final game and hope no other side passes 14 points and they can turn around a -11 GD on Bosnia's +11 .............

    Cyprus would have to beat Greece, win in Belgium and hope for similar favourable results to stop Bosnia picking up 2+ points. Greece have slightly easier fixtures so may fancy pulling back that 1 point deficit.

    Bosnia - BOS vs BEL, EST vs BOS
    Cyprus - CYP vs GRE, GRE vs GIB
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    Group C
    1. Germany P8 PTS 24 (GD +33)
    2. N.Ireland P8 PTS 19 (GD +14)
    3. Azerbaijan P8 PTS 10 (GD -4)
    4. Czech Rep. P8 PTS 9 (GD +1)

    Norn Iron beat the Czechs 2-0 and knocked them out of the World Cup (qualification stage)

    Germany thumped Norway to leave them on the brink of qualifying as winners, need only a point from a trip to Windsor Park or at home to Azerbaijan, more likely they'll have one eye on winning 10 out of 10 and N.Ireland more than likely might as well take it easy as they are unlikely to catch the Germans.


    Group E
    1. Poland P8 PTS 19 (GD +7)
    2. Montenegro P8 PTS 16 (GD +11)
    3. Denmark P8 PTS 16 (GD +11)

    Denmark won handsomely in Armenia and Montenegro beat Romania 1-0 to whittle the contenders down to three. Despite winning 3-0 at home to Kazakhstan Poland have a weaker GD than the teams three points behind them.

    Montenegro will want to beat Denmark in Podgorica and aim to win in Warsaw to top the group, Poland will be optimistic of winning in Armenia then look to win at home to Montenegro - or a draw would suffice if Montenegro beat Denmark next up


    Group F
    1. England P8 PTS 20 (GD +13)
    2. Slovakia P8 PTS 15 (GD +8)
    3. Slovenia P8 PTS 14 (GD +6)
    4. Scotland P8 PTS 14 (GD +4)


    England made hard work of beating Slovakia, part one of a three part plan for Scotland to sneak 2nd place. Slovenia slaughtered Lithuania 4-0 to leapfrog Scotland so part two will need England to beat Slovenia and leave Scotland free to beat Slovakia and then hope to win in Lithuania and reach the play-offs.
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    Group D
    1. Serbia P8 PTS 18 (GD +10)
    2. Wales P8 PTS 14 (GD +7)
    3. Rep.Ireland P8 PTS 13 (GD +3)
    4. Austria P8 PTS 9 (GD +0)

    Austria couldn't beat Georgia so Wales remain likeliest to catch Rep. Ireland who lost at home to Serbia whilst Wales won 2-0 in Moldova quite late on.

    Austria have a slim chance of catching Wales, really a question of Serbia holding on for top spot with a trip to Austria then home game against Georgia, and who wins the battle for 2nd place with Wales travelling to Georgia next and Rep.Ireland at home to Moldova, then a head to head in Cardiff.


    Group G
    1. Spain P8 PTS 22 (GD +29)
    2. Italy P8 PTS 19 (GD +19)
    3. Albania P8 PTS 13 (GD +1)

    Spain won 8-0 in Liechtenstein, a win over Albania at home next up probably would see them (all but) qualify. Italy narrowly beat Israel 1-0 to keep them in 2nd and keep hope alive of finishing top, but realistically it will likely stay as is.


    Group I
    1. Croatia P8 PTS 16 (GD +9)
    2. Iceland P8 PTS 16 (GD +4)
    3. Turkey P8 PTS 14 (GD +4)
    4. Ukraine P8 PTS 14 (GD +4)

    Turkey beat Croatia and Iceland beat Ukraine to throw the group wide open again with 2 points covering the top 4 and 3 on identical GD. To come :

    CRO vs FIN, KOS vs UKR, TUR vs ICE
    FIN vs TUR, ICE vs KOS, UKR vs CRO

    Ukraine must be favourites with a trip to Kosovo who have lost all home games and only gained one draw (in Finland), then playing Ukraine at home. Two wins surely at this stage will see a team through.

    Turkey host Iceland then go to Finland who have lost half their home games and 3 away. If those 2 are favourites then Iceland will be hoping to get something in Turkey and beat Kosovo, even on 20 points they'd have stopped Turkey getting 20 and even if Ukraine won both their games that would mean Croatia would only be on 19...........

    Croatia may only need 4 points from Finland at home and Ukraine away, it may be hard to catch their +9 GD, but could be a fascinating final round of games unless Iceland win in Turkey, Ukraine lose in Kosovo and Croatia beat Finland which would leave Croatia and Iceland to tussle for top.
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    Who needs what to qualify for Russia next year
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41472696
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Who needs what to qualify for Russia next year
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41472696
    It's a bit silly, the hand-wringing over Argentina 'possibly missing out' if they finish in fifth place.

    They won't miss out. All they have to do is beat the snot out of New Zealand over two legs.

    NZ have Chris Wood, Winston Reid and a some 'handy' lads… but then just look at the Argentina squad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    It's a bit silly, the hand-wringing over Argentina 'possibly missing out' if they finish in fifth place.

    They won't miss out. All they have to do is beat the snot out of New Zealand over two legs.

    NZ have Chris Wood, Winston Reid and a some 'handy' lads… but then just look at the Argentina squad!
    Hehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    It's a bit silly, the hand-wringing over Argentina 'possibly missing out' if they finish in fifth place.

    They won't miss out. All they have to do is beat the snot out of New Zealand over two legs.

    NZ have Chris Wood, Winston Reid and a some 'handy' lads… but then just look at the Argentina squad!
    I think the danger is they might not even finish 5th in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Hehehe
    Even if it turns out to be Chile, or whoever… NZ will still get a thumping!

    We'd have a chance if it was Paraguay or one like that… but no possibility of that.


    If NZ play 'out of their skins' they could - just - get a draw at home to the Argies… but the away leg? Oh, dear me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordJamieOfCarragher View Post
    I think the danger is they might not even finish 5th in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Even if it turns out to be Chile, or whoever… NZ will still get a thumping!

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    Byebye, NZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordJamieOfCarragher View Post
    I think the danger is they might not even finish 5th in the first place.
    They should be thankful the region has a ridiculous number of places given there are 10 countries innit
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Even if it turns out to be Chile, or whoever… NZ will still get a thumping!
    Crazy that the kiwis haven't followed the aussies into Asia, OFC was pointless enough when it was just them two and some also rans, now it is less so and all they are virtually guaranteed is a play-off against a team they've maybe a 1 in 5 chance of beating on a good day
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    They should be thankful the region has a ridiculous number of places given there are 10 countries innit
    How many should they have then?
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    It'd be hilarious if Syria eliminated Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Star Line View Post
    It'd be hilarious if Syria eliminated Australia.
    Stevo might not care for that.

    (I'd have a quiet chuckle, though)


    First leg 1-1, by the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordJamieOfCarragher View Post
    How many should they have then?
    Open to debate but half the region qualifying is crazy, I'd suggest more incontinent play-offs or the more sensible option of merging with CONCACAF since Mexico and USA are the only credible teams and it makes a bigger region (about 50 or so I think if combined) with a revised structure which would enable them to qualify if they're good enough and maybe improve the overall quality.

    There's been basically Brazil and Argentina plus 1-3 sides in a peak for decades, be they Uruguay, Colombia, Chile, Paraguay (usually one or more of them right up there in the also qualifies in recent years) or someone like Bolivia, Ecuador and I think that's about the size of their qualifiers with Peru out of the picture a long while and Venezuela the only side never to qualify

    With the same old same old qualifying from a small region do you think 5/10 places with one a play-off against much weaker regions is right? Personally I think with the current region structure there should be more play-offs cross continent. That way the limits on how many can qualify from any given region are determined by the quality of the regions, n'est pas...?
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    Group C

    1. Germany P9 PTS 27 - qualified
    2. N.Ireland P9 PTS 19 - play-off contention

    All over in this group after Germany won in Belfast. N.Ireland currently sit 3rd in the play-off table of which only bottom doesn't qualify (currently Wales!) and ranking decides seeding I believe.

    Group D

    1. Poland P9 PTS 22
    2. Denmark P9 PTS 19
    3. Montenegro P9 PTS 16

    Quite tight between 1st and 2nd, and between 2nd and 3rd. Denmark won in Montenegro to edge ahead, Poland won in Armenia and Romania beat Kazahkstan. The last round of games sees Denmark host Romania and Poland host Montenegro, home wins will see Poland qualify and Denmark enter the play-off table (currently 2nd in it) Montenegro can pip Denmark if the danes lose and Montenegro win (GD, goals scored, it's even on 1-0 away wins in their head to head)

    Group F

    1. ENGLAND P9 PTS 23 - qualified
    2. Scotland P9 PTS 17
    3. Slovakia P9 PTS 15
    4. Slovenia P9 PTS 14

    England are through after a late win over Slovenia, Slovenia would need to beat Scotland and hope Slovakia don't win to pip the scots (level on GD with scots) and the scots will need only to match Slovakia's result against Malta in their game away to Slovenia - unless they lose in which case Slovenia will leapfrog them.

    So from last night's qualifying groups Czech Republic and Romania won't be at the World Cup for sure.
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    Tonight's group deciding matches :

    Group D

    Serbia travel to Austria knowing a win would see them qualify. Wales travel to Georgia wanting a win to stave off Rep. Ireland who host Moldova. Austria's slim hopes rest on a win against Serbia and Wales and Rep.Ireland dropping points, with them playing each other in the final round they'd need Wales to lose tonight.

    Group G

    Spain host Albania with Italy hosting Macedonia so only a Spanish win and Italian failure to will see Spain qualify. Albania need to win in Spain and hope Italy lose to have any hope of pinching 2nd.

    Group I

    So tight that only wins for Croatia at home to Finland, and Iceland in Turkey, with unlikely dropped points in Kosovo would see Croatia and Iceland certain of the top two places.
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    CONMEBOL

    1. Brazil - long since qualified
    2. Uruguay - apparently assured of at least the intercontinental play-off

    Chile, Colombia, Peru, Argentina and Paraguay enter the last round of games separated by just two points with the relevant fixtures for the final round below :

    BRA vs CIL
    ECU vs ARG
    PAR vs VEN
    PER vs COL

    Only Chile have beaten Brazil so they'll be hoping to repeat that in Brazil, Ecuador have won 4 out of 8 home games so far with Brazil, Colombia and Peru the three sides to win there.

    Paraguay will be confident of beating Venezuela whose only win was a surprising 5-0 victory over Bolivia matching the thumping the Bolivians got in Brazil as the joint biggest margins of defeat whilst a Colombian win in Peru would see them qualify, Peru if results went their way.

    URU vs BOL has a bearing on the top 5, since Bolivia have lost ALL their away games so far and two by 5-0 margins, you'd think Uruguay should be able to manage at least the point that would see them safely through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    CONMEBOL

    1. Brazil - long since qualified
    2. Uruguay - apparently assured of at least the intercontinental play-off

    Chile, Colombia, Peru, Argentina and Paraguay enter the last round of games separated by just two points with the relevant fixtures for the final round below :

    BRA vs CIL
    ECU vs ARG
    PAR vs VEN
    PER vs COL

    Only Chile have beaten Brazil so they'll be hoping to repeat that in Brazil, Ecuador have won 4 out of 8 home games so far with Brazil, Colombia and Peru the three sides to win there.

    Paraguay will be confident of beating Venezuela whose only win was a surprising 5-0 victory over Bolivia matching the thumping the Bolivians got in Brazil as the joint biggest margins of defeat whilst a Colombian win in Peru would see them qualify, Peru if results went their way.

    URU vs BOL has a bearing on the top 5, since Bolivia have lost ALL their away games so far and two by 5-0 margins, you'd think Uruguay should be able to manage at least the point that would see them safely through.
    Argentina need a result against Ecuador or they are out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Argentina need a result against Ecuador or they are out.
    And Chile might well need a result in Brazil.

    Looking at the last round of fixtures you'd think Bolivia and Venezuela are likely to lose in Uruguay and Paraguay, making the top of the table:
    Brazil 38*
    Uruguay 31
    Paraguay 27
    Chile 26*
    Colombia 26*
    Peru 25*
    Argentina 25* *Last match still to count

    With Colombia and Peru playing each other at least one goes ahead of Chile and, as you said, Argentina have to get a result in Ecuador (who've lost their last 5) - but if they do there's every chance Chile would drop to 6th before counting their result against Brazil. Even a draw might only be enough for the play off spot if Argentina win and Peru/Colombia isn't drawn.

    If Chile lose in Brazil, who's only dropped points at home were a draw vs Uruguay, they could well finish 7th.

    Pretty crazy qualifying campaign all round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    And Chile might well need a result in Brazil.

    Looking at the last round of fixtures you'd think Bolivia and Venezuela are likely to lose to Uruguay and Paraguay, making the top of the table:
    Brazil 38*
    Uruguay 31
    Paraguay 27
    Chile 26*
    Colombia 26*
    Peru 25*
    Argentina 25* *Last match still to count

    With Colombia and Peru playing each other at least one goes ahead of Chile and, as you said, Argentina have to get a result in Ecuador (who've lost their last 5) - but if they do there's every chance Chile would drop to 6th before counting their result against Brazil. Even a draw might only be enough for the play off spot if Argentina and Paraguay win and Peru/Colombia isn't drawn.

    If Chile lose in Brazil, who have only dropped points in one drawn home game vs Uruguay, they could well finish 7th.

    Pretty crazy qualifying campaign all round.
    It's crazy alright, they have so many strong sides, you'd imagine England would barely ever qualify if we were in their group. Our group is laughable in comparison, but then they get more spots so I guess it kind of evens out (but not really, I reckon all 10 would give us a run for our money tbh).

    Crazy to think a team like Peru have scored 10 more goals than Argentina in this group though, with all their attacking talent, in fact only Bolivia have scored fewer. Brazil on the other hand have run away with it and made it look relatively easy, even Paulinho has scored more than Messi.
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